Islam?

[DalesCarpentry]

Your experience with Muslims has been different from mine.  The ones I've met have all been EXTREMELY happy to be OUT of the mid-east and AWAY from the radicals.  Their women still wear their head scarfs, and they pray to Mecca, but apart from that they're red-blooded Americans and wave the flag with just as much enthusiasm as anyone I've ever met.

Of course I'm sure Billy was listening in on their super-secret meeting where they were cutting the heads off of bald eagles and will soon be along to ask me why I hate America.   

That is what is called sleeper cells. Dale

[powderman]

TRIBREADY. Good post, I agree.
Kev. You seem to forget that the Godless scum who flew the planes on 9-11-01 were living here, good muslims it seemed. Several lived in Fla for over 3 years, just everyday folks, good muslims. They had an agenda, a plan to murder innocents, they did that. Point is they were supposed to be good muslims, even had American girlfriends. I've lost 2 neices to that Godless cult. They are no longer welcome in my home, or my property, they can never be trusted again. I still love them, but want nothing to do with them. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Your experience with Muslims has been different from mine.  The ones I've met have all been EXTREMELY happy to be OUT of the mid-east and AWAY from the radicals.  Their women still wear their head scarfs, and they pray to Mecca, but apart from that they're red-blooded Americans and wave the flag with just as much enthusiasm as anyone I've ever met.

Of course I'm sure Billy was listening in on their super-secret meeting where they were cutting the heads off of bald eagles and will soon be along to ask me why I hate America.  
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Well talking to Mohammed at the local Quick Mart surely don't make yo an expert om Muslims. You need to see these animals in thier natural state. Go amongst them in there land and they will be a different beast. Ya know if your ignorance of these animals would only cause harm to you and youur family I would have no problem with it. Problem is your ingnorance will canse harm to my family also that is something I have a problem with. The ones here that are ACTING so nice in peaceful will be the ones planting bombs and killing when the time comes. They are sleeper cells and mark my word they are only ACTING nice and peaceful.

[kevthebassman]

Did it ever occur to you folks that the ones over here left their country BECAUSE of the radical ones?  Your claims that the only way I know any Muslims is by talking to the 7-11 clerk is absurd, you don't know me or my personal life.  I'll have you know that I worked among Bosnians for years, and had several in college classes.  They were Muslim, and they LOVED this country.

If all the 2+ million Muslims in this country were as you say, 9-11 would never have ended, we'd still be fighting a war in this country.  Clearly though, that's not the case.

You fellows with your closed minded hatred of anyone and everyone with brown skin and a different religion is impossible to debate.  I hope you don't teach your kids that kind of hate.

[SHOOTALL]

kev yea that thought passed thru. my mind but if one looks at history it is easy to see that they come to weaken and take over .

[kevthebassman]

kev yea that thought passed thru. my mind but if one looks at history it is easy to see that they come to weaken and take over .

On what do you base your conclusion?

[SHOOTALL]

The spread of Islam , check out the history .  They have been beaten back several times in war over 100's of years  but seem to take over from with in .
To underestimate a foe is to aid their cause . Do you believe the guys on the planes came here to escape their country ? Look at some of the countries around the world , France , England ,Denmark etc. all have gained a large Islamic population and the political landscape has changed there . BTW you looked at our pres. race ?

[Heather]

I wish I to could have a closed simple mind.  Things aren't as black and white as you would like to paint them.  Not all Muslims are bad just like not all Christians are good.  You take the good and bad with any race or religion.  In my opinion we are not fighting a religious war or even a war on terrorism as the gov and media would have you believe.  We are fighting a war for oil control, money, and power.  Do I think that the Islamic people as a whole would leave us alone if we got the hell off of their land?  Yes!  Do I think the radicals will?  Well no, but is it right to punish a whole race for the actions of a few?   If left alone would people of Muslim faith be peaceful and tolerant of other religions?  Well we will never know because oil, money, and power outrank what is right in today's society.   

Heather

[SHOOTALL]

To believe that a religion that states its purpose is to take control of the world is not going to do so seems well closed minded to me . And no all Muslims aren't bad but how do you know ? Is it not the Christian goal to do the same ? maybe non violent but still ! now do you think there will be no friction ? One day we will all have to pick a side !
There is a story in the BIBLE about thirsty solders ( note you don't need to be a believer to see the importance of the lesson ) . When they got to the water some went head first right in with total disregard for anything else while others kept a look out and cupped their hand to bring water to their mouth . Those that kept a look out were kept the others sent home . I don't want to be sent home !
religious war , look again ! We won WW2 in the factories and defeated The USSR the same way they are attacking us on the financial side .
No I'm not closed minded just cup my hand to drink , keeps my face from getting all wet !
Dive in if you like we will watch your back , just don't make it to hard for us .

