Your 3rd party vote....

[BBF]

DEE:
 Re your post#87.
 Nowhere is the word republic mentioned in the form of Government we have in Canada. Whether or not we are a socialist country is open to interpretation since we do have some social programs not found in the US. However as long as the British Crown has authority in Canada I doubt it will become a Socialist country. BTW. don't you wish you had as many viable party choices as we do or have the ability to have a minority government that can be removed anytime the opposition parties agree to it through a Vote of Confidence?

Last but not least, if it ever would come to wide spread civil unrest and the Fed Gov is the cause of it, the British Crown has the authority to dissolve that Government by instructing the Governor General to do so. It has been done in another Commonwealth country. 

[Singleshotsam]

Honestly, While I enjoy engaging in them, I could do w/o them...

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its  good  for  your  circulation

[kevthebassman]

its  good  for  your  circulation

Getting the blood hot every now and then is good for the mind, probably not so good for the blood pressure though. 

[deltecs]

For those third party supporters, you just might get your wish.  But you won't ever be able to exercise it.  Read anothers conclusion who believes as I related in my previous posts above several days ealier than the article quoted. 

Newsmax.com


GOP’s Very Survival at Stake
Monday, October 27, 2008 9:18 PM

By: Christopher Ruddy


The stakes of this election are incredibly high, not just for our candidate, John McCain, but for the very existence of the Republican Party.


Am I exaggerating the potential consequences of this election?


Decide for yourself. Consider that Barack Obama has called for the amnesty of all 12 million of the nation’s illegal aliens.


If he sweeps to power with a Democratic Congress, especially with a filibuster-proof Senate, he will be able to put into effect an ambitious liberal agenda — perhaps more bold than FDR’s New Deal and LBJ’s Great Society.


Obama has made his intentions clear, including his intention for amnesty and citizenship for undocumented aliens.


This year, he told the pro-immigrant group La Raza: “Yes, they broke the law. And we should not excuse that. We should require them to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for citizenship — behind those who came here legally. But we cannot — and should not — deport 12 million people.”


He added: “That's why we need to offer those who are willing to make amends a pathway to citizenship. That way, we can reconcile our values as both a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.”


Democrats are anxious to give citizenship as quickly as they can to these illegals. They know these new voters will cast their ballots overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates.


The political balance between Democrats and Republicans has been quite delicate. We saw that in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections.


In that last election, President Bush was popular, riding the coattails of a great economy and facing an unlikable liberal Democrat from Massachusetts. Still, Bush almost lost. Only 60,000 votes in Ohio separated John Kerry from the White House. The reason, I believe, was the country’s changing demographics.


For Republicans, changing demographics are worrisome. Minorities and immigrants like the idea of a big and benevolent government handing out benefits — the something-for-nothing boondoggles that the Democrats have reveled in since Franklin Roosevelt invented the concept.


If you give amnesty, which really means citizenship, to just 2 million or 3 million of the 12 million illegals here, the electoral map moves dramatically in favor of the Democratic Party. But there will be no reason why Obama and the Democrats won’t push for amnesty and citizenship for all 12 million.


How do I know? Well, he said so. So listen up, Republicans: You are in trouble if Obama is elected with a Democratic Congress.


Today, Texas is an anchor for the GOP nationally. But an Obama amnesty program will put that state solidly into the Democratic column. Florida and other smaller red states like Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico will become quite blue. Blue states, like California and New York, will get bluer.


The Obama amnesty program also will have grave consequences for Republican representation in the House and the Senate. With so many new immigrants swelling the voter rolls, Democrats could move into a position of not just having a majority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate, but supermajorities in each.


Both houses of Congress could end up veto proof, if perchance, a Republican were to wiggle into the White House.


With such power and the ability to make even more new citizens and thus new Democratic voters, I wonder how the Republicans will gain a foothold again on the national stage.


Adding to this worry is that Democrats and Obama have openly talked about bringing about the Fairness Doctrine — a new law that will stifle talk radio, the mainstay of opposition media in the country.


