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LETS DISCUSS SETTING UP DIES FOR A ENCORE RIFLE
« on: October 12, 2008, 09:16:07 AM »
I have read several INDIVIDUALS adjust their dies to form the brass for their Encore. How do you do That??????

Do you make some kinda of Casting of the actual chamber?????

Perhaps you could briefly list the step you do in setting up your dies for reloading?????

I am sure others would appreciate this very basic bit of information as well as myself.


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Re: LETS DISCUSS SETTING UP DIES FOR A ENCORE RIFLE
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 11:37:41 AM »
You are using the full length sizer for this.

The case(s) must be fire formed to your chamber.

You start with the sizing die set too long (high) by 1 full turn. You do this by setting your die normally with the ram and case holder against the die when the ram is all the way up and backing the die off by 1 full turn.

Lube your cases as you normally would

Run a case into the sizing die. Turn the sizing die down until it touches the case shoulder; you do this by feel. Some dies have flats cut in them (Lee) to ease turning the die. Some are knurled to do this with (Redding and RCBS are two examples) If you are having difficulty turning your die and feeling the shoulder, just keep moving the die down little by little until you bump the shoulder back. Use the method below to check your head space. If you over did it, back off your die a little and start with a different case.

Back down your ram and give your die 1/32 of a turn and run your case back into the die. This should be about right, but if you are getting a lot of case stretch, you may have to turn it a little more; bumping the shoulder back a little more. If you are adjusting and turning check the head space each time after making an adjustment.

Now check your case in the chamber, it should just fit. I mean it should be flush with the chamber mouth or just a .001" or .002" below  in a break open gun. If the extractor is holding up the case, it should be removed during this adjustment period. If it does not hold up the case any, then it can be left in. If for some reason it does not have the proper head space adjust the die up or down 1/32 of a turn until you do have proper head space; using a different case if you went to far. If you do not have a depth gauge, use a straight edge across the chamber mouth and then feeler gauges between the case head and the straight edge to find out how much head space you have. Just make sure the case head is not above the chamber mouth. A human head hair is around .002" - .003" thick (no jokes about color or where ;D) 20 pound paper is around .004" thick. If you do not have feeler gauges, use a human hair and 20 pound paper. The hair should pull out from under the straight edge and the paper should not. You should not be below .003" for a good fit. It makes it easier to do this case fitting if the barrel is removed from the frame.

Lock every thing down so the next time you will have already properly set up for your cases for your chamber; remember it will be set for this one chamber only.

This can be used for any gun you want to just bump the shoulder back for a custom head spacing every time you reload. Usually with bolt actions, you do not have to do this every time, only once every third or fourth time ( it depends on how hot your loads are). In single break open guns, you may find you need to do this every time the case is reloaded.

After you are satisfied yu have the die all set, run another case in to verify your setting by checking head space again.

It sounds more complicated than it really is, just make your adjustments little by little and check after each adjustment. Good Luck and Good Shooting  :D
 
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Re: LETS DISCUSS SETTING UP DIES FOR A ENCORE RIFLE
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 05:06:56 PM »
Thank you LAOTTO,

Your method worked great. Maybe we can have the moderator Pin this at the top for others to refer to. I know many want accurate encores and don't know how to get their.

One extra tip I tried: I smoked the shoulder and neck of the fired brass with candle soot smoke this allowed me to see where I was was at on the brass while I adjusted and fine tuned the Die downward. Worked great.


Soon I will try at the range and see for sure what We get. again thanks



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Re: LETS DISCUSS SETTING UP DIES FOR A ENCORE RIFLE
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 12:37:12 AM »
Forester makes dies that bump the shoulder back and size the neck. They are special made to bump the shoulder and do not size the body at all. It makes setting the head space much easier than adjusting the full length sizing dies and you can adjust neck tension with different neck bushings. Here is a list of the ones that are available. They are really nice for single shot break open guns if you have a case that is listed below.

Ordering Chart For Forster Precision Plus™ Dies

CALIBER    
BUSHING BUMP KIT w/ 3 pre-selected bushings*
   Bushing Bump Die Only
204 Ruger    
223 Rem    
223 WSSM
22-250    
243 Win    
243 WSSM
6 x 47 Lapua
6mm BR    
6mm PPC    
25 WSSM    
6.5 - 284    
6.5 - 55 Swede    
270 Win    
7mm Rem Mag    
300 WSM    
308 Win    
30-06    
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Re: LETS DISCUSS SETTING UP DIES FOR A ENCORE RIFLE
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 01:47:12 PM »
Redding also makes shellholder sets with increases of .002 increments, so that you don't have to re-adjust your die.  gypsyman
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