Report: U.S. spied on Americans' intimate conversations abroad!

[nomosendero]

Man i do wish that Hospital tm is LOCKED up in would find something
else for him to play with.
If i was dead set against this country and its gov. as some folks i believe i would move
some where more appealing, i am sure their are lots of countries that would
love to have American Gov. haters.

Questioning and finding fault in your government and doing what you can to correct the wrongs does not mean you HATE America.  IMO it means you LOVE America.  Without love there would be no reason to care.  I love my country and want to see it do BETTER.

Heather

It can be that way but it depends on the questions asked & whether you have love for opposing groups & what their view of America is. Considering the context Rex was refering to it might make sense if you go back and do some reading.

[billy_56081]

TM7 I am still waiting for an answer on how you are not effected by the governments "mind control". Are you afraid to answer? Are you ashamed? What is it? Is it really a tinfoil hat? If so how do you deal with the grounding of it at all times especially if you are in a car? I would imagine you are using it as some sort of faraday cage if in fact you do wrap your head in tinfoil.

The world awaits your answer TM7. Are you afraid to answer or are you caught in a corner where you can't fancy talk your way out of?

[SHOOTALL]

TM-7 now the GOVT. knows as much about me as VISA and the cell phone co. and the smart tag folks .

[rex6666]

you guys need to take it a little easier on tm, he may come to his senses
and wake up in the real world, if they ever let him out of that hospital.
where is that moon GGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR oh it is day light

[Heather]

Man i do wish that Hospital tm is LOCKED up in would find something
else for him to play with.
If i was dead set against this country and its gov. as some folks i believe i would move
some where more appealing, i am sure their are lots of countries that would
love to have American Gov. haters.

Questioning and finding fault in your government and doing what you can to correct the wrongs does not mean you HATE America.  IMO it means you LOVE America.  Without love there would be no reason to care.  I love my country and want to see it do BETTER.

Heather

It can be that way but it depends on the questions asked & whether you have love for opposing groups & what their view of America is. Considering the context Rex was refering to it might make sense if you go back and do some reading.

And just what is it you would have me read?  I have read much posted by TM.  He seems to be the kind of guy who strives to stay informed.  He doesn't buy into the media and what they want us to know.  He does research above and beyond, and just because sometimes the answers he finds are controversial, at least they are closer to the truth.  TM correct me if I am wrong, but the way I see it you seek to find the truth no matter who it points the finger at.  Yeah he seems a little crazy sometimes, but you sir are the one that would benefit from some more reading. 




REX
You can see my eyes, or was that just some stab I don't understand?  Please specify what you meant!

Heather

[Swampman]

I would hardly call a cut and paste from a tinfoil hat website "research."

[Heather]

I would hardly call a cut and paste from a tinfoil hat website "research."

Swampy I find it VERY disappointing and out of character for you to make fun of a United States Government website.   Since when did the United States Patent and Trademark Office become tin foil worthy?

Heather

[billy_56081]

Now TM7 once again you avoid the question. You show that thier are patents on "mind control" devices. If these are being used against us why are you not effected the same as the rest of us?

It is a simple question TM7 are you afraid to answer it?

[nomosendero]

Man i do wish that Hospital tm is LOCKED up in would find something
else for him to play with.
If i was dead set against this country and its gov. as some folks i believe i would move
some where more appealing, i am sure their are lots of countries that would
love to have American Gov. haters.

Questioning and finding fault in your government and doing what you can to correct the wrongs does not mean you HATE America.  IMO it means you LOVE America.  Without love there would be no reason to care.  I love my country and want to see it do BETTER.

Heather

It can be that way but it depends on the questions asked & whether you have love for opposing groups & what their view of America is. Considering the context Rex was refering to it might make sense if you go back and do some reading.

And just what is it you would have me read?  I have read much posted by TM.  He seems to be the kind of guy who strives to stay informed.  He doesn't buy into the media and what they want us to know.  He does research above and beyond, and just because sometimes the answers he finds are controversial, at least they are closer to the truth.  TM correct me if I am wrong, but the way I see it you seek to find the truth no matter who it points the finger at.  Yeah he seems a little crazy sometimes, but you sir are the one that would benefit from some more reading. 




REX
You can see my eyes, or was that just some stab I don't understand?  Please specify what you meant!

Heather

Nice try, but I have read TM about enough & some conspiracy stuff happens, but Heather if you want to buy into
his ideas as to who blew up the World Trade Center, fine. Next week he may tell us that Pee Wee Hermin was the boss
of it all. I agree with some of what he says, but some is as you say controversial & some is crazy.
Instead of bowing up over my comment to you, you could have thought about it first. I did not try to influence the way you think, but rather indicated to you why some may feel the way they do & some of us just can't hate Jews &
dislike America & believe everything has a twisted plot. I did not say you were not informed in general or any of the sort. I did hint in the best way I could that by reading his posts you might understand the feeling. You said you "have read much posted by TM". That means there is some you havn't read & may not even know what I am refering to. I
do need to do more reading, but I can end up just as wise without reading TM, it is just entertainment to me. I do wish that I had as much time to play on the computer as T Mus, but if I did I would hunt more I believe.
So, it was not personal, only telling you there are other views & there might be a reason.

