3rd party discussion

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i  don't  want  this  to  be  a  HEATED  discussion  like  i  have  so  much  fun  with

I  DON'T  WANT  ANY ONE  NOT  TO  VOTE  AGAINST OBAMA   NOW OR  SUGGEST  IT HERE

  but  it  is  painfully  obvious  that  some  party  needs to  rise  up  to  defeat  the  REPUBLICRATS

just  a  discussion  of  the  pros  and  cons  of  other parties

positions  held  by  or  almost  won  by  other  parties

even   post  links  to  weirdo  parties

[deltecs]

i  don't  want  this  to  be  a  HEATED  discussion  like  i  have  so  much  fun  with

I  DON'T  WANT  ANY ONE  NOT  TO  VOTE  AGAINST OBAMA   NOW OR  SUGGEST  IT HERE

  but  it  is  painfully  obvious  that  some  party  needs to  rise  up  to  defeat  the  REPUBLICRATS

just  a  discussion  of  the  pros  and  cons  of  other parties

positions  held  by  or  almost  won  by  other  parties

even   post  links  to  weirdo  parties

Only after the election in 2008.  No third party candidate is even remotely possible to be elected this election.  So, it is logical to vote for the candidate more inline with my basis political philosophy than the opposite.  I will no dispute the problems between left and right wing philosphies at this current time, though some or most may be more discriptive and accurate among third party voters.   My basis of "drain the swamp" type mentality mandates a vote for McCain/Palin.

[ms]

Just get over it I'm voting third party I think anyone voting rep or dem don't love there country.   

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MS  can  you describe  your  party   here???

[lrs]

Just get over it I'm voting third party I think anyone voting rep or dem don't love there country.  

Your statement is deranged and of ill thought.

Fact:
Obama is the most radical left wing presidential nominee we have ever had.  His friends and associates are left wing nut jobs.  He has long admired and followed American haters such as Rev Wright and Bill Ayers.  He is likely a closet muslim, and may not even be a naturalized US citizen.  He is obviously being supported by people who hate this country.
He poses the largest risk to the exercise of our freedoms since the founding of this country.  He is a communist, a socialist. 

I believe that if Obama wins, we WILL have civil war.

John McCain is a liberal, and would have been one of my least favorite nominees.  But he's not evil.  I think he is competent enough to do the job. 
On the issues, we will only have to call Washington once every couple of weeks to express outrage with McCain. 
With bo, I think we might be forced to defend ourselves in an armed, all out war.

We do need another party, but voting for a 3rd party at this time is a strategic error.

[nw_hunter]

Just get over it I'm voting third party I think anyone voting rep or dem don't love there country.   

Your statement is deranged and of ill thought.

Fact:
Obama is the most radical left wing presidential nominee we have ever had.  His friends and associates are left wing nut jobs.  He has long admired and followed American haters such as Rev Wright and Bill Ayers.  He is likely a closet muslim, and may not even be a naturalized US citizen.  He is obviously being supported by people who hate this country.
He poses the largest risk to the exercise of our freedoms since the founding of this country.  He is a communist, a socialist. 

I believe that if Obama wins, we WILL have civil war.

John McCain is a liberal, and would have been one of my least favorite nominees.  But he's not evil.  I think he is competent enough to do the job. 
On the issues, we will only have to call Washington once every couple of weeks to express outrage with McCain. 
With bo, I think we might be forced to defend ourselves in an armed, all out war.

We do need another party, but voting for a 3rd party at this time is a strategic error.

The old lesser of the two evil mindset is what brought this once great country of ours down to third world status.

Try this on for size!.........Vote for a good man! If there's none running, then write in (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
If you think there is a difference between McCan't and O"Lama, your living in fantasy land.

[deltecs]

I hate to inform you that there is a difference between McCain and Obama, even if it was only one thing.  McCain is more pro 2nd Amendment than Obama.  Maybe not by much, but there is a difference and it is the difference that decided my vote.  I won't waste my vote to a third party candidate with more pro 2nd policies just to end up with a President completely anti firearms with a supporting Congress.

