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Offline tjbailey1967

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1913 erfurt mauser
« on: October 14, 2008, 09:22:29 AM »
well guys, i have a 1913 erfurt mauser its 8mm, 7.92 was stampted on the upper reciever.
my question is is this a small ring or large ring? even though the barrel is in good shape i
want to re-barrel it to something else. when i got the gun it didnt have a bolt so i boought a
98 complete bolt and it fits and works fine. but i have read some information that suggest that
it is a 98a small ring. hence the confusion.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: 1913 erfurt mauser
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 03:15:53 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, and I very well may be, all Erfurts were 98 large rings.  A picture would help.  Why don't you just measure it?  I don't have the diameters committed to memory anymore, but Google is your friend!   ;D
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Re: 1913 erfurt mauser
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 10:02:12 PM »
Erfurt did make small ring '98a, called carbines, even though they had a 24" barrel ( straight taper, no "steps" ); not be confused with earlier carbines with short 18" or so barrels.
Easiest way is to look at the left reciever wall ( next to magazine ). If it is the same diameter as the reciever ring ( where the barrel screws in ), then it is the small ring.
If the diameter of the reciever ring is larger then the reciever wall, then it is a large ring. The difference in diameter is quite noticable.
FWIW, I have mixed feeling about the strength of the small ring '98's. On one hand, in the Frank DeHass book ( bolt action rifles ) he states that the small ring '98s are best suited for lower pressure rounds then the '06 or the full-house loads of the 8X57.
On the other hand, the much-sought, fabled G33-40 ( along with the Czeck version, before Nazi's invaded ) was a small ring '98, and they are used as the basis for very high-end custom rifles, in typically '06. 270, etc.
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Re: 1913 erfurt mauser
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 03:07:51 AM »
Key things to look for were already mentioned (step down from ring area and non stepped barrel. Also look for the "Kar 98" marking on the left side receiver wall. These are often mistaken for the large ring 98k, but they weren't put out until 1935. Sounds like you have a 98a. I had one (1912 Danzig) rebarreled in 270 win, so I don't think stregth will be an issue as long as you use an experienced gunsmith. One bit of advice, take it from me - get the lugs lapped and bolt and receiver faces squared up when you get it rebarreled. Good luck
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Re: 1913 erfurt mauser
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 04:37:14 PM »
I think your right. on the left side of the receiver it looks to me to have kax 98. right now it is chambered in
8mm mauser. so i would think it would handle the pressure on 220 swift. what do you think?
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Re: 1913 erfurt mauser
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 12:07:31 PM »
I would suggest checking with a decent gunsmith first to be sure.
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