[billy_56081]

Did it ever occur to you folks that the ones over here left their country BECAUSE of the radical ones?  Your claims that the only way I know any Muslims is by talking to the 7-11 clerk is absurd, you don't know me or my personal life.  I'll have you know that I worked among Bosnians for years, and had several in college classes.  They were Muslim, and they LOVED this country.

If all the 2+ million Muslims in this country were as you say, 9-11 would never have ended, we'd still be fighting a war in this country.  Clearly though, that's not the case.

You fellows with your closed minded hatred of anyone and everyone with brown skin and a different religion is impossible to debate.  I hope you don't teach your kids that kind of hate.

Seeing a tiger behind the glass at a zoo does not make you an expert on tigers. As I said I lived amongst the tigers in Saudi Arabia, I think I have a little better feel of what these animals are planning than you. As I said I could care less what happens to you and your family because of your alliances with the terrorists, but your actions will definitly affect me and mine and that is where I draw the line. BTW my kids both have a very healthy fear of the Muslim animals as both are serving in the military at this time. My hope is when they are deployed they see the muslims as the animals they are and do not hesitate to pull the trigger as hesitation is fatal in combat.

[SHOOTALL]

Billy i think we waste our words . They see the world as they wish it could be not as it is !
I get so tired of the lib. BS on the same news as the killing . They can't see what is going on in the same room much less on the other side of the world !

[Troyboy]

what is hard to understand is the excuses that are made for islam.actions speak louder than words. actions have spoken. let those that perpatrated these crimes against humanity accept responsibility.It's not me you or the government. it is islam. read their manifisto before any more of this blaming everybody else is stated then explain what good is. hindu,buddist, catholic,christian,athiest,satanist,pegan, just to name a few do not strap on bombs and kill others because they do not believe. Would you make the same excuses for the nazi war machine that murded so many non believers.



                                                       Troy

[kevthebassman]

what is hard to understand is the excuses that are made for islam.actions speak louder than words. actions have spoken. let those that perpatrated these crimes against humanity accept responsibility.It's not me you or the government. it is islam. read their manifisto before any more of this blaming everybody else is stated then explain what good is. hindu,buddist, catholic,christian,athiest,satanist,pegan, just to name a few do not strap on bombs and kill others because they do not believe. Would you make the same excuses for the nazi war machine that murded so many non believers.



                                                       Troy

That's a load of bull, troyboy.  Do you remember what happened in Ireland?  Catholics killing protestants.  Civil war in England; Protestants killing Catholics.  Spanish Inquisition; Catholics killing everyone else.  Lets not forget the Crusades as well.

The Abrahamic religions, by their very nature, are expansionist and violent.  They always have been, and they likely always will be.  Look at you lot, calling for the wholesale slaughter of a fifth of the world's population simply because they happen to belong to the same faith as some terrorists.  You think the fact that you do your killing with airplanes makes you morally pure?

Billy, a warzone is a miserable place to take in the good points of a culture, and gulf war 1 was extremely bad in that you never got to spend time with the people you liberated.  The Saudis didn't want you there, and I'd be willing to bet that the only Iraqis you met were bloated corpses or desperate conscripts with their hands in the air.

My friends in the current Iraq war have developed deep bonds with the Iraqi people, the Iraqi soldiers that are currently fighting with them are a tougher and more reliable bunch than they were 2 years ago, and are well liked by our guys.  Our guys especially like the children in Iraq, and give to them generously. 

Why do you think that our guys believe so deeply in our mission over there?  If they saw the Iraqis as barbarous zealots, they wouldn't be so keen to sacrifice themselves for the well-being of the Iraqis, now would they?

If all Muslims were blood-thirsty America-haters, wouldn't Iraq be a hellish and insane no-man's-land with millions of Muslims coming from all over the world for the privilege of throwing themselves into the teeth of American machine gun nests?

The simple fact is, Muslims are just like Christians.  Some are hard-core zealots who will stop at nothing to accomplish their goal of spreading the faith.  Some of them LOVE America and want to live here or help our troops in any way they can.  Most of them simply want to be left alone to live their lives.

Despite the best efforts of insane old xenophobes like Billy, Powderman, Shootall, etc, not even our soldiers in the field lump all Muslims into one category.  If they did, my friends in Iraq wouldn't be asking me to send them toys, crayons, and kid's clothing and shoes.

[powderman]

kev. Few, if any, of the Godless ones living here want to be American, kinda like the illegals. They just want to set up their own little baghdads or tijuanas and force Americans to adapt to them, instead of the way it should be. They intend to force islam on the world. Islam is a fast growing cancer and should be treated as such. POWDERMAN. 

