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Is This a Coup d' etat?
« on: October 22, 2008, 02:16:03 PM »
In regard to his birth certificate. 
He has the burden of proof to prove he is a US citizen. 
Suppose he does not produce the proof, but wins the election.
Suppose this is allowed to go unchecked.
Then we would have an illegal, illegitimate, would be commander in chief, occupying the oval office, supported by existing forces within our government.
Does that mean we have had a coup d' etat?
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2008, 02:32:56 PM »
In regard to his birth certificate. 
He has the burden of proof to prove he is a US citizen. 
Suppose he does not produce the proof, but wins the election.
Suppose this is allowed to go unchecked.
Then we would have an illegal, illegitimate, would be commander in chief, occupying the oval office, supported by existing forces within our government.
Does that mean we have had a coup d' etat?

No.  It means Obama must be impeached for non compliance with the US Constitution and violation of Oath of Office to uphold it.  If he is not a natural citizen, then he is in violation of the Constitution and Oath of Office to uphold.  Biden as VP would become the new President.  Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, is charged with the duty to vet all Presidential candidates as to Constitutional qualifications and would be in deep hot water for not doing her duty.  The same with Reid although not as much.  The DNC by supporting a candidate in violation of the Constitution would be in tatters with the fervor from opposition and possible legal actions.  It is possible that impeachment of Biden could occur also. 
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 02:43:46 PM »
Your response is articulate, and undoubtedly accurate.
But the impeachment proceeding would have to be conducted by congress, isn't that right?
If democrats control the house and senate, then it would be up to pelosi and reid.
You see what I'm getting at.
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 02:47:17 PM »
Your response is articulate, and undoubtedly accurate.
But the impeachment proceeding would have to be conducted by congress, isn't that right?
If democrats control the house and senate, then it would be up to pelosi and reid.
You see what I'm getting at.

Oh, I quite agree as the same thing happened with Clinton.  But this time it could be a SCOTUS decision.  If SCOTUS determined Obama not eligible to be President, Congress and the mass opposition would demand removal and retribution.  If that didn't happen, then your supposition could very well be accurate and most deadly.
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 02:54:47 PM »
i  have  a  bad  feeling  i  just   cancelled  my vacation

not  a  bad  idea  to stock  up  and  get  ready

and  if  every  thing  works  out  good  i  will  have fun  plannig
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 02:58:53 PM »
Your response is articulate, and undoubtedly accurate.
But the impeachment proceeding would have to be conducted by congress, isn't that right?
If democrats control the house and senate, then it would be up to pelosi and reid.
You see what I'm getting at.

Oh, I quite agree as the same thing happened with Clinton.  But this time it could be a SCOTUS decision.  If SCOTUS determined Obama not eligible to be President, Congress and the mass opposition would demand removal and retribution.  If that didn't happen, then your supposition could very well be accurate and most deadly.

Exactly.

That would be cut and dry, no gray area.
In my hypothetical, AND highly speculative scenario:
A major political party, the democrats, engineered and supported a coup.  
In the United States of America.
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 03:01:22 PM »
All of this is just supposing. I hope this is true nd I want it to be true. But I highly dought it will be proven true. I think that if it is proven true and Obama is removed from office there will be many uprisings and civil unrest, if not a complete race war within the urban centers where his support is coming from. 
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 03:13:21 PM »
 yep could be dark days ahead.. could very well be..well we spoiled anyway or hollywood would not have been able to con so many of us..
time for a little reality check ,i reckon..so fellas if freedom was meant  to be easy ,it wouldn t be so hard to hold on to..good luck
 

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 03:19:34 PM »
Regardless of what the outcome is this is going to be a bumpy ride for a long time.

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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 03:26:45 PM »
Regardless of what the outcome is this is going to be a bumpy ride for a long time.

Ain't that the truth.
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 03:51:13 PM »
my question is if this issue is truely in doubt, why isnt it being made a BIG deal by mccain? 

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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 04:02:17 PM »
We can only hope that someone is holding vital information that will bring Obama to a screeching halt before the big day.Can you imagine all the confusion it would bring if it is true.This would be the biggest upset in election history.

