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A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« on: October 19, 2008, 12:28:42 PM »
I have always loved leveraction rifles and especially the Winchesters. I guess its all those cowboy movies one looked at as a little kid that have influenced me. The problem for me was that I was living in Scandinavia and not in the US so leveraction rifles are very rare and seldom used for hunting. The reason for this are mainly two, they are imported from the US and by this very expensive but the largest drawback is that they are chambered in very odd calibres.

I mean a calibre as the 7.62 x 51 (30-30 Win) cant be found in most gunshops and if one finds a dealer that can bring home a box for you it will be very expensive.

Anyway..

I still wanted a Winchester 94 but they they are hard to find here since not many of them are sold as new but the good side of this is that when a dealer has a rifle like this on the shelf it will be very inexpensive because its very hard to find a buyer for such a odd looking and working rifle.

In 2006 I got a little money over and I was about to make the dream of a Winchester come trough but then they had just stopped making them. At last I was prepared to buy this $1000 rifle and then - suddenly its not available any more.

So I had to start a quest to find a used one somewere. After months of search and dialing dealers all across the country I found one..

It was a used rifle of the model "Trails End" in very good condition, a little worn but not used much, as in not shot much - I was soon about to realize why..

The rifle was mine for just $250 (a quarter of the new rifle MSRP here in Sweden) but the dealer had no ammo for it to sell...

I was about to discover that it was chambered in a even more unusual calibre then 30-30, it was a 44 Magnum...

The 44 Mag is, as you know, a handgun round and handguns are VERY uncommon here. To own a handgun is very difficult and expensive so the market for those firearms and calibres are very limited indeed. Another day of making calls around the country was up. Finally I found a dealer about 63 miles away that had a box sitting on the shelf for years. The guy that ordered them forgot to renew his license for the revolver he owned and therefor lost it, with no future need for the round on order.

It was a 50 round box of Magtech for just $60 - a bargin.

At last I could actually use my rifle and began trying it out at our local range when getting a lot of attention from fellow shooters curious of this funny looking rifle. I was then on known as "that dude with the cowboy rifle". Most of the guys at the range had never seen a lever action rifle in real life. They deemed it antique since it had no provision for mounting a scope. Among the more common rifles such as Blaser R93, Sauer 202 and Tikka T3s with their plastic outfits it sure looked like an oldtimer from the 19:th century.

It was however quite accurate using only factory open sights and the 44 Mag had a lot of poke for being such a short round, most other guys here use the 6 x 55, 30-06 or 9.3 x 62 that are way longer but they were anyway very impressed by the sheer torque of the 44 Mag. The only thing I didn't like was the loud report of it. Over here almost everybody uses sound moderators on their rifles to lessen the bang but this was not possible for my rifle so I was very happy when I learned that there is a more quiet version of the 44 Magnum around, known as 44 Special.

The downside of this discovery was that most dealers had not heard about this round and far less of them had actually seen one of those in real life. After calling around yet again (getting used to this now) nobody have them in stock so now I realize I have to handload them instead.

Now I wont bore you with more chat about this, what I wanted to say (that became a long rant) is that I'm very happy about this fine rifle - a Win 94 AE Trails End made in the year 2000 and I have also added a XS Ghostsight ordered all the way from the US.

I really look forward to start handloading some rounds to try out a combination of ammunition that will give my rifle optimal performance. One 44 Mag load for hunting and one 44 Special load for plinking will be good enough for me.

When I have got everything working as it should and when I feel confidant in this rifle I will try to use it for hunting too.

Sorry to say my Government view handgun cartridges as inferior for use as hunting rounds and the 44 Mag is limited to animals of the maximum size of 35 kg (60 lbs), making Roe Deer the largest game I can harvest with it. Larger animals as elk, moose or wild hogs are off the limit for what the Government views as just a tiny handgun cartridge. BTW the 357 Mag is seen as equally powerful and the 6.5 x 55 is legal for everything including brown bear and moose.

I have a good respect for the 6.5  x 55 but I bet that the 44 Mag with hard cast 300 gn Keith style bullet travelling in 1500 fps would make the job done even with the largest moose in those close quarters (up to 100 yards) that most mooses are hunted.

Thanks for reading and happy safe shooting out there...

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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 03:06:51 PM »
Welcome to GBO, and thanks for the story.  We may complain at times about gun laws and availability, but we have it made in comparison.  Enjoy your levergun.
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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 03:11:01 PM »
Man you really need to move to the US.
Just think of all the fun guns you could have, and all of the money you could save!
Well I take that last part back.
I live here and am always spending to much on guns.  :-\
At least I got the first part about all of the fun right!  :D
Good to hear from gun loving folks from all over the world.