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this  is not  to discuss  VOTING 3rd  party  but  to  discuss  the  merits  of  3rd  party platforms


THE  NEXT  PRESIDENT  WILL  BE  OBAMA  OR  MCCAIN   if  your  betting  different    your  stupid


so  far  no one  has  even  named  a  3rd party

don't  make  yourself  look  dumb  and  declare you are  thowing  away  a  chance  to help stop  OBAMA

try  to   grasp  the  concept  of  developing  an  alternative  party with out  helping  OBAMA by  wasting  your vote

i   know  i can't  spell and  fairly  illiterate but  some of you need to take some  math classes  in  probabilities

[Hooker]

I am thinking that the Constitution Party  most represents me.
 http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Bring%20Government%20Back%20Home

Third parties need to work harder to get their candidates and their platforms in to the public eye. The most important thing is to break the nut case stigma that comes to most folks minds when they hear about these third party entities.
We have to break the GOP/DNC monopoly with in this country it wont be easy.
So many folks are party follower even though they are not happy with where their party is taking this country.

Pat

[Heather]

I've been leading toward the constitution party myself.  It is obviously too late to make a difference this election, but we have 4 years to start preparing for the next.  This election and the state of our current affairs have led me to the conclusion that SOMETHING serious has to be done if we want to restore our country to the way our founding fathers laid it out.  It is obvious that no Democrat and very few Republicans are the answer.  Quiet opposite they are the problem.  The main barrier in changing our Government is our people.  They don't have the faith in themselves that they can make a difference.  My goal over the next four years is to instill a desire for real change and the faith that it is possible into as many people as I can.  Maybe 4 years from now our conversation at this point involves how our 3rd party candidate is going to make history.  Complaining isn't going to do any good if you are only complaining on forums.  Get out there and really make a difference.  We have the power if we'll just use it.

Heather

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heather    you  can't  do  it  in  4  years  either

but  you  are  in a  position  of  influence  now

you  are  a  coach  and  when your  players  are  of  voting  age  ....maybe

the  school  systems  are  controlled  by  the democrats  and  socialist

that  is  why  OBAMA  has  such  a  big  base  of  young  people

PERSISTENCE  IS  THE  ONLY  WAY

[nw_hunter]

this  is not  to discuss  VOTING 3rd  party  but  to  discuss  the  merits  of  3rd  party platforms


THE  NEXT  PRESIDENT  WILL  BE  OBAMA  OR  MCCAIN   if  your  betting  different    your  stupid


so  far  no one  has  even  named  a  3rd party

don't  make  yourself  look  dumb  and  declare you are  thowing  away  a  chance  to help stop  OBAMA

try  to   grasp  the  concept  of  developing  an  alternative  party with out  helping  OBAMA by  wasting  your vote

i   know  i can't  spell and  fairly  illiterate but  some of you need to take some  math classes  in  probabilities

I live in Oregon, and we vote by mail. My ballot came last Saturday, and I've voted already.
There were three independent choices along with the powers that be candidates McCant and O"bummer.

The three were, Bob Barr (Libertarian) Barr is a good man, a one time Republican congressman from Ga, Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party) "My Choice, and Old run again Ralph Nader.

I know some of you think I tossed my vote to Obama by doing this and you are full of it!
I use  to think the same way, and one day woke up and realized this is how the owners of the players work the system. Regardless of the outcome of the election "They Win"

They don't care which one wins, because they are bought and paid for anyway, and the sheeple just don't know any better!

[Graybeard]

i  don't  want  this  to  be  a  HEATED  discussion

Then you REALLY shouldn't have posted a thread about politics here as that's absolutely guaranteed to end up in a heated debate before it's over.

As to third parties I think what we really need most are replacements for the top two we have not another.    Both have gone off the deep end and sold out to big money and I really don't think there is any turning them around they really just need to be ended.

I always thought I'd like to join or establish a party called The Constitution Party but someone beat me to it. Sadly it isn't about the Constitution except in name only kinda like the other two we've had for so long. Someone a few days back posted the platform for this party and any discussion of the US Constitution or anything in it was down below the half way point of the various planks of that platform as I recall.

The first ones were merely the vote producers among the strongly conservation religious crowd and had nothing to do with the US Constitution. They picked the name for its value only and not for any views or values they have.

I've looked over what the Libertarian Party seems to be about and don't believe I can or could support them any better than the two front runners.

Nope I really don't think there is one out there that has my values very high in mind or those of the general populace in this country and for sure none that value the US Constitution highly and which wants to return to the way the founding fathers envisioned this country should be run.

[Dixie Dude]

The only way a 3rd party can compete on a national level is for it to start locally.  Work for and elect local school board members, city council members, mayors.  Then work up to state representatives and senators, then work up to US congress and senate.  Then finally president.  This would take years, but it has been shown if only 3% of the people get serious, they can control 50% of the vote.  This is what is now called "community organizing".  Most people don't even vote in primary's, but you have several choices there within one party. 

[Troyboy]

What we need is an independant running for America. A party that has the core beliefs of what that means.A party that has the commoners best intrest. HMMM is there such a party?


                                                 Troy

[powderman]

HEATHER. Good post, you surprised me. 
nwhunter. If you voted for a man you KNEW had no chance of winning, instead of the only man with a chance of winning, Mccain, then YES, you did help osama. When osama sends his goons to collect your hunting rifle, or taxes your ammo at 1000%, you can smile to yourself and be proud that you helped him get into power.
ms. Save gas, stay home, same difference. POWDERMAN.   

[lrs]

I've been leading toward the constitution party myself.  It is obviously too late to make a difference this election, but we have 4 years to start preparing for the next.  This election and the state of our current affairs have led me to the conclusion that SOMETHING serious has to be done if we want to restore our country to the way our founding fathers laid it out.  It is obvious that no Democrat and very few Republicans are the answer.  Quiet opposite they are the problem.  The main barrier in changing our Government is our people.  They don't have the faith in themselves that they can make a difference.  My goal over the next four years is to instill a desire for real change and the faith that it is possible into as many people as I can.  Maybe 4 years from now our conversation at this point involves how our 3rd party candidate is going to make history.  Complaining isn't going to do any good if you are only complaining on forums.  Get out there and really make a difference.  We have the power if we'll just use it.

Heather

Very good post.  I certainly agree.

[nw_hunter]

HEATHER. Good post, you surprised me. 
nwhunter. If you voted for a man you KNEW had no chance of winning, instead of the only man with a chance of winning, Mccain, then YES, you did help osama. When osama sends his goons to collect your hunting rifle, or taxes your ammo at 1000%, you can smile to yourself and be proud that you helped him get into power.
ms. Save gas, stay home, same difference. POWDERMAN.   

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When osama sends his goons to collect your hunting rifle, or taxes your ammo at 1000%, you can smile to yourself and be proud that you helped him get into power.
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McCain has already sent the goon squad to Oregon to chip away our gun rights!
After McCain ran against GW in his last primary, and lost, he came to Oregon and helped the liberals here to pass a so called Loop hole law at our gun shows. Now you can't buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. Go to the GOA web site, and see what they think of him What makes you think he won't continue that commitment if he is elected? And we both know, he and B.O. will do nothing to close the gaping hole on our southern border. Go ahead and vote for McCant! Nothing will change for the better with either piece of manure at the helm.

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hooker     thanks  for  posting  that  link  i  looked  it  over

they  seem  alot  like the  libertarian party...at  first  glance

i  have  been  registered libertarian  for  about  20  years

we   had 135  libertarians  in  our  county  last time  i  checked

5  constitution party  members

about  50  thousand  republicans

23 thousand  democrats

eleven hundred   no  party affiliation [ i think ]
and 500 independent party  [ i  think ]

my  son  registered  and  they  ask  about  a party  he  said  independent  meaning  "no party affiliation"
so  the  signed  him  up  for   "the  independent  party"
i  wonder  how  many  others  like  him

we  have   people  on  the  ballot  in  the  next  county
and  some one  in  office  2 counties  over


is   there  any  thing  any  one  has a  problem  with  my  party of  choice???

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nw  hunter  we are  dicussing  3rd  party  here

your  so  stupid  you  think  MCCAIN OBAMA AND  BUSH  fit  that  discription

why  don't  you  just  start  your  own  thread

call  it  "lets  bash  bush  and  mccain......help  obama win"



just  learned  to  modify a post and  suggested  i do so, because i was  too  rude
rather  than  change anything  i  ask  you  accept  appology  below
it  was  posted  before  i  got  the call.....tim

[DalesCarpentry]

HEATHER. Good post, you surprised me. 
nwhunter. If you voted for a man you KNEW had no chance of winning, instead of the only man with a chance of winning, Mccain, then YES, you did help osama. When osama sends his goons to collect your hunting rifle, or taxes your ammo at 1000%, you can smile to yourself and be proud that you helped him get into power.
ms. Save gas, stay home, same difference. POWDERMAN.   

