Your 3rd party vote....

[nw_hunter]

We can sit here and bicker all we want, but fact is Obama won and we lost! We includes everyone here except the few who supported Obama.

Right before the election, I believe it was O Riley on the radio was speaking of a study that true conservatism will only garner a vote of about 30%. Well then like it or not a candidate that is more towards the middle of the road whether we like that or not.  Like it or not we all have to compromise. As much as you loved him Ron Paul was not on the ballot, we had one poster here that was all drooling over Mc Cain after he chose Sarah Palin for VP, and then went on to blast and insult anyone who voted Mc Cain Palin. Folks like them are the kind that do not build trust, they are dividers. Well as I said before we all lost, Obama won, you all can sit and cry over spilt milk or you can attempt to form up a coalition from this loss and begin to fight back.

You just don't get it!...............We lost when OB, and JM were selected to misrepresent our country.
They are the same. They work for the same people, and that is not the American taxpayer!

And by the way! Ron Paul was on the ballot (The primary one) and the conservatives let him down and chose the so called lesser of two evils to lead, guide and protect, and he lost because TRUE conservatives couldn't bring themselves to vote for the fool!

Perhaps if nothing else good comes from this joke of an election, it could be a wake up call to elect some true conservatives, instead of RINO'S like McCain. JMHO

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NW

BO   and  JM  are  not  the same  but  are  TOO  close  to suit me

Democrats  are  now in power....a RINO  is not as bad as  a true democrat

like  you say  i hope  this is a real  wake up  call  that we  had  such  poor choices

it was a wake up call   for me  to  dump  my old party
and  try  to help  reform   the Republican party

the Democrats have  the media  and  the education system
the Republicans have  Fox news  and talk radio
name  one  other party  that  is even  close
don't  tell  me  about  a better party  that's  not what  i  ask  you to name

right  or  wrong  is  irrelevant
the  Indians  were  right  the cowboys were  wrong
the Mayans  were right  the  Spanish  were  wrong
the  Europeans  were  wrong for buying slaves and bringing them  here
Hitler was wrong  to kill  those Jews

right  or  wrong  is  irrelevant
winning  is all  that  mattered  then  and  now
and  in  the above examples  the dominant  force/winners  were  the best  armed
the democrats will be  more quick to disarm  us  all  and leave  us vulnerable

YOU  ARE  RIGHT  THO  RON PAUL   MAY  WELL  HAVE BEEN  THE BEST CANDIDATE
but that  is  irrelevant  if  he can't  win......if he  could have  he would  have

how  far  to make  page 8?

[Dee]

We can sit here and bicker all we want, but fact is Obama won and we lost! We includes everyone here except the few who supported Obama.

Right before the election, I believe it was O Riley on the radio was speaking of a study that true conservatism will only garner a vote of about 30%. Well then like it or not a candidate that is more towards the middle of the road whether we like that or not.  Like it or not we all have to compromise. As much as you loved him Ron Paul was not on the ballot, we had one poster here that was all drooling over Mc Cain after he chose Sarah Palin for VP, and then went on to blast and insult anyone who voted Mc Cain Palin. Folks like them are the kind that do not build trust, they are dividers. Well as I said before we all lost, Obama won, you all can sit and cry over spilt milk or you can attempt to form up a coalition from this loss and begin to fight back.

You just don't get it!...............We lost when OB, and JM were selected to misrepresent our country.
They are the same. They work for the same people, and that is not the American taxpayer!

And by the way! Ron Paul was on the ballot (The primary one) and the conservatives let him down and chose the so called lesser of two evils to lead, guide and protect, and he lost because TRUE conservatives couldn't bring themselves to vote for the fool!

Perhaps if nothing else good comes from this joke of an election, it could be a wake up call to elect some true conservatives, instead of RINO'S like McCain. JMHO

nw_hunter, I agree with you entirely. Perhaps it will take what has happened this election cycle to "wake up" so called conservatives. Until they stop voting liberal and calling it conservative NOTHING will change. But alas, this horse is long since dead, but is still being beaten. Until some go hungry, they will never change their ways and STOP settling for less, while expecting more.