No doubt the Democrats know that talk radio stopped Hillary Clinton’s agenda for nationalized healthcare during the '90s.


It is hard to believe the Obama campaign will not want to shut down, once and for all, the Democrats' chief critics.

[See the Video: "Obama Wants 12 million Illegals to Get Citizenship" — Click Here Now.]
© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved. 

And some here wonder if I'm sane.  I wonder about the sanity of voters and the general actions of the American voter with good reason.  No wonder at all that I refuse to vote 3rd party this election.  No wonder at all about my negative and anti Obama attitude.  No wonder, if I've considered civil insurrection and riots after the election.  Imagine a super Democratic Congress, a Marxist President, a socialistic Supreme Court that rules more often in favor of cities above eminent domains like in Conn and overturns the 2nd as an individual right, more taxes and less employm ent.  With government givaways, who are they going to vote for by anyone.  Just look at the voters for Obama now before any further socialism.   I'm truly concerned that trouble is brewing and there isn't anything more I can do to prevent it. 

[nw_hunter]

And yet, the one indisputable fact remains; the vast, OVERWHELMING majority of Americans want the southern border closed.  The money to build a fence has already been appropriated.  And yet the southern border remains wide open.  Drug cartels and the Mexican army cross our border, fire at our border patrol, and when the border patrol does their job and fires back, they are put in prison.  Bush could have pardoned them, but he didn't.

If the Republicrats had pushed the building of the fence with as much vigor as they pushed the bailout, it would have been built 7 years ago.

THAT, is why there there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Republicans are pushing for international socialism just as hard as the Democrats.

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This is true and this is why we need a third party.
The Liberals have taken over the Republican part at the top, and even down to the state levels in most states.

If we could just convince the people of the Republican party, that their leaders have forsaken them, but
most have been too brainwashed to see.
They see those of us in party movements like the Constitution party as wacko' nut cases, and they hate us more than the Liberal Democrats. They choose sides with twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dumb and go to bed at night feeling good about it, as our country slides even deeper in political poop.

Most won't take the time to search for the truth, but will except as fact, statements from the likes of Billy O, or Shallow Shaun H. and Alan Combs. Check out the news on Lew Rockwell.com , The Savage Nation or any other source not owned by a Liberal Giant.

Some on here say we need a change, but still vote for the same A-- H---s that brought us here.
Step up and start thinking for yourself instead of letting the boob tube do your thinking for you.

Check out the Constitution or the Libertarian Parties........They are the true conservative Parties.

Here is the Fiscal Policy of the Constitution Party. It reads much like the Republican party of Jefferson's day.




~The Constitution Party supports reducing the role of the United States federal government through cutting bureaucratic regulation, reducing spending, and replacing the income tax with a tariff-based revenue system supplemented by excise taxes. Its leaders are among the strongest advocates of abolishing most forms of federal taxation, especially the income tax; they view most current regular federal expenditures, such as those for health care, education, and welfare, as unconstitutional under Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment. The party also takes the position that the "imposition […] of Federal income, payroll, and estate taxes […] is an unconstitutional Federal assumption of direct taxing authority."[18] However, the 16th amendment to the US Constitution does grant Congress the power to "lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."[19]

The party supports paying off the federal debt through a systematic elimination of further borrowing, programs, and agencies it considers unconstitutional such as the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. The party opposes foreign aid, asking that no further funds be appropriated for any kind of foreign aid program, and encourage the idea that the United States terminate its participation in international lending institutions, such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, and the Export-Import Bank. It also urges the government to immediately terminate all subsidies, tax preferences, and investment guarantees that encourage U.S. businesses to invest in foreign property; and to seek to collect all foreign debts owed to it.

[edit] Foreign policy

Additionally, the party favors a noninterventionist foreign policy. It advocates reduction and eventual elimination of the role the United States plays in multinational and international organizations such as the United Nations, and favors withdrawal of the United States from most current treaties, such as North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), and the World Trade Organization. The party takes mercantilist positions in supporting protectionist policies on international trade.