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When osama sends his goons to collect your hunting rifle, or taxes your ammo at 1000%, you can smile to yourself and be proud that you helped him get into power.
****************************************
McCain has already sent the goon squad to Oregon to chip away our gun rights!
After McCain ran against GW in his last primary, and lost, he came to Oregon and helped the liberals here to pass a so called Loop hole law at our gun shows. Now you can't buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. Go to the GOA web site, and see what they think of him What makes you think he won't continue that commitment if he is elected? And we both know, he and B.O. will do nothing to close the gaping hole on our southern border. Go ahead and vote for McCant! Nothing will change for the better with either piece of manure at the helm.

NW Hunter. Do you have something to hide? I have no problem with a back ground check!!!!!!!! I don't want firearms in the hands of criminal's. I have no problem passing the check, how about you? Dale

[nw_hunter]

i  don't  want  this  to  be  a  HEATED  discussion

Then you REALLY shouldn't have posted a thread about politics here as that's absolutely guaranteed to end up in a heated debate before it's over.

As to third parties I think what we really need most are replacements for the top two we have not another.    Both have gone off the deep end and sold out to big money and I really don't think there is any turning them around they really just need to be ended.

I always thought I'd like to join or establish a party called The Constitution Party but someone beat me to it. Sadly it isn't about the Constitution except in name only kinda like the other two we've had for so long. Someone a few days back posted the platform for this party and any discussion of the US Constitution or anything in it was down below the half way point of the various planks of that platform as I recall.

The first ones were merely the vote producers among the strongly conservation religious crowd and had nothing to do with the US Constitution. They picked the name for its value only and not for any views or values they have.

I've looked over what the Libertarian Party seems to be about and don't believe I can or could support them any better than the two front runners.

Nope I really don't think there is one out there that has my values very high in mind or those of the general populace in this country and for sure none that value the US Constitution highly and which wants to return to the way the founding fathers envisioned this country should be run.

If you read the entire preamble of the Constitution party, I don't see how you could find a better Representative of the Constitution.

Some might be turned off by their stance on the right to life, and not the mothers right to chose.
If you believe in the mothers right to chose, then the C. party is not for you.

You might be at odds with Chuck Baldwin being an independent Baptist preacher.
The Republican party ran a former Baptist minister (Mike Huckabee) in the primaries
And a Mormon, with pro life views.

I'm scratching my head Greybeard! I don't see how the Constitution party could not represent you.
Their Preamble is almost a copy of the Constitution. What am I missing here?

[Dixie Dude]

Some people want to buy guns without a background check from individual owners, not the dealers.  That way if the government ever decides to take up the guns, that person will not have a paper trail.  And if they did buy one with a background check, only that gun would have to be confiscated.  Under marshal law, the constitutional rights go out the window.  Some people in NO after Katrina, had their guns confiscated, and have never got them back.  The government "lost" them.  

[nw_hunter]

HEATHER. Good post, you surprised me. 
nwhunter. If you voted for a man you KNEW had no chance of winning, instead of the only man with a chance of winning, Mccain, then YES, you did help osama. When osama sends his goons to collect your hunting rifle, or taxes your ammo at 1000%, you can smile to yourself and be proud that you helped him get into power.
ms. Save gas, stay home, same difference. POWDERMAN.   

******************************
When osama sends his goons to collect your hunting rifle, or taxes your ammo at 1000%, you can smile to yourself and be proud that you helped him get into power.
****************************************
McCain has already sent the goon squad to Oregon to chip away our gun rights!
After McCain ran against GW in his last primary, and lost, he came to Oregon and helped the liberals here to pass a so called Loop hole law at our gun shows. Now you can't buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. Go to the GOA web site, and see what they think of him What makes you think he won't continue that commitment if he is elected? And we both know, he and B.O. will do nothing to close the gaping hole on our southern border. Go ahead and vote for McCant! Nothing will change for the better with either piece of manure at the helm.

NW Hunter. Do you have something to hide? I have no problem with a back ground check!!!!!!!! I don't want firearms in the hands of criminal's. I have no problem passing the check, how about you? Dale

You don't have a clue do you?
I own several guns purchased from dealers that went through a background check.
They now require private citizens to do the background checks at gun shows in Oregon, and you dam right I oppose it! TheyJust keep chipping away at our rights!! Soon a background will be required to buy a gun from your Brother, or Father,or as a gift and you think that is a good law and will keep them out of hands of criminals? Have another drink !