[Swampman]

I would hardly call a cut and paste from a tinfoil hat website "research."

Swampy I find it VERY disappointing and out of character for you to make fun of a United States Government website.   Since when did the United States Patent and Trademark Office become tin foil worthy?

Heather

Mostly he quotes his favorite Neo-Nazi & Skin Head sites, not to mention the X-Files.

[Swampman]

How is being a Nazi, & being married to a Jewish woman working for you?

That seems like it would be tough.

[nomosendero]

When confronted with cogent and intelligent argument and factual information they disagree (i.e. challenge to their rational scheme of things) and at the level these guys operate at, they will ALWAYS fall back on ad hominens and personal attacks...always when logic and facts fail them.  Thier favorite is the anti-semite canard. Now I'm married to a jewish women, traveled to Israel, have some dear jewish friends....and even they can separate zionism from real judaism. These guys can/will not because it is their anchor in a bizarro world of terrorism, hate muzzie, pre-emptive strikes, protection of the 911 perps, oil grabbing, mythic cosmology, secutitate statism, empire hegemony, privacy grabbing, and so on.  Now there is some mind control for ya...curiously even when you quote jewish scholars, recent jewish research and so on...if it violates their programmed concept of Judaism/Israel then you/the authors are subject to personal attack.  What Mao or Stalin could have done with such subjects....

...TM7

Yes indeed, he would kill us & spare you I suppose. And yes, we have read about your Wife & "some of my best friends are Jews" stuff, but have also read your other statements as well & yea the tired Zionist routine as well. Now, I need to go to work, I just don't have the time you do, by now.

[no guns here]

Well, yes, we can and do "listen" (most is done by computer now) to various conversations throughout the world.  Almost all is direct against non-US persons.  There is a VERY specific definition of what a US person is.  Also, yes, we can legally intercept calls to or from the US if one of the parties is a suspected terrorist.  Now for the bummer part.  It is VERY difficult to actually CATCH the conversation and do anything with it in real time.  This DOESN'T happen automatically via computer.  This requires an operator or two to actually have authority to target a person for intercept as well as to actually be listening in at the right time.

While we can "listen-in" to a large amount of the electronic spectrum in some parts of the world we can't do it world wide and we can't do it nation-wide in the US.  We pick selected parts of the world, selected freqs and then we suck that into the system.  Even a sub-set like this generates HUGE amounts of data.  There is so much data that we automate our "listening" to search for patterns we are interested in.  Even by filtering out data way we still collect multiple tens of terabytes per day.  It's just too much.  We don't have the computing power to do it all.

If a person in a targeted country uses his cell phone to talk to his buddy and mentions the right combination of words then it MIGHT POSSIBLY be captured and then analyzed and then someday searched on by a human.  It might also be part of the "overhead" that gets dumped and is never noted anywhere.  If a person in a non-targeted country does the same then it's almost a guarantee that it will never be captured.

If a targeted person in a targeted country does the same thing and we have authority to collect on him then it's a very good probability that we will collect on him and that actionable intelligence will eventually be compiled on him.

It's great for an E4 analyst to get a picture from the SEALs with their feet on a dead bad guys chest that just says "thanks...".  Seen it happen a few times.

Give up on Echelon, it's not the be all and end all system that it has been played up as in the movies and press.


ngh

[Singleshotsam]

You gotta remember, Swampman does not have to research, as everything that comes out of his mouth is fact...  If only we could cut and paste that...

[rex6666]

Heather "in your eyes" refers to the way you see things


I have a question for Heather and tm. After reading many of your post.
IS THEIR ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS COUNTRY?
you both continually post only the bad as you see it.

[45-70.gov]

TM7    as  much  as you  type   and  bash  america how  do  you  find  time  to  shoot?

do  you  shoot  in  america?
do  you even  own  a gun?
who  protcts  that  right?......obama  and  the democrats

[ironglow]

  I agree Rex..

  I think it is time for TM and Heather to show their red,white and blue colors, and tell us eight or ten solid things that are good about the United States..here's their chance...

[billy_56081]

TM7 I see you still have not answered how you are keeping the Government from using there "mind control" devices on you?

Come on TM7 we are waiting for your answer so we can protect ourselves and see things as clearly as you!

[powderman]

I doubt tm even owns a gun, let alone ever used one. I still don't believe his wife is Jewish either. If she were Jewish she would cut his throat in his sleep. POWDERMAN. 

[nomosendero]

When confronted with cogent and intelligent argument and factual information they disagree (i.e. challenge to their rational scheme of things) and at the level these guys operate at, they will ALWAYS fall back on ad hominens and personal attacks...always when logic and facts fail them.  Thier favorite is the anti-semite canard. Now I'm married to a jewish women, traveled to Israel, have some dear jewish friends....and even they can separate zionism from real judaism. These guys can/will not because it is their anchor in a bizarro world of terrorism, hate muzzie, pre-emptive strikes, protection of the 911 perps, oil grabbing, mythic cosmology, secutitate statism, empire hegemony, privacy grabbing, and so on.  Now there is some mind control for ya...curiously even when you quote jewish scholars, recent jewish research and so on...if it violates their programmed concept of Judaism/Israel then you/the authors are subject to personal attack.  What Mao or Stalin could have done with such subjects....