The party also believes in exercising a tariff system to counteract the U.S.' increasingly negative balance of trade.[20] The tariff system would levy additional import costs, the amount of which would vary proportionally with how much less the exporting country's production costs are compared to that of U.S. companies. This system would presumably give U.S. companies a better chance at competing with countries, like Mexico and China, which have lower labor costs.

[edit] Immigration policy

The party opposes illegal immigration and also seeks a more restrictive policy on legal immigration. They demand that the federal government restore immigration policies based on the practice that potential immigrants will be disqualified from admission to the U.S. if, on the grounds of health, criminality, morals, or financial dependence, they would impose an improper burden on the United States, any state, or any citizen of the United States.

Additionally, they oppose the provision of welfare subsidies and other taxpayer-supported benefits to illegal immigrants, and reject the practice of bestowing U.S. citizenship on children born to illegal immigrant parents while in this country (jus soli). They also reject any extension of amnesty to illegal immigrants. The Constitution Party calls for the use of U.S. troops to protect the states against an influx of illegal immigrants.

[edit] Social policy

The party opposes euthanasia and abortion.[21][22] The party supports a state's right to administer the death penalty to those convicted of "capital crimes"[23] which, it should be noted, are not necessarily limited to murder but usually equate to such in modern American society.

    Our support of a State's option to impose the death penalty is limited to those who have been convicted of capital crimes. This is consistent with protecting "innocent" life because the death penalty would only be applied to those who have proven to be a threat to innocent life.

The party also opposes government recognition of same-sex unions, and believes state and local governments have the right to criminalize "offensive sexual behavior".[24] The party further opposes pornography, believing it to be, at worst, "a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities," distinguishable from the American citizen's "cherished First Amendment right to free speech." While expressing its belief in the individual responsibility of citizens and corporations, the party maintains that government plays a "vital role" in establishing and maintaining the highest level of decency in America's community standards.[25] Viewing gambling as destructive and contributing to crime, the party opposes all government sponsorship, involvement in, or promotion of gambling,[26] and in keeping with the spirit of Article 1 Section 8 and Amendment 10, the party opposes federal anti-drug laws while maintaining that the federal government may have a role in limiting the import of drugs.[27]

The party supports the right to bear arms in accordance with the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The party is opposed to the USA PATRIOT Act.

The Constitution party believes that charitable giving is most effective when conducted by private parties. Because the authority to administer charity has not been granted to the government in the Constitution, the party maintains that the government has no business being involved in such endeavors.[28] The party opposes federal restrictions on, or subsidization of, medical treatments.[29]

The party supports English as the official language for all governmental business, opposes bilingual ballots, and insists that those who wish to take part in the electoral process and governance of the US be required to read and comprehend basic English as a precondition of citizenship.[30]

[edit] Abortion stance and post-Tampa state disaffiliations

The Constitution Party officially opposes both early and late-term abortions. Party members, however, have been divided on the subject of exceptions in the cases of rape, incest, and abortions performed to save the life of the mother.

In early 2006, Christopher H. Hansen, the gubernatorial candidate of Independent American Party of Nevada (the Constitution Party state affiliate in Nevada), and candidates in Colorado and Idaho, publicly expressed support for these exceptions, which were contrary to the official Nevada platform.

At the party's April national convention in Tampa, Florida, the assembly voted not to disaffiliate Nevada, citing that affiliate's official position on the issue and national party policy against dictating the internal affairs (such as electing leaders) of any affiliate. They also made it more difficult to introduce a disaffiliation resolution.

In response, nine state parties formally voted to disaffiliate from the national party, believing it to have unacceptably compromised on the issue of abortion.[31][32][33][34][35] Several of these states have since reorganized and reaffiliated.[36][37]

[edit] Federalism

The party supports the repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment, which allows Congress to tax income, and the Seventeenth Amendment, which requires the direct (popular) election of Senators.[38] The party acknowledges that each state's membership in the Union is voluntary.[39]

[edit] Ballot access

The Constitution Party is on the ballot in the following states, as of October 22, 2008.[40] Several state parties are still disaffiliated following the 2006 Tampa decision.