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your  right  there  NW  hunter

they  worry  about gun  shows  where  every  thing  is out in the  open

ATFE  walking  around  and  usually  have  their  own  table too  in  Florida

they  think  all  these  guns  are  being  sold   illegally  and  there  is  a  "gun show loophole"

then  they  forget  a  crack  dealer  can  just  trade  some product for  a stolen  gun
without  any  restrictions

or  some  of  us  just  buy  out  of  the  news  paper with out  restrictions


back  to  the subject
the  constitution party  seems  to  fit  most  of  you  here
but  the  libertarians  have  a better  head start  here

and  if  my  daughter were  raped  and  pregnant  and  consider  the  worst
i  would  kill  my  grand  child  if  that's  what she  wanted
and  i  don't  it  is  the governments  business

if    this  is  an  irreconcilable  difference     then  the  republicrats  win

nw hunter sorry  i  was  so  hard  on  you......working  on  being  calm     lol

[DalesCarpentry]

I certainly have a clue. That is not what you represented in post #17. You made it sound like all sales between a FFL and a buyer had to go through a back ground check, witch I agree with. I still think you meet a guy at a gun show and he wants to sell you a gun it should still go through a FFL because you don't know that guy from Adam and he could have killed a guy with that gun 10 minutes before selling it to you. So in my opion it would be best to have a paper trail to show the cops when your gun ends up being the gun that killed some guy down the block. As far as my drinking goes I think I have a better handle on life than you do without drinking!!!!!!!!!! Dale

[Heather]

The only way a 3rd party can compete on a national level is for it to start locally.  Work for and elect local school board members, city council members, mayors.  Then work up to state representatives and senators, then work up to US congress and senate.  Then finally president.  This would take years, but it has been shown if only 3% of the people get serious, they can control 50% of the vote.  This is what is now called "community organizing".  Most people don't even vote in primary's, but you have several choices there within one party. 

I want to start the Revolutionary party.  Our slogan would be: Restores our freedoms with a commonsense policy.  We would stand for small government, strict interpretation of the constitution, limited foreign policy, restoring and protecting the rights and responsibilities of the individuals, and restoring states rights and responsibilities. 

Heather

[torpedoman]

The old lesser of the two evil mindset is what brought this once great country of ours down to third world status.

Try this on for size!.........Vote for a good man! If there's none running, then write in (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
If you think there is a difference between McCan't and O"Lama, your living in fantasy land.

[/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you can't see the difference between a raghat terrorist associate and a man that served honorably then You have a problem

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TORPEDOMAN    your  so  bright  what  3rd  party  do  MCCAIN  OR  OBAMA   belong  to??

the  subject  is  3rd  party's

can  you  name  ONE  and  what  it  stands  for  and  what  offices  it  has  held?

do  you  actually  think their  is  no  difference?

how  old  are  you??

what  is your  educational   and  socioeconomic  back ground?

you  don't  see  the  difference  between  a gun grabbing liberal  American  hero like  MCCAIN
and  a gun  banning Marxist  election  stealing  Muslim  like  OBAMA?

it  is  the  lessor  of  2  evils  and   will  take  at  least a generation  probly  to  make  real  change
and  right  now  we  are  rowing  against  the  tide

[nw_hunter]

your  right  there  NW  hunter

they  worry  about gun  shows  where  every  thing  is out in the  open

ATFE  walking  around  and  usually  have  their  own  table too  in  Florida

they  think  all  these  guns  are  being  sold   illegally  and  there  is  a  "gun show loophole"

then  they  forget  a  crack  dealer  can  just  trade  some product for  a stolen  gun
without  any  restrictions

or  some  of  us  just  buy  out  of  the  news  paper with out  restrictions


back  to  the subject
the  constitution party  seems  to  fit  most  of  you  here
but  the  libertarians  have  a better  head start  here

and  if  my  daughter were  raped  and  pregnant  and  consider  the  worst
i  would  kill  my  grand  child  if  that's  what she  wanted
and  i  don't  it  is  the governments  business

if    this  is  an  irreconcilable  difference     then  the  republicrats  win

nw hunter sorry  i  was  so  hard  on  you......working  on  being  calm     lol

LOL! I have work at that myself