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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 10:01:01 PM »
You're right, with proper bullets the .44 mag, especially out of a rifle, is far superior to the great 6.5X55, out to 100 meters or so, even on moose.
I know the .444 Marlin is fairly popular over there, pity the .44 isn't.
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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 01:17:36 AM »
Reading stories such as yours about how difficult it is in other countries to do what we take so much for granted here really is amazing at times. In the US you'd likely find .44 Magnum ammo on the shelf of any store that sells ammo and likely a fairly good selection of it.

As to your government's view on the power of the round it has been used in handguns to take every creature that walks the earth today I suppose. It's been used here in the US to take all big game available and the same can be said for African game all the way up to and including the big five. The rifle adds a bit more velocity but that really isn't needed for it to be effective. Fed 300-325 grain hard cast bullets it's perfectly capable of killing anything that walks or flies on earth today. It likely would have done OK on dinosaurs of old as well if you placed the bullet properly.


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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 02:06:46 AM »
Strange thing, how geography and attitude can skew perspective.  Over here, a .44 Mag levergun is a rather common sight, and proven quite effective.

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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 02:12:37 AM »
The US is indeed unique in your right to bear and keep arms but you must protect it or loose it, just take a look on Finland.

By history they had a very relaxed policy on handguns but since they had two school shootings recently everything have turned and now they are voting about if they should ban all civilian ownership for handguns or not.

Its a real turnaround in just a single year...

Gun ownership is otherwise no issue here in Sweden and statistics speak for a further use of them in present way:

* 9 milion people living in Sweden
* 2.1 milion legal firearms
* 650.000 legal owners of firearms
* 100 murders each year
* 15-17 of these involve firearms
* 1-2 of these involve legal firearms

In other words, a legal firearm used by its legal owner makes up for about one or two deaths every year and this can compare to 35 deaths on motorcycles (540 total deaths in traffic), 20 people drowned and 8000 people dying from smoking and related illness.

To own a rifle like a Win 94 in 30-30 (or 44 Mag) here in Sweden require a special education. This education will take 20 weeks to complete when one study 3 hours one evening each week, in total 60 hours. Then there is a written test with 60 questions (A, B or C answers), at least 50 must be correct to pass the test. The test include subjects like knowledge of different guns, safe gun handling, rules and laws regarding firearms and questions about animal, hunting and wildlife. When this is done there is also a few practical tests to do at the shooting range.

There one must present good marksmanship, hitting special targets on given distances and also prove good gun handling and safe use of firearms meanwhile doing the tests.

If everthing goes as it should the student receives his Hunters Exam and by having one of those one can apply for a firearms certificate at the local police office. The exam is valid for life but a firearms certificate can be revoked if the owner is found guilty to crime or fall into mental illness.

A basic firearm certificate is valid for 4 firearms of own choice up to 2000 ft/lbs ME, more powerful rifles or shotguns require special permits as they are seen as dangerous firearms attractive for criminals.



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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 03:13:19 AM »
I appreciate what you've gone through - isn't it amazing, the hoops we all jump through, to get what we want ?

BTW -[They deemed it antique since it had no provision for mounting a scope.]

Your rifle is a Model 94AE, the "AE" meaning Angle Eject, a modification of the basic design meant for EZ scope mounting.

I don't know about a trail's End model, but most AE's left the factory drilled & tapped (and the holes plugged with filler screws) for Weaver scope bases - atop the front receiver ring and atop the rear end of each side of the receiver siderail, near the locking bolt.

On of my rifles is also a .44 Magnum, but it's a Marlin - that I've scoped in the Scout style, with the intermediate eye relief scope (pistol scope) in a position ahead of the receiver, using the XS LeverScout mount.


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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 08:53:18 AM »
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On of my rifles is also a .44 Magnum, but it's a Marlin - that I've scoped in the Scout style, with the intermediate eye relief scope (pistol scope) in a position ahead of the receiver, using the XS LeverScout mount.

I tried to scope the rifle with a normal telescopic sight since the rifle is predrilled for two Weaverbases, this is how it looked:










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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 08:02:14 AM »
The Hornady reloading Manual has a really good load recipe using IMR 4227 powder with 240 grain XTP hollow points. I use them out of a Marlin 44 lever action and they are very accurate. I wish I could find that gun for 250 over here.

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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 09:25:35 PM »
Any time you want to bring it to Germany, I'll double your money on it...


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Re: A really odd rifle - Winchester 44 Magnum
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2008, 11:02:38 AM »

Update: A dealer who carry reloading material for the 44 Mag/Spec have been found and my reloading tool (Classic Lee Loader) is on its way from the US.

The dealer have Vithavouri gunpowder, Remington brass, HN bullets and different kind of primers.

I didn't feel comfortable with a scope on the rifle so now I have changed it to a XS Ghostsight instead, the slot for the original rear sight will be covered.