Report: U.S. spied on Americans' intimate conversations abroad!

[ironglow]

Each of us here are working the world wide web...To me that says that none of us are as super sensitive to "privacy' as some pretend to be..Otherwise they would stay completely away from th web.  Just think what that little Obama hireling from Tennesee did to Sarah Palin a couple weeks ago ! .

[powderman]

Not all Americans are really Americans. I don't care how they stop these Godless SOBS, just stop them. Read my emails, listen to my phone calls, I have nothing to hide. The terrorists have no rights, except the right to die. POWDERMAN. 

[nomosendero]

I know if it bothered me to think that someone might hear, or see what I have to say, I'd get the hell out of this country and go somewhere like--uhhh....  I get it though, those nasty ole Big Brothers have taken away our right to gossip and I ain't takin it anymore.  How do ya git one of them there encription thingies?

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Magooch....Do you think the Founders would condone such snooping and violations of citizen's privacy in spirit and in practice...?


...TM
 

Did they use spes in the Military?

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Of course they do. BUT Most US intell budget is spent internally snooping on their own citizens and working on mind control projects and bending reality...like the cooking of intell and owning mass media.  If the government was run correctly in spirit and in deed then most unlikely they would not need to snoop on their citizens, or even foreigners or enemies for that matter. However since they insist on a psychopathic mindset they do.  In times of war ... sure .... operations would require secrecy and an info leg up.  However, this country has been in a state of emergency officially since 1933. Is there ever any hope of returning to normalcy?  Obviously not when psychopaths and pirates are at the helm.  You know my feelings on the W OF Terror,,,totally overplayed and a trumped up cause....no wonder there hasn't been another attack...what a plan! Likely the work of the "truthers" that keep us from another attack as well, and keeping the domestic enemies at bay. Snoopers, spies, and other minds of that ilk hate truth...puts them out of business....bad for business iow.

NS...Do you think the Founders would condone such snooping and violations of citizen's privacy in spirit and in practice...?

...TM7

Yes. If they thought one of there own was working with the enemy they likely would send a spy to find out. That would be listening in on a conversation between the enemy & the traitor, which would be the same AS LONG AS
this is a conversation between a citizen & a terrorist.

Look at the last comment on Heather's post: "as long as one party to the call is a terror suspect."

[magooch]

Well TM, I can't speak for our founders, but they seem to have had pretty good sense, so I'm going with what Powderman said.

[billy_56081]

  TM7 so what is your answer on how you and the others who think ,anything that is on the internet is true crowd, are immune to this "mind control" you were talking about before.

  Please enlighten us? The world awaits your answer TM7!

[billy_56081]

  TM7 so what is your answer on how you and the others who think ,anything that is on the internet is true crowd, are immune to this "mind control" you were talking about before.

  Please enlighten us? The world awaits your answer TM7!

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For myself...Observations and study over 40 years. Discerning Internet only makes it easier to connect the dots and get info out....the info about The Lie has been the same for years and years. 
What is your explanation for why things are like they are...you know, separate from the comfort level afforded you at this time.?


...TM7
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Again I ask what makes you immune to this "mind control" you speak of? Avoiding the question and asking another to me is not an answer.

[nomosendero]

NS...maybe,,,but read what Sourdough posted.  In a Fascist society everybody is listening in on everbody else. Everybody is polarized. Everybody starts distorting the truth and rendering various frameworks about whomever and whatever. Everybody can be found quilty of any number of numerous laws. Everybody is trained to report on everybody else. And so on. Read PM's and Billy's post and you will get the real gist of what the W OF T scare is all about, and that is control...this 'control' is necesary for rulers to push citizens in the direction they want them to go and fear is one of the seven agents of control.

When we subordinate ourselves to the whims of omnipotent governments- -government being nothing more than a security racket in practice- - we abdicate God given rights as proclaimed in our Charter documents. When you easily give up your sacred right of privacy and its relative free speech, you might as well give up your other rights as well; like RTBA. Someday some so-called terrorist will build an arsenal and go about wiping out a bunch of people....the government will say this is a muzzie or extremist of some kind to further scare people, then they will bust several other terrorist armed 'cells' based on information they claimed they got from snooping around...then poof! you can likely kiss your 2nd rights good bye in the name of all things, security.! The securitate state is well under manufacture; who needs a couple thousand motley muzzies to destroy us when certain internal forces are doing a better and faster job.

When we look back over the last seven years and more, and since the flimsy W OF T became a mainstreamed national preoccupation we see that security has become a fulltime protection endeavor- -because 'they' hate us for our freedom and liberties.  Curiously as this security business has developed our Rights, Charters, Economy, Culture, Society, Politrics have undeveloped. In my view this is not a good thing for our COUNTRY, but likely a desired and  good thing for the industry of the government/elites....one reason the McCain/Obama ticket are bad for the Country, but good for the status quo of the government.

...TM7

Yes, maybe indeed. You started with a false premise. Everybody is not listening in on everybody else, I am proof of that, Im not in trouble! 

[ironglow]

   It is common knowledge that there are terrorist states working with the Islamofacists. Iran, ..possibly Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, North Korea and some here insist that Saudi Arabia is..
   Now suppose the USA plays the gullible gentleman that some here desire and lets all this important intel pass us by..Do you really believe
 that the terror supporting countries would follow our "route of gullibility " and quite gathering intel from the web?

[ironglow]

  How many people out there can recall the old phone company's "party line"? Back then, most of us had sense enough NOT to discuss anything of a personal, private nature on the line....tyhe internet(and the phone) are not SECURE communication mediums....Duh !

  TM;
 You think I am exaggerating  ? Guys, do you agree with TM; that states like Russia, Iran and North Korea would not spy on us..in any way they can ?

   

[billy_56081]

  Again TM7 you avoid the question. If it is "m ind control" no matter what course of study or how much you want to enlighten your mind to has nothing to do with you "immunity " to this "mind control".

  Again I ask you TM7 to share how only you and your fellow "if its posted on the internet it has to be true friends" are the only ones immune to this mind control while the rest of us lowley minions are slaves to it?

[powderman]

IG. Of course they would spy on us, I'm sure they are now. Hard telling how much info klinton gave the commies, russia, and china, probably others as well. POWDERMAN. 

[nomosendero]

NS...you're trying to minmize my point, but history proves I'm correct about the tendacies and reality of fascistic societies.  You know what I'm talking about.

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56081...I never said I was immune, just maybe tricked and lied too much to buy into what the mainstream is selling. You can if you want...I don't care much.  For me the road has taken a different turn and view given 40 years of study. Hoka hey...!

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IG...I think you're exaggerating again. If these conspirators exist then it indicates we are doing something wrong. The danger within far exeeds the danger without.

...TM7

No, I am pointing out a false premise. Again, one party HAS to be a terror suspect as Heather stated. If not, give examples.

[Heather]

NS...you're trying to minmize my point, but history proves I'm correct about the tendacies and reality of fascistic societies.  You know what I'm talking about.

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56081...I never said I was immune, just maybe tricked and lied too much to buy into what the mainstream is selling. You can if you want...I don't care much.  For me the road has taken a different turn and view given 40 years of study. Hoka hey...!

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IG...I think you're exaggerating again. If these conspirators exist then it indicates we are doing something wrong. The danger within far exeeds the danger without.

...TM7

No, I am pointing out a false premise. Again, one party HAS to be a terror suspect as Heather stated. If not, give examples.

Ya mean as CNN stated?

Heather

[billy_56081]

TM7 we all still wanna know how they are controlling our minds and not ours? Come on tell us all how your are defending yourself against this "mind control" you talk about.

[powderman]

TM7 we all still wanna know how they are controlling our minds and not ours? Come on tell us all how your are defending yourself against this "mind control" you talk about.

BILLY. HEH, not hard to figure that one out. Bet theres no tinfoil within MILES of tms home, whatever country that is. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  TM asks;
   "Who cares if they (the terrorist states) are spying on us" ? ...Yet he seems to think it is an egregious wrong if the US listens to known terrorist connectiuons as a defensive measure. That sounds like a conclusion Hesbollah and Hamas would like many of us to arrive at !
   I don't know if you spent any time in the military..especially in combat arms and special ops, but one key measure is "know your enemy" . Military intelligence has been a key area of any nation's defense; I can't believe that there is anyone here who doesn't understand that !      
 
   TM would like me to read a definition of paranoia as provided by someone called Shaggy..don't know any Shaggy TM..hope he doesn't
wear a head rag also..

  TM;
    You also accuse Billy of being pledged to "satan"..From our posts, I believe Billy, Powderman and others here as well as myself..are pledged to Jesus Christ. Since you appear to be calling Jesus Christ "satan"..pray tell us then ..to whom are YOU pledged ?

    BTW: By using that term in any reference to Jesus, you should understand that some day you WILL be called to explain yourself. A word...to the wise, would be sufficent !

[SHOOTALL]

What would one be saying on the phone that one would not wish heard ? phone sex , illegal stuff , stuff ya ought not be doing ?

[ironglow]

  TM;
   I'll do you a favor..and ignore all that "crypto-conspiracy" stuff you are spouting...

  Although I don't agree with you..I grudgingly admit I am amazed at your continuing defense of the indefensible..Islamic terrorists and their client states...

[ironglow]

 

[rex6666]

Man i do wish that Hospital tm is LOCKED up in would find something
else for him to play with.
If i was dead set against this country and its gov. as some folks i believe i would move
some where more appealing, i am sure their are lots of countries that would
love to have American Gov. haters.

[Heather]

Man i do wish that Hospital tm is LOCKED up in would find something
else for him to play with.
If i was dead set against this country and its gov. as some folks i believe i would move
some where more appealing, i am sure their are lots of countries that would
love to have American Gov. haters.

Questioning and finding fault in your government and doing what you can to correct the wrongs does not mean you HATE America.  IMO it means you LOVE America.  Without love there would be no reason to care.  I love my country and want to see it do BETTER.

Heather

[rex6666]

Man i do wish that Hospital tm is LOCKED up in would find something
else for him to play with.
If i was dead set against this country and its gov. as some folks i believe i would move
some where more appealing, i am sure their are lots of countries that would
love to have American Gov. haters.

Questioning and finding fault in your government and doing what you can to correct the wrongs does not mean you HATE America.  IMO it means you LOVE America.  Without love there would be no reason to care.  I love my country and want to see it do BETTER.

Heather

Yes i can see that love of country is well manafested in your qoutes
you mean wrong in your eyes and nothing else matters.

[Sourdough]

  Every conversation here in the good old US of A is subject to being monitored by any country that wants to.  The equipment is readily available, all it takes is someone to put it together.  And I will bet there is a lot that do, and if you think they are going to ask permission you are crazy.  Only our Government has to do that.  Ever hear of industrial espionage, that is big business.  Who knows what a worker might say to his wife or his girl friend over the phone.  Military espionage, listening to the phone again, hoping some soldier might give away some information.  Or some Mom might say something about where her military son or daughter is being sent.  Some Nissan engineer might talk to someone and give away a secret that they are putting a certain engine in next years model.  Toyota and Honda will pay big bucks for that info.

What I'm saying folks is "GET OVER IT"!  Your conversations are being listened to already, and not by the government.  And, there is not ANYTHING you can do about it.

[powderman]

tm. Yes, your views are abundantly clear. You hate Jews, Israel, America, President Bush, Christians, and stand up for every Godless terrorist group in the world. Wish we had an ignore feature, you'd be my first. POWDERMAN. 

[gypsyman]

Heather and TM, considering todays world, emailing, cell phone's, if either of you have a better way of securing the safety of this country, by not listening in, or monitoring cumunications from abroad, I would suggest contacting your congressman/woman, and telling them. You could make alot of money, by coming up with a better idea. gypsyman

[ironglow]

 Gypsyman;
  Do you mean like, " Don't curse the darkness, if you're not willing to light a candle" ?   

[billy_56081]

TM7 I'm still waiting for what you do to keep the "mind control" from controlling your mind also?


Come on TM7 we all wanna know the secret so the Governmant can't use their mind control on us too.

[slim rem 7]

how many jihad attacks have been stopped by this practice .. we are in war .. is that just too hard to understand.. the enemy says we are ..
 so im gonna take his word for it and make war on him,if an when i can.. before he puts me in his crosshairs ..dang sometimes i think we americans just a tad thick headed
 the enemy thinks we the dumbest thing in existence .. to dum to allow to live.. do we somehow or the other just not get it..

[Swampman]

tm. Yes, your views are abundantly clear. You hate Jews, Israel, America, President Bush, Christians, and stand up for every Godless terrorist group in the world. Wish we had an ignore feature, you'd be my first. POWDERMAN. 

Mega Dittos!

[powderman]

BILLY. Dang it son ya just buy enough tinfoil to make a huge hat, uhhhhhh, if tm hasn't cornered the market. POWDERMAN.