...TM7

Yes indeed, he would kill us & spare you I suppose. And yes, we have read about your Wife & "some of my best friends are Jews" stuff, but have also read your other statements as well & yea the tired Zionist routine as well. Now, I need to go to work, I just don't have the time you do, by now.

.
Too bad you don't have time...   Work hard and maybe you can retire like  I have done..  You make a bold accusation above about other stuff you have read from me....too bad you don't have time to back it up.....right!?   


...TM7

I should be able to retire when or if I get older, Lord willing, it's looking good at this point, although the future could bring many things. I brought up that statement hoping you would tell how you have so much time for all those long posts, now I know.   BTW, I am glad you were able to do so. I would hope at retirement I will be able financially & physically to do the things I enjoy outdoors instead of pecking on a keyboard all day, nothing wrong with it, I just have better things to do, & those things cost more than a keyboard & to each his own, but it's a good reason to be in God's Country & I definately am. 

As far as bold accusations, nothing bold about it, we already know these things & even you would not have time to bring it all up again & if you did, no one would read all of it anyway. If you don't remember your conspiracy theories
concerning the twin towers for example, maybe you won't bring it up again so why would I re-introduce the same stuff,
you could not resist commenting on every post. 
Good evening

[billy_56081]

Once again TM7 you avoid answering the question. YOU are the one who claims that "mind control" devices are being used on us in Amaerica. All I want to know is how YOU are not effected by these devices and we are?


Come on TM7 we await your answer! Are you really that afraid to tell us?


And As you say, "truth fears no investigation." I am investigating how you are not effected by these so called "mind control" devices and we are. SO whats your fear in answering my question?

[billy_56081]

So TM7 is there no truth in your talk of this so called "mind control"? You parse words link up patents but at all time you avoid the question.


Once again what do you do that keeps these "mind control" patents from controlling your mind? Come on TM7 tell us all so we can all be as uneffected and enlightened as you are.

You are the one who said " the truth fears no investigation". Do not acuse me of being a trouble maker for my simple investigation you are the one who refuses to answer the qustion.

[SHOOTALL]

Is it just me or do others feel some posters indulge in wacky tobacky ?

[powderman]

Is it just me or do others feel some posters indulge in wacky tobacky ?

YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[Swampman]

I used to be the Safety Manager for a large military contractor.  One day as I was coming in the door, a lady asked me what I was going to do about the jet trails.  She had noticed while sitting at our outdoor break area that there were a lot more jet trails on Wednesdays.  She explained that they were spraying stuff into the air to control our minds, and she wanted to know what I was going to do about it.  I told her I was looking into it, and that I would get back to her.  If you check out the sites TM7 quotes, you can find out all about mind control spraying via jet trails.

[billy_56081]

Well TM7 did recommend to me once that, I have  a smoke and relax. I'm quite sure he wasn't refering to tobacco.


Well come on TM7 you are the one who says that the Government is using "mind control" on us and being as you are one of the few enightened and uneffected amongst us poor lowly minion here at Greybeard outdoors, why don't you share with us your method to avoid this "mind control" flim flam from being used on us. As you said and I am using YOUR words, "the truth fears no investigation". Tell us the truth, or are you lying and making this up?


Well!

[nomosendero]

Since you mention me, what lies Muzzie?

[Heather]

Since you mention me, what lies Muzzie?

Who are you referring to???

Heather

[Matt]

Once again what do you do that keeps these "mind control" patents from controlling your mind? Come on TM7 tell us all so we can all be as uneffected and enlightened as you are.

This crap is getting old billy… You should read some books on marketing and see how well mind control, thought control and impulse control can be implemented and are. The answer to your question of “what do you do” lets see… DUE DILIGENCE!!!! You were blabbing in another thread about the stock market so you have got to know what the term due diligence means that is unless you’re an idiot… financially speaking of course. So use the same due diligence that you would before making a market transaction in anything that could cause or have an adverse effect on or in your life.  I have met many a man with the same mindset as you and have stood toe to toe arguing my point and several times to no avail. Bottom line is until you decide to take off the beer goggles and see those in charge for what they are you will most indubitably continue to play follow the leader and no doubt with a smile on your face. If ever you get tired of playing and decide to think for yourself you might be able to understand the real world.

So now enough of the BS

You are the one who said " the truth fears no investigation". Do not acuse me of being a trouble maker for my simple investigation you are the one who refuses to answer the qustion.

If you would look for the truth you could find it but you seem to think that it should be given to you… you sure you’re not a closet democrat…


Matt

[billy_56081]

Obviously the truth does fear investigation.


And no Matt I am not a baby killer.


Has TM7 became afraid to speak for himself?