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There have been 2 topics posted about End the Fed Rallies and they have been all but ignored... and yet the threads bashing 3rd party voters has 6 pages... give me a break guys...

Matt

Matt I got 10 dollars that says this thread is going to 8 pages by Saturday. Seems this is  never ending arguement.

I say 9 by noon saturday....

this  should  put  us  up  to  8    lol


some one  mentioned that  some republicans voted  reguarding  the  ''gun show loop hole''
WHAT  IS  THAT??   i  never  know what  people  are talking about ''gun show loop hole''?
and  what does  that have  to  do with  most  all democrats being against  us and  no  3rd party  that can stop  them??

[nw_hunter]

enators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) have joined forces in the gun control debate to introduce legislation that would close the gun show loophole, requiring the same background checks on buyers at gun shows that are now used for purchases at federally licensed gun shops.



This bipartisan legislation, the "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001," (S. 890), is aimed at preventing felons and the mentally ill from buying weapons and attempts to strike a balance between gun control and gun rights advocates.

We use to go to gun shows in Oregon, and buy firearms from private sellers (just like buying from Dad, or your next door neighbor) without the criminal background check. Only if you bought from a dealer was it required.

Now! Thanks to Mr McCain coming to Oregon and working with the Demo. Liberals, and some of the more RINO Republicans, we have to go through the background check on all sales.

McCain is a LIBERAL..............Period!

[Dee]

enators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) have joined forces in the gun control debate to introduce legislation that would close the gun show loophole, requiring the same background checks on buyers at gun shows that are now used for purchases at federally licensed gun shops.



This bipartisan legislation, the "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001," (S. 890), is aimed at preventing felons and the mentally ill from buying weapons and attempts to strike a balance between gun control and gun rights advocates.

We use to go to gun shows in Oregon, and buy firearms from private sellers (just like buying from Dad, or your next door neighbor) without the criminal background check. Only if you bought from a dealer was it required.

Now! Thanks to Mr McCain coming to Oregon and working with the Demo. Liberals, and some of the more RINO Republicans, we have to go through the background check on all sales.

McCain is a LIBERAL..............Period!

He damn sure is!

[billy_56081]

Yup, and we lost. Third partiers included. I can tell that you guys have not served in the military, you woulda been givin a GI party for sure. Get in line the war is starting, untied we stand divided we fall.

[Dee]

nw_hunter, wouldn't you love for that squirrel to try and give you one of his GI parties? His idiocy know no bounds.

[billy_56081]

As I said I can tell some of you have not served in the military. No team spirit, some people just have to try to be different. Why do some just have to always come and put a turd in the punch bowl?

As I said we all lost

Of course now DEE was so enthralled with Mc Cains choice of Palin as VP the he started a thread on here saying that his picking her had garnered his vote. I guess some can't keep thier word.

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enators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) have joined forces in the gun control debate to introduce legislation that would close the gun show loophole, requiring the same background checks on buyers at gun shows that are now used for purchases at federally licensed gun shops.



This bipartisan legislation, the "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001," (S. 890), is aimed at preventing felons and the mentally ill from buying weapons and attempts to strike a balance between gun control and gun rights advocates.

We use to go to gun shows in Oregon, and buy firearms from private sellers (just like buying from Dad, or your next door neighbor) without the criminal background check. Only if you bought from a dealer was it required.

Now! Thanks to Mr McCain coming to Oregon and working with the Demo. Liberals, and some of the more RINO Republicans, we have to go through the background check on all sales.

McCain is a LIBERAL..............Period!

MCCAIN  IS  A LIBERAL....... PERIOD............whats  your  point??   [a simple question  you can't answer]

no  arguement  here  but  not  even close to as bad  as  OBAMA
 back  to  the gun show loop hole

that   must be  in  YOUR STATE
in  Florida  a  gun show  sale  is  NO DIFFERENT  than  a sale between friends  or  a news paper ad

Ronold Raygun did make a gun show loop hole  tho
an FFL can  now  sell at a gun  show  but  all  laws  apply as if sold  at  licenced premisses
only  i  must  note  the location  of the exchange  on  the  4473 form
that   is  the  only gun show loop  hole  i  know  of

when  i  hear  people talk  of  the ''gun show loop hole''  they tend  to be repeating  some thing  they heard  from  some one that doesn't  know what they are talking about

the  ATFE  agents  i have talk  to think  the gun show is a good labor saving  tool
all  those  exchanges  in one place,,,,,but  they still  can't find  much crime  there    [guns keep  people honest]


did  i  mention  if you know anyone  in  Georgia  to get  them  out  to vote
and  try  to stop any further damage done  by  my  x-3rd party

[nw_hunter]

nw_hunter, wouldn't you love for that squirrel to try and give you one of his GI parties? His idiocy know no bounds.

You got that right!

By the way Billy! I was serving my country in the US Army, while you were prob. pooping your diaper.
They still had the draft back then, and we didn't wait for it. I remember giving a few parties, but never received one 

[nw_hunter]

[QUOTE
 back  to  the gun show loop hole

that   must be  in  YOUR STATE



when  i  hear  people talk  of  the ''gun show loop hole''  they tend  to be repeating  some thing  they heard  from  some one that doesn't  know what they are talking about
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READ BELOW What part of this DON"T you understand.
There is a little internet tool called GOOGLE. Get someone to type in (for you) The Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001(S890)

This bipartisan legislation, the "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001," (S. 890), is aimed at preventing felons and the mentally ill from buying weapons and attempts to strike a balance between gun control and gun rights advocates.

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S. 890 [107th]: Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001


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Sponsor: Sen. John McCain [R-AZ]show cosponsors (5)
Cosponsors [as of 2008-11-14]
Sen. Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Sen. Thomas Carper [D-DE]
Sen. Michael DeWine [R-OH]
Sen. Hillary Clinton [D-NY]
Sen. Joseph Lieberman [D-CT]
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Bill Text: Summary | Full Text
Status:  Introduced May 15, 2001
 Reported by Committee -
 Voted on in Senate -
 Voted on in House -
 Signed by President -

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. 
Last Action: May 15, 2001: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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whats  this got to do  with  3rd party
MCCAIN  is a gun infringer
OBAMA  is  worse  and a bigger socialist  and  will  soon be president
OBAMA  MAY HAVE A FILABUSTER PROOF  MAJORITY IN  THE SENATE
WITH OUT  THE LIBERTATIANS   THAT WOULD NOT BE THE SITUATION



IF  YOU KNOW ANY ONE IN  GEORGIA  GET THEM  OUT TO VOTE TOMORROW

[alsaqr]

Third partiers included. I can tell that you guys have not served in the military, you woulda been givin a GI party for sure.

Hey, fella; I spent a career in the US Army. 


The fact is that McCain is an anti.  That proposed "gun show loophole" bill that McAmnesty sponsored would have had widspread consequences had it been signed into law: 

http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman.htm

1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;

2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;

3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;

4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering;

5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;

6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;

7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;

8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;

9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;

10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;

11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));

12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;

13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain-Lieberman law is enacted;

14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and

-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;

-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;

-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record-keeping violations;

-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);

-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others;

-- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;

-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and

-- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;

15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and

16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).

Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain-Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.

To sum up: Perfectly legal gun sales -- with no victims or criminal activity of any kind -- are outlawed at gun shows by the McCain-Lieberman bill, unless the sale is pre-registered with the federal government; real crimes are totally unaffected; and your friends in the federal government take over full control of gun shows -- which have been previously free of government infringement for more than 200 years.

Please write your local news outlet and politely request a correction.

Permission to circulate or use any or all of this report is granted, provided my credit and contact information is included.

Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

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let's  be glad it  didn't  pass

so  your saying  MCCAIN  and the Republicans
are  worse  than  OBAMA  and the Democrats?

well  is  he??

and  how do  you fell about so  many demcrats in  power  now?

[alsaqr]

so  your saying  MCCAIN  and the Republicans
are  worse  than  OBAMA  and the Democrats?

Never said any such damn thing and you know it.  I held my nose, retched, puked and voted for McCain this go round simply because Palin was on the ticket.  Let me assure you that I will never vote for the lesser of two evils ever again.  If the damned Republican party runs an anti-gunner next time I will write in a vote for the town  nutcase.

All those stupid Democrats are in power because the corrupt Republican political hacks in DC blew it big time.  The pukes even cut 6 million dollars from military brain injury research in 2006. 


 

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i  do  thank you for  holding  your  nose  and  helping

i hope  you  will  continue  to do  so while  you still  have  a nose

MCCAIN  should have  never won  in the primaries for  his senate seat  in  Arizona

thats  why  i left  the libertarian party to  stop  the  mccains  in the primaries
because  it  will  always  be  a democrat  or  a rebublican
we  need to focus  on  BETTER REPUBLICANS

[Heather]

I really have nothing more to say on this topic I just want to see it go to 8 pages today!

Heather

[ironglow]

  I think all this bruhaha about "lesser of two evils" is a bit myopic. Not including the 1964 federal election, I have voted in every election since 1960. Each time I found it necessary to vote for the "lesser" of two candidates. I don't know about you, buit I have never found a PERFECT candidate! Some came very close (e.g. Ronald Reagan), but there has never (IMO) been a perfect candidate..just as there is not a perfect (in today's usage) man or woman out there to fill the slot. Thus, if one has more good points going for him/her than the opponent..then he is by very nature "the lesser of two evils". 
  Apparently some had a 3rd party candidate in mind whom they would have readily voted for..perhaps they would like to share and tell us who this perfectly flawless individual is. As far as I am concerned, only one individual who is perfect and flawless ever walked this earth!
  Anyone else could in today's election cycles, only be the "lesser of two evils"...

[kevthebassman]

It hasn't got anything to do with being "perfect," to me at least.  I simply could not stomach voting for McCain.  Aside from Rudy Giuliani, he was the worst candidate to show his face in the primaries.  Just an awful, awful choice.

[Dee]

kevthebassman, America agrees with you. TWICE! He has not been able to sell himself to America EITHER TIME.
He ran the first time anti-2nd Amendment, and that didn't work. This time he tried to change cloths, and pretend to be pro-2nd Amendment. A few of the slower ones bought into it, but once again, those paying attention rejected McLoser for the 2nd and final time.

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IRONGLOW

how could  you vote  for Ronold Reagan?   you are  such  a fool
he  is  the  one  that  banned  the production of  machine guns  for private citizens

just  kidding  IG  put  if  this  doesn't  make  8  come back  and  chew me  out
i  voted  Ronold too

[billy_56081]

Besides Ross, has any third party candidate got over 1% of the vote? Why did no one build on Ross's sucesses?  As I have said we do not need dividers here, we need uniters. So who here voted for BO? You were the only ones who won this election. All the rest of us were losers.

[nw_hunter]

kevthebassman, America agrees with you. TWICE! He has not been able to sell himself to America EITHER TIME.
He ran the first time anti-2nd Amendment, and that didn't work. This time he tried to change cloths, and pretend to be pro-2nd Amendment. A few of the slower ones bought into it, but once again, those paying attention rejected McLoser for the 2nd and final time.

~A few of the slower ones bought into it, but once again, those paying attention rejected McLoser for the 2nd and final time.~ I like that Dee! The slower ones!

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BILLY
the libertarian  party  got  over   3%  of  the vote  in  Georgia's senate election

they  are  having a run  off  tomorrow because  of  this

the democrat buses  will  be  running

if  you know any one  in  Georgia  get them  out to vote tomorrow

[ironglow]

  Right 45/70;
  While I don't believe the 3rd party vote elected Obama as it elected Clinton in '92, it could yet be responsible for giving BHO the "super-majority he needs to be "emperor".
   No need to castigate the 3rd party voters now, let's just hope they learned enough not to repeat the same mistake in the future....

[Mikey]

ironglow - you gotta be kidding me. with hoping 3rd party voters have learned enough not to repeat the same mistake.  American voters are far too arrogant to think they could ever make a mistake and far too stupid to realize when they have. 

Third party voters see themselves as saviors of the system.

There are no lessons to be learned here, because they can't see their mistake and wouldn't understand the nature of it if they did. 

They think their vote can cure everything when in fact it cures nothing.

No 3rd party candidate has ever had the strength to successfully lead the country, neither Perot, Paul or any of them.  I cannot recall one that has ever been elected.

I believe a 3rd party vote simply causes one of the other parties to lose. 

[ironglow]

 Mikey;
  I am not angry or hostile toward any of them, but I do recall hearing many (not all) Perot voters bemoan the election of Clinton. Who knows, perhaps Perot would have done a better job than either of the mainstream candidates..except he couldn't win...he could only throw the election. Many libs were upset with Nader in the Gore vs Bush race.
  Thus, when I said we can only hope they have learned from their mistake I didn't mean it as a slight, but only as an observation of history. A substantial number of the Perot voters said "never again do I cast a fruitless vote". Of course Their vote was not actually "fruitless", since it got Clinton into the Whitehouse. I must hasten to remind, not all fruit is good fruit....

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a  3rd party vote  is still  better  than  a democratic  vote
and  i  do thank  the 3rd  party voters  for  that  let me make  that  clear
i  too  was  a 3rd party voter  until   i  realized  how  bad  the democrats  have gotten

i  think  the green  party  needs  to  expand
that  party  will   take votes  from  the democrats
the green  party  cost  OWL GORE  the  election  in  Florida  years  ago

another  example  of 3rd  party  interference
but  this  time it was  for  the  good

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The Liberty Movement in Northeast Florida
From: John Stevens 
Sent on: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:56 PM 

This message is in response to Phil's message copied at the bottom of this e-mail...
 
I think it is much more important for us to focus on spreading the small "l" libertarian message as quickly and as effectively as possible than to worry about the name under which the message  is spread.     
 
I left the Republican Party years ago out of frustration and vowed never to return based on principle. However, I believe a window of opportunity has presented itself following the success of the Ron Paul movement and the defeat of the GOP in the past two elections. We now have the ability to reach more people with the message of liberty through the Republican Party. This is why I have embraced the Republican Liberty Caucus of Northeast Florida. As much as I would like to - I realize I can't convince a group of Libertarian Party activists to fully embrace this strategy, but I would like to encourage you to do the following...
 
1. Join the RLC of NE Florida Meetup Group (It's Free)
    http://republican.meetup.com/609/
 
2. If you want to remain a registered Libertarian, then join the RLC of NE Florida as an "Associate Member". ($12)
    http://files.meetup.com/1148187/Membership%20Application%20-%20RLC%20of%20NE%20Florida%20rev.%206-24-08.pdf
 
3. Attend monthly meetings and engage in those libertarian events and causes for which you support.
    http://files.meetup.com/1148187/RLC_December_Meeting.pdf
 
My vision for the Republican Liberty Caucus of Northeast Florida is that it becomes the umbrella organization that unites all members of the freedom & liberty movement in Northeast Florida to include:
 
1. Those working to reform and rebuild the GOP
2. Those working to build the Libertarian Party
3. Those working to build the Constitution Party
4. Those working on individual local, state and national causes that  promote liberty
 
Many members of the Libertarian Meetup Group are already active in the RLC of NE Florida.
 
Those of you who are not - I encourage you to come check us out this Tuesday Night, (12/02)  at 6:00pm at the offices of WG Pitts at 7807 Baymeadows RD East near 9A.

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this is an email i received from the libertaian party
there  are  people trying to reform  the rebuplicans
i  urge  you to llok  int them