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 04:10:50 PM »
Here is a little more food for thought.  from:

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200810222308/editorial/my-mother-s-birth-certificate-and-obama-s.html
this is a portion of that article
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GRAMMY DEAREST

Now - belatedly - that the net is closing in on Obama, and the suspicions, as many have alleged, are that he is a Trojan Horse for Islamic interests, or a Manchurian Candidate, or a total fraud - Obama has seemingly discovered an interest in his ailing grandmother. Yes, that Grammy who he so facilely threw under the bus during the early days of his campaign.

He is now so worried about Grandma Dunham - the woman who raised him but strangely didn't attend his nomination - that he is taking a few days off from his intense campaign to visit this ailing widow.

Or could his strangely-timed trip to Hawaii really be to "clear up" the sticky case of his missing birth certificate?

I live in New York, where it is not uncommon for BIG payoffs to influence people to come up with "the goods." A half-a-million here, a dire threat there, often influence people to do things - like perjure themselves, produce phony documents, et al - that they would never do under less "pressured" circumstances.

If the magic document doesn't appear, it is possible, and entirely legal, that Obama could be removed from the ballots in states that are questioning his eligibility.

According to a recent article in The Daily Herald in Everett, WA, a civil action was filed in Washington State Superior Court against Sam Reed, Secretary of State, demanding that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama be removed from the ballot in Washington unless he can provide verification of his status as a United States citizen. The citizen who filed the suit, Steven Marquis, asked that Reed verify - by looking at "original or certified verifiable official documents" - that Obama is a natural-born citizen of the United States and eligible to serve as president, and that the office do so by Election Day.

Like others investigating the matter, Marquis said that answering the unanswered questions about Obama's citizenship and background would "preclude a constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest" that would arise if information about Obama's ineligibility came to light after the election.

EXPLOSIVE PRESS RELEASE
 
This week, on October 21, 2008, Mr. Berg released the result of his investigation. In a startling press release, he has announced that "Obama & DNC admit all allegations in Berg v. Obama."
In his release, Berg explained that "by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions...the DNC `ADMITTED' that Obama is "NOT QUALIFIED" to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."
 Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed "ADMITTED." Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

According to Berg, Obama - by default - admitted to every charge the lawyer made., among them:
1. I was born in Kenya. 
2. I am a Kenya "natural born" citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii. 
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
The list includes 56 admissions.
The DNC's admissions, which number 27, include that:
1. They nominated Barack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President. 
2. Have not vetted Barack Hussein Obama.
3. They did not have a background check performed on Barack Hussein Obama. 
4. They did not verify Barack Hussein Obama's eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
5. Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.
For the entire list, go to: http://www.obamacrimes.com/.

WHAT HAPPENS NOW?

Interest in this case is understandably intense. Berg's website has already received over 55 million hits. But predictably, the overwhelmingly liberal media has yet to pick up on this story, as if ignoring a story that has profound implications for our Republic and for the potential of a Constitutional crisis is less important than discussing Sarah Palin's wardrobe.
It's possible that all the states that are working on obtaining Obama's birth certificate will simultaneously remove him from the ballot at one time.
It's also possible that, failing to produce the birth certificate, Obama will voluntarily step aside, leaving a breach through which Hillary will walk.
Meanwhile, as legal challenges proceed at warp speed, and Obama's lawyers scramble to avoid the Scandal of the Century, one thing remains intractably the same: Obama still hasn't produced proof of his U.S. citizenship!
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It appears to me time has already run out, he ain't eligible.
I fear for his grandmother, to be honest.
I was not throwing this topic out as fact, only as something to ponder over. 
Think about this now.
Consider for a moment the vast machine that has supported him.
News media, hollywood, acorn, cair, etc. etc.,
Some of the tactics I've seen of bo remind of CAIR, and there IS a connection with bo and CAIR.  I posted that a couple of days ago somewhere.  CAIR has been found to be a front group for HAMAS, if you did not already know this.
By the way, why hasn't President Bush done anything.  I mean he is the President.  Isn't he the head of the Dept of Justice. We have seen proof of massive voter fraud, we even have state officials refusing to comply with current laws. 