[kevthebassman]

kev. Few, if any, of the Godless ones living here want to be American, kinda like the illegals. They just want to set up their own little baghdads or tijuanas and force Americans to adapt to them, instead of the way it should be. They intend to force islam on the world. Islam is a fast growing cancer and should be treated as such. POWDERMAN. 

Your experience with Muslims living in the US is very different from mine.  Irregardless, I see no reason to let more people into this country, period.  This country in years past has limited immigration for many different reasons, and I see nothing wrong with limiting it now. 

I do not, however, think that we ought to go around bombing people just because they happen to worship a different god.

[powderman]

I certainly agree on limiting legal immigration, and believe we should totally stop the illegals with whatever it takes. POWDERMAN. 

[kevthebassman]

I certainly agree on limiting legal immigration, and believe we should totally stop the illegals with whatever it takes. POWDERMAN. 

Only a real socialist scumbag would disagree with that.

[billy_56081]

TM7 here you are babbling again and not knowing what you are talking about. The things i saw in Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with how I was treated. I am talking about how the religious police treated there own people. Again you try to add a little fact to a lie and present it as truth.

TM7 studying religion has nothing with living around the animals. That is you main problem in life you have to much theorising and not enough doing. Sadly your ignorance plays right into the hands of these cancerous cult followers. They are using you and others with the same cultural diversity ingnorance as pawns in this end game of world domination. If you were so "learned" in the religion you would know that there ultimate goal is an Islamic Caliphate contolling the world. How's that for your one world government huh?

[kevthebassman]

Billy there's a part of this post that's addressed to you.  In case you missed it:

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,154326.msg1098666336.html#msg1098666336

[billy_56081]

Kev, So your saying your experiance comes from what you were told by others and nothing you have done in life? As I have said before if your ignorace of what Islam is only caused death and terrorism to you and your family, I could care less. But sadly terrorist sympathisers such as yourself are a pawn in the terrorist's arsenal and are a danger to everyone. I guess if I had not been around the Muslims in there own environment, I might be silly enough to beleave these Muslim infitrators here were just "good" peole trying to escape the evil in there land. It's just too bad we have silly ignorant people here in the USA who are willing tools to these guys.


Oh and sorry Kev, I didn't mean to ignore you,. From your last post it appears that you felt a little left out.

[powderman]

BILLY. Tm knows their agenda, he's part of it. One lie after another, thats how they're raised. Lie to the infidels to gain their trust, infidels are us ya know. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

One only has to look at how they treat themselves to see the truth !

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[Singleshotsam]

I'm still cracking up at the Singlemuslim.com ads!

Billy, you have consistantly, repeatedly, harped on the fact that, Indeed, you've been to Saudi Arabia.  You've killed, you've maimed in a warzone bla bla bla...

I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed in the least.  I'm sure there MANY people on GBO that have had to kill in the name of their country.  I've talked to several of them myself, and you know what?  They are perfectly content in not talking about it.  Every Vet that I know personally, be it my Grandfather, my uncles, close personal friends, that have actually killed a man, or men, don't talk about it.  They all know there isn't anything rewarding that comes from it, they didn't think that it made them more of a man to do it.  They simply did what needed to be done and then shut up about it.  

Your doing so and then intentionally bragging about it only proves my opinion that those who do talk about it in the way you do, think it makes them better than somebody, or haven't actually done it themselves.  Your killing muslims doesn't make you any more of a hero, or expert, than the guy that went through basic and became a mechanic.  So as far as I am concerned, you can take that arguement and throw it out the window.  

  





 

[SHOOTALL]

Didn't say it was , just stayed on topic.
and Heather why throw the race card ? no one else did , they most likely come in all hues

[SHOOTALL]

singleshotsam,
who reads the ad ? the parents ! aren't weddings arranged in that part of the world ?

[Heather]

Didn't say it was , just stayed on topic.
and Heather why throw the race card ? no one else did , they most likely come in all hues

I was in no way referring to skin color, but I'm sure you knew that. 

Heather

[SHOOTALL]

I really didn't as you had refered to a religion as a race in at least two other post .
Please consider most are afraid of the teachings of a religion not a race of people !
If you take time to notice Islam has many races of people as followers .
It is important all see this or all the calling us closed minded means nothing as we would be debating different issues .

[Singleshotsam]

"singleshotsam,
who reads the ad ? the parents ! aren't weddings arranged in that part of the world ? "

I guess I didn't understand that post... Could you elaborate please?

[Heather]

"singleshotsam,
who reads the ad ? the parents ! aren't weddings arranged in that part of the world ? "

I guess I didn't understand that post... Could you elaborate please?

I think he is talking about the singlemuslim.com ad at the bottom of the page. It is a google ad so it changes a lot.

Heather