   1. Alaska (via endorsement of Alaskan Independence Party) [4]
   2. Arkansas
   3. Colorado (as the American Constitution Party)
   4. Connecticut (as the Concerned Citizens Party)
   5. Delaware
   6. Florida
   7. Hawaii[41]
   8. Idaho
   9. Michigan (as the U.S. Taxpayers Party of Michigan)
  10. Mississippi
  11. Missouri[42]
  12. Montana (Constitution Party of Montana, disaffiliated in 2006)
  13. Nebraska (as the Nebraska Party)
  14. Nevada (as the Independent American Party of Nevada)
  15. New Mexico[43]
  16. New York
  17. North Dakota[44]
  18. Ohio
  19. Oregon (Constitution Party of Oregon, disaffiliated in 2006)
  20. South Carolina
  21. South Dakota[45]
  22. Utah (Constitution Party of Utah)
  23. Vermont[46]
  24. Virginia on the ballot as (Independent Green) [47]
  25. Rhode Island

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so  if  they carry 80% of these   states....
that  means they get 40% of all votes  [approx]
mathematicaly  impossible to win
those votes  made a statement [woooo hooo]
but  nothing else
who wins???

      OBAMA

if  they cared enough about  this country and stepped out
will  those  votes go to stop obama?


i told the libertarian party  i would leave  them  after 20 years if obama is elected

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old tread  new news  to  think about
i  think  it will  work  out.....get  your Georgia Friends to the runoff vote

3rd party  messed  us  up  here


http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/democrats_target_georgia/2008/11/13/151017.html?s=al&promo_code=713A-1

[deltecs]

I read the platform of the Constitution Party and do not agree with several issues.  It favors non interventionist policy, agreed.  It favors protectionist trade and tarriff, disagree.  I disagree with its euthanasia policy, if one is terminally ill, he/she should be able to die with dignity.  That is a right not given to society or social welfare.  I don't entirely agree with its policy on the death penalty.  It indicates the death penalty is only sentenced to protect innocent life.  I think it applies to traitors also, even when there is no life lost.  I think it should apply to terrorists that have been convicted of attemped mass destruction acts.  I don't agree with its policy on pornagraphy, drugs, or offensive behavior inside the home.  I do not agree with repeal of the 17th Amendment on the election of Senators by popular vote of the State.  I think these are enough reasons not to join the Constitution Party alone. 

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Al Gore Pushes for Filibuster-Proof Senate

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Gore_senate_donations/2008/11/14/151276.html?s=al&promo_code=714B-1

In Georgia, Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss failed to get 50 percent of the vote and will face Democratic challenger Jim Martin in a runoff election on Dec. 2.

[nw_hunter]

I read the platform of the Constitution Party and do not agree with several issues.  It favors non interventionist policy, agreed.  It favors protectionist trade and tarriff, disagree.  I disagree with its euthanasia policy, if one is terminally ill, he/she should be able to die with dignity.  That is a right not given to society or social welfare.  I don't entirely agree with its policy on the death penalty.  It indicates the death penalty is only sentenced to protect innocent life.  I think it applies to traitors also, even when there is no life lost.  I think it should apply to terrorists that have been convicted of attemped mass destruction acts.  I don't agree with its policy on pornagraphy, drugs, or offensive behavior inside the home.  I do not agree with repeal of the 17th Amendment on the election of Senators by popular vote of the State.  I think these are enough reasons not to join the Constitution Party alone. 

Curious about what you consider a traitor! Some would consider me a traitor for voting for a third party candidate.

What is it about repealing the 17th you don't like?
This country today is being run by special interest groups, and repealing the 17th would be a start in changing that.

We are all familiar with the horizontal separation of powers, which divided the power to govern into three branches, the executive, the legislative, and the judicial, leaving no one department of government with enough power to abuse the people. Remember, the abuses and oppressions of King George were fresh on their minds. Sovereignty was the battle cry.

However, today few know that the Founders also divided that same power vertically between the Federal Government and the State Governments. How would you protect the state governments?


The Founders did it by granting each state, large or small, two representatives in the Federal Government. These representatives were called Senators. They were chosen by the legislature of each state. They answered only to that states' legislature! This placed them above the influence of special interest groups, the media, and, to a great extent, political party bias, since members of all political parties in the state legislature chose them. The state’s representatives were given power to veto or monitor all three branches of the federal government!!

After all, each piece of legislation, all judicial appointees, and all Executive appointments had to be approved by the Senate. As for national and foreign issues, all treaties, and all military affairs had to have the Senate's approval. Thus the STATES had a hand in all Federal affairs and each state’s sovereignty was protected. In this manner the legislator you elected from your neighborhood had a direct influence in all federal affairs and could be held accountable by you, his neighbor.

Hence, the Constitution dictated that the Senators were to be chosen by the state legislatures and the federal government was granted only a limited number of powers. Only powers requiring cooperation of all the states-- national defense, foreign affairs, and interstate commerce. The remainder of powers was given to the states and/or held in reserve by the people.

Because of the Founders concern over the central governments ability to abuse the people, and because the states were closer to the citizens of each state and thus they could more readily be held accountable by the people, the Founders gave the states the responsibility of directly governing the people.

This all-important vertical separation of powers, dividing the power to govern vertically between the States and the Federal Government, was lost with the passage of the l7th Amendment

Since the passing of the 17th Amendment in 1913, the Federal Government has exploded out of control, usurping the rightful power of State Governments to govern the people. As the power was wrested from state elected officials, it was transferred to non-elected Federal officials who do not answer to the people because the people do not vote them in nor out of office. Thus any government official not directly reporting to a specific elected official is out of the control of the people. From these officials there is no redress!

We need to return to the Founding Fathers Success Formula, which kept government leaders “chained down by the Constitution” and accountable to the people. We can do this by repealing the 17th Amendment.


Be informed! Use this great medium called the internet to search for the truth.
You won't get it by watching the three networks or Fox News

[deltecs]

Excuse me, but I consider myself very well informed as to the current, past and probably status of government.  I'm involved with foreign trade markets.  I'm in contact with personal friends in Southern Africa including Zim, who contact me regularly.  I only watch the news on Fox and weather on a local station, which just so happens to be very liberal but with the best and most accurate weather forecasts.  I disgree with the State legislatures having the power to appoint Senators.  Senators are then responsible to those in State legislature and not subject to voter dissastifaction.  To get rid of a Senator, one whould have to get rid of the majority of his supporters in the State legislature, a difficult job at best.  Since the Senators represent the people of the States interest, it demands the people and voters within the State to maintain his tenure, not the Legislature.  A traitor to me is a capital crime according to federal law and convicted as such.  I also believe kidnapping should be a capital offense with the death penalty, regardless of injury.  Mental injury and state of the victim is akin to terrorism and demands the same penalty.  State governments are protected by the 10 Amendment and its own internal organized and unorganized militia.  It is the federal government, which has imposed bribary and black mail to enforce States to comply with its mandates, like the 55 mph speed limit and seat belts.  Oklahoma has sent the federal government notice that it will no longer comply with federal mandates and take the feds to court for any tatics that attempt enforcement.  You might read a bit more on the Internet and be more informed yourself before accusing others of ignorance because they disgree with your political philosophy. 

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this  would not be  an  issure  if  not for  the libertarian  party  i used to belong  to:



Urgent Memo to Newsmax Readers

The National Republican Trust PAC

From: Scott Wheeler
Executive Director

The latest FEC filings show that as of November 12 for the special Georgia Senate race, liberal Democrat Jim Martin has raised $2.4 million.

Meanwhile, Republican Saxby Chambliss, who is fighting desperately to keep his Senate seat out of Barack Obama's control, has raised $1.4 million — that's $700,000 less than Martin!