But damn.............
WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON !!!
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2008, 05:51:06 PM »
Wa ballots arleady printed and laying on my table filled out for an american hero not an empty suit
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2008, 04:16:09 AM »
Your response is articulate, and undoubtedly accurate.
But the impeachment proceeding would have to be conducted by congress, isn't that right?
If democrats control the house and senate, then it would be up to pelosi and reid.
You see what I'm getting at.

Oh, I quite agree as the same thing happened with Clinton.  But this time it could be a SCOTUS decision.  If SCOTUS determined Obama not eligible to be President, Congress and the mass opposition would demand removal and retribution.  If that didn't happen, then your supposition could very well be accurate and most deadly.

Mass opposition yes, Congress demanding removal, NO! Remember, if this stuff turns out to be true, the DNC is
allready aware & are hiding it. The Socialist Demoncraps are far more interested in power than being loyal to this country.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2008, 01:15:33 PM »
I'm afraid you're right.

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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2008, 03:56:40 PM »
I'm afraid you're right.

Congress may not demand removal, but the premise is the same.  I for one will not tolerate a President, who did not and cannot comply with the Constitutional provisions that mandate candidacy for taking office.  If the American people permit this atrocity, it is time for revolution.  Especially if any type of martial law is declared to prevent it.  The revolution may come as petitions for removal of all elected officials and new elections.  It may come in violent means, if martial law is declared.  I'm ready for either mentally and logistically.  This may well be one of civil war again between States.  This time not between North and South but between socialism and capitalists.   
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Re: Is This a Coup d' etat?
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2008, 04:03:27 PM »
I have a hard time swallowing this Obama not being a citizen line.  I will admit that I haven't done the slightest bit of research on the subject, but if it were true that Obama was not a citizen, wouldn't the Clintons have already pursued this angle?  Wouldn't McCain now be pushing this?

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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2008, 04:17:14 PM »
Like I said, I want it to be true and I hope it's true. But I highly dought it'll be proven true. O well I have a feeling Biden will be president if Obama is elected.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2008, 05:03:14 PM »
Well, I for one have a few doubts about his citizenship.  What happened to his name change from Barry Sotero to Barrack Hussein Obama?  Where is the legal name change documents?  Who paid or how was his Harvard education paid for?  At $70,000 a year, he must have had a really good summer job.  What about his comments never been or practiced as a Muslim, yet in Indonesia he must have.  What happened to the medical records regarding his mother giving birth at either hospital in Hawaii?  If he was a citizen of Indonesia as a child, does this dual citizenship, which Indonesia at the time would not recognize, preclude his Loss of American citizenship under US law?  I think Berg has some very valid points that need raised.  This may be the crisis that the Obama camp has indicated.  If he is not a Constitutional candidate for President and is elected with a Democratic Congress, legislation could be passed would permit or include language recoginzing his natural born status.  That would create a crisis among constructionists.  This may even be excuse to declare marital law by Obama. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2008, 06:13:31 PM »
Well, I for one have a few doubts about his citizenship. 
I agree something don't seem right here...

I have noticed an unwillingness to show documents on obama's part and if you want the media to say something then you will have to tell them... by email and phone to include you, all your family, friends, coworkers and anyone else you talk to in a days time... make up some business cards with the numbers and email address to CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Washington Post, New York Times and so on. You can also take out an ad in the news papers in your area and surrounding ones with the same card and the cost should be low. The real question to ask is how bad do you folks want ob to come clean... if you want it bad enough then you will get the word out and open peoples eyes to the fact that the informantion is not available... I find it really hilarious as you handle it as you do any other conspiracy... tell everyone that will listen to you...

This may even be excuse to declare marital law by Obama. 
or bush
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2008, 02:52:14 AM »
could not any citizen of the USA get a writ to make nancy p preform her duty and examine the birth documents ?
can't remember the correct term but there is a process for making a public offical preform their job .
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2008, 03:06:49 AM »
It's called "firing their ass and replacing them with someