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Offline coyotejoe

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A double-gun bargain
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:11:16 AM »
In these days of the declining dollar it is hard to find a bargain but in the recent flyer from Century Arms I came across the Zastava side by sides. I've gotten some real stinkers in the past and so was a bit hesitant but figured at the price they were asking if the gun was just safe to fire I could cut it down to a 20" coach gun and palm it off on a Cowboy. ;D
 When the gun arrived I was rather pleasantly surprised and after a good degreasing in a pail of paint thinner I was even more pleased. No cutting of this one, it is a fine upland bird gun as is. They had 12 and 16 gauge guns but I chose the 16 because it was nearly a pound lighter and forty bucks cheaper. Mine scales 6 5/8 pounds and cost me $147.85 delivered, that's shipping and all. Now I am an FFL holder so if you order one through your local dealer do not begrudge him a fair commission, it will still be a bargain. These days the El Cheapo Stevens 311 is going for twice as much and isn't half the gun.
  The Zastava is made in the former Yugoslavia and bears the stamp of Century Arms International. The bottom of the receiver is deeply stamped "C.I.A. Georgia, Vt." and a second line reads "Zastava Serbia M75 16 GA". Since Century imports military hardware I don't know how these sporting guns came into their inventory. Perhaps border guards, security guards, police or forest rangers? Confiscated civilian guns?
  Any how, it was described as "good" condition and I think that is fair. The gun has been reblued at some point and has picked up a bit of rust since then. The wood is scratched, dented and oil stained but sound. The double underlugs and top bite lock up like a vault and the bores are spotless and mirror bright. I don't care much for the forend shape, rather boxy, but it is well secured with a proper latch. Under the forend the barrels are stamped "POLA CHOKE" on the right and "PUN CHOKE" left. I have no idea what those words mean nor even what language it might be but measurement reveals .026" constriction in the right tube and .036" left, which corresponds to the standard modified and full chokes in the 27 1/2" barrels. The sling swivels and raised cheek piece are nice European touches.
  The 16 gauge may be an odd bird these days but for upland hunting a 16 will do all I need, besides, it was lighter and cheaper. The ammo is not so common as is 12 and 20 gauge but still one can find anything they may need, albeit with a bit of searching. I picked up one box each of Federal one ounce loads in number 6 and 7 1/2 shot, one box of Fiocchi 1 1/8 ounce number 6 and two five packs of Federal slugs and two of Federal buck. I haven't had a chance to pattern any loads but those shiny bores and tight chokes promise some useful shooting even on distant pheasant.
 If, like me, you admire the plain jane working side by side double trigger double gun I think you'll agree the Zastava is a real bargain. Get the 16, it's lighter and cheaper.
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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 07:55:47 AM »
I see somebody new at the range once every other week or so with a SxS and I honestly can't recall a case where the gun fit him. Invariably they shoot the gun badly. I've handled a few SxS's and the golden rule of shotguns definitely applies to them too: Only buy a gun that fits reasonably well. I think a lot of guys are buying SxS's but disregarding that rule.
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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 01:24:55 PM »
I guess I don't see why you think a side by side would fit a specific shooter any less well than would an over & under, pump, auto or singleshot?
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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 02:31:37 PM »
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I guess I don't see why you think a side by side would fit a specific shooter any less well than would an over & under, pump, auto or singleshot?

Was kind of wondering about that myself.   ::)
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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 02:45:41 AM »
They just don't stock them the same and the older ones especially are stocked with truly horrible dimensions. Even when drop dimensions are the same for some reason I shoot far worse with a SxS than with an O/U.


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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 04:12:49 AM »
It's very common to for me to see a SxS with the stock that's been modified or had a special recoil pad or comb pad added in an apparent attempt to make it fit better. The last one I saw, about a week ago, had about 2.5 inches of wood added to the butt. The poor guy shot about 3 out of 25 at skeet with it. 

I've seen a couple of guys use the "coach" style guns to shoot a round of trap. I watched one guy miss all 25 targets. I didnt' think it was possible to miss them all.

I'm all for the SxS guns, but caveat emptor on the gun fit.

There seems to be a coincident flurry of interest in gun fitting today that didn't exist a few years ago. I wonder if it's related to the popularity of SxS's.
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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 05:02:04 AM »
Shooting trap with a coach gun I'd not expect to break any targets but that also does not mean I "missed" them. Cylinder bore patterns are just too sparce to put any pellets on that slim profile of a clay bird at trap ranges. He may have done better at skeet. I once tried a round of trap with a '97 Winchester riot gun. I think I did break a bird or two with #8 trap loads, but I sure never powdered any! ;D
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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 11:42:25 AM »
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They just don't stock them the same


AMEN  Not only the older guns either. I've seen a few new Baikals that could pass for hockey sticks.
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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 02:31:01 PM »
I have never been much good with a shotgun except with a 12ga 3" using #4 buck.
A lot of ground hogs and foxes have passed on due to this combination.
I did take a WIN 101 light weight pigeon grade choked skeet & skeet, UNFITTED TO ME, to a skeet shoot once.
Mind you I have never shot skeet or trap before.
After a quick run down of the course I was able to break three the first round.(NO SWING THROUGH)
The second round was seven.
The third was nine, and the last round was fourteen, with a dusting of the crossing doubles at the last station.
I often wondered what I could do with a gun that was properly fitted.
I have heard that it makes a world of difference.


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Re: A double-gun bargain
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 02:56:05 PM »
I was shooting  skeet one day and a guy in my group was shooting a CZ Bob White 28" 20g SXS. He let me shoot a round with it and I hit 23 clays. The long and short of it is I bought it from him for $500 and love it for hunting and occasional skeet. The gun is a natural fit for me whether shooting high or low gun.