You may recall that I warned you that the Democrats were going to try to "snatch" this usually safe Republican seat from us.

They have a simple plan, the same one Obama used to beat Hillary and McCain.

First, they outspend their opponent.

Second, they "turn out" the African-American vote and other special interests that make up the Democratic party base.

Their fundraising success shows the have activated their playbook.

We have already reported that Obama sent his top 100 campaign operatives into Georgia to defeat Chambliss.

The Atlanta Constitution Journal reports this weekend that the ultra-left NARAL (the National Abortion Rights Action League), liberal environmental and union groups, and Chuck Schumer's Senatorial Committee have poured close to $2 million more into the Georgia race.

It is urgent we fight back — help us by Going Here Now.

The Democrats know that if they win the Georgia Seat, Obama will have the 60 votes he needs in the Senate to push through his radical agenda: increase personal and capital gains taxes, end talk radio through a new "Fairness Doctrine" and give favored groups like Detroit automakers and their unions tens of billions in bailout money.

Make no mistake about it. We are in trouble in Georgia.

The New York Times reported this weekend that because the Georgia race is so close, Republicans "are on the brink of losing their ability to use Senate procedure to thwart Democrats or force them into negotiations."

On this point they are right. The only thing stopping Obama and the Democrats from ramming through their leftwing agenda is the Georgia Senate race.

Dick Morris, the Fox News analyst, says the National Republican Trust PAC is the #1 group fighting to keep Georgia in Republican hands and the Senate from Obama's control.

He has urged conservatives and Republicans to help the National Republican Trust.

You can do so by Going Here Now.

My friends, we no longer have weeks to organize and fight back. It is only a matter of days. December 2nd is approaching fast.

We need help now to get out the vote on December 2nd.

Help us in this critical effort — Go Here Now.

The maximum donation you can make to us at the National Republican Trust PAC is $5000.

But anything you can donate will be used in our Georgia effort.

Thank you.

Yours for America,

Scott Wheeler
Executive Director

P.S. Barack Obama won't go to Georgia to campaign for Martin, but he is airing radio ads on his behalf. These are targeted ads to get out the vote for Martin. Obama knows Georgian's don't like his liberal agenda. That's why our TV ads are focusing on Obama and how Martin will help his radical agenda. Please help us today by calling our Donor Hotline at 1-866-957-1467 or Go Here Now

[kevthebassman]

And how, exactly, is that the fault of the Libertarian party?

[Dee]

And how, exactly, is that the fault of the Libertarian party?

It's all our fault kev. Don't you get it?

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the  republican  got  49.8%  of  the vote
the democrat  got  46.?%
the  libertarian  got 3.?%

in  Georgia  you  need 50% plus 1

i  am  sure  from  my  experience   in  the libertarian party 90% of their vote would  have gone republican
but  if  only 25% voted republican  we  wouldn't  face  this current  threat
if  you  know  any one in  Georgia  remind  then to get  out and vote  December 2
you  know  the ACORN voter  buses  will  be running

[kevthebassman]

Your assumption is baseless.  How do you "know" that 90% of their votes would have gone republican?  These people did not vote for the republicans, and they did that for a reason.  That you think they would vote republican really means very little, because they did not.  The Libertarian party's existence has nothing to do with the fact that the Republican party has sold this country down the river and alienated a very large portion of the electorate.

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the democrats  are much  worse  than  the republicans

that  is  why i  was  in  the libertarian party for  20 years
i  have  been  to  over a hundred party meetings
so  what  i  THINK   is not  baseless
i  left  the libertarian party  November  5  this year  the day after  the election
i  assumed  90%  would  go republican  but  i  KNOW more  than 25%  would  so  do the math  at 25%
if  you   think  less than 25% would go  republican  then  you don't  know  much
 
DO  YOU WANT A FILABUSTER-PROOF  MAJOITY OF DEMOCRATS  IN  THE SENATE?

[muskeg13]

We can thank the third party voters in Alaska for giving Harry Reid and Chucky Schumer their 58th Dem Senator...just 2 away from the grand slam!  If it weren't for the 3 crackpot candidates and their supporters, Alaska wouldn't be sending its first Dem to Washington in 40 years.  Tax crazy Dem Mark Begich only won by 3724 votes, 1.18%.  The 3 third party candidates drew off 16,970 votes, 5.39%.  While all of the third party votes wouldn't have gone for Uncle Ted, he didn't need many to retain another pro-Second Amendment, pro-national defense, drill here and drill now seat.  I don't believe for an instant that newbie Dem Senator Mark Begich, who will be the only Senator without a college degree, will defy his party leaders to become the "independent" representative of the people he claimed he'd be while campaigning.

[torpedoman]

I find it laughable how soon people forget the facts and ignore the truth.  The truth is that Clinton signed into law the Brady Bill which he supported wholeheartedly.  I remember when his law license was revoked for perjury.  I remember his administration having a 70+% popularity when he cheated on his wife in the Oval Office and lied in a court deposition that deprived another individual of her Constitutional right to due process.  I remember his failed foreign policy, which got us into this mess.  I remember his pardons for felons that aided his and his wifes wrongdoing, more Presidential pardons than any other President.  I remember his economic policy of mandating Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to make loans to underqualified people to get votes and enjoy the American dream.  I remember Rep attempting to regulate the speculation markets without success by the Dem and supported by the White House.  I remember more corruption, questionable deaths, scandals and lies than Tammany Hall and Chicago during Prohibition times.  I remember when the voting public was still as stupid and ignorant of facts, as they are now with Obama.  Did I leave anything out during those 8 years the Dems controlled Congress for a part and the President at tenure for the entire time?  You bet I did.  The post would be way too long.  Just because there are occasions where each party has elected officials violating some rule or other does not mean the majority of them are representative of the party.  However, it is the Dems that have had the majority of these violations and many are still in office.  I remember Chappaquidick, do you?  How about Rastinkowski and Jefferson?  The former Gov of NY?  Edwards of the DNC?   How many more would you like to distingush the difference between a party attempting to wrestle with government, as compared to those attempting to exploit it?  Don't forget Obama?  What cause did he fight for as a young man?  His own and Marxism by association and his own hand in his book and actions.  You think as you will.  I'll think logically without emotion and arrive at conclusions based on facts, not wishful belief.

Yea you forgot the trail of bodies that were close to the clintons who died or commited suicide under strange conditions.

[kevthebassman]

You know, instead of blaming third party voters, why don't you take a long hard look at the Republican party.  Ted Stevens in Alaska is charged with what, 7 felonies?  And third party voters are responsible for his loss?   

[Fazak]

What we're witnessing from the federal government today isn't socialism,..it isn't capitalism,..it's not even republican or democrat.

It's simply brute force. There is no political ideology at play. The government has gone broke,..their war policies have failed, their economic policies have failed,..their fat cat friends in the banking fraternity have lost huge sums of their money, and the government is going to reimburse them by taking *your* money.

If you behave, they might loan it back to you for a large service charge.

The government doesn't care about political ideology. They'll spew whatever garbage will keep them elected,..and it doesn't matter if a government official sports an "R" of a "D" by their nametag,..they're on the same team,..and you don't get to play.

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You know, instead of blaming third party voters, why don't you take a long hard look at the Republican party.  Ted Stevens in Alaska is charged with what, 7 felonies?  And third party voters are responsible for his loss?   

yes     he  lost as  a result  of  both

[Heather]

What we're witnessing from the federal government today isn't socialism,..it isn't capitalism,..it's not even republican or democrat.

It's simply brute force. There is no political ideology at play. The government has gone broke,..their war policies have failed, their economic policies have failed,..their fat cat friends in the banking fraternity have lost huge sums of their money, and the government is going to reimburse them by taking *your* money.

If you behave, they might loan it back to you for a large service charge.

The government doesn't care about political ideology. They'll spew whatever garbage will keep them elected,..and it doesn't matter if a government official sports an "R" of a "D" by their nametag,..they're on the same team,..and you don't get to play.

That just about sums it up!  We're screwed!

Heather

[kevthebassman]

You know, instead of blaming third party voters, why don't you take a long hard look at the Republican party.  Ted Stevens in Alaska is charged with what, 7 felonies?  And third party voters are responsible for his loss?   

yes     he  lost as  a result  of  both

BS.  Ted Stevens lost his senate seat because he's a dirty, corrupt politician criminal.  This new guy will be the first Democrat senator from Alaska in what, 40 years?  Any Republican besides Ted Stevens could have won that race.  There have been third party candidates in Alaska for as long as there have been elections in Alaska, yet it's their fault that a crooked politician gets kicked out on his ass?  You've lost your mind!

Fazak:  Preach it brother, preach it.

[45-70.gov]

yes  he  lost  because  of  his  short comings

but  despite  them  he  would  have  won  without  3rd party  opposition


DO  YOU  WANT THE DEMOCRATS TO  HAVE A FILABUSTER PROOF  SENATE??

ASNSWER  ME  THAT......IF  YOU  DO.....WHY  ARE  YOU  HERE??

[ironglow]

  About time for those who like the United States the way it was designed and did operate for nearly 200 years, quit bickering among ourselves and get started on rebuilding a patriots party. By complaining to each other about the mistakes we all made, we are playing into the Socialist/Marxists hands.
   Perhaps we should stop the finger pointing and start planning on what we do from here. Don't know if the Republican party can be rebuilt...or even if it should...perhaps a new "God & Country" party should be formed. Let the Dems have the "moderates", they only served to destroy our unity anyway.
    In the United States today, we are in a situation where the parasites have taken over the plantation...and the plantation may be destroyed.

[Dee]

You know, instead of blaming third party voters, why don't you take a long hard look at the Republican party.  Ted Stevens in Alaska is charged with what, 7 felonies?  And third party voters are responsible for his loss?   

yes     he  lost as  a result  of  both

BS.  Ted Stevens lost his senate seat because he's a dirty, corrupt politician criminal.  This new guy will be the first Democrat senator from Alaska in what, 40 years?  Any Republican besides Ted Stevens could have won that race.  There have been third party candidates in Alaska for as long as there have been elections in Alaska, yet it's their fault that a crooked politician gets kicked out on his ass?  You've lost your mind!

Fazak:  Preach it brother, preach it.

kev, you are wasting your time. Some people are too stupid to realize that had Stevens WON, he would have been forced to resign. He is a convicted felon. Other Senators, including everyone here's hero, McCain had asked for his resignation BEFORE THE ELECTION. It is an empty argument, argued by empty heads. It serves no purpose other than to make an empty point. It is why I would never align myself with such air headed idiots.

[Matt]

yes  he  lost  because  of  his  short comings

but  despite  them  he  would  have  won  without  3rd party  opposition


DO  YOU  WANT THE DEMOCRATS TO  HAVE A FILABUSTER PROOF  SENATE??

ASNSWER  ME  THAT......IF  YOU  DO.....WHY  ARE  YOU  HERE??

So you would rather have a criminal in that seat??? you just really don't like democrats do you...

you guys continue to spout the same stuff over and over but are not stepping back and looking at the big picture here.... IT IS OVER WE ARE SCREWED.... You are playing right into the part that was created for you... instead of looking at what can be done and how you can  play a part in it you are standing on the side line pointing fingers at those trying to do something to change the path we are on.

There have been 2 topics posted about End the Fed Rallies and they have been all but ignored... and yet the threads bashing 3rd party voters has 6 pages... give me a break guys...

I have one question for you...
Do you want to sit on your hands and turn your nose up at those making an effort or do you want to make a difference yourself...

If the later is your answer then stop the BS and lets start threads about how we can get out of this mess we find ourselves in... never mind how we got here... we are here now how do we get out...

Matt

[Dee]

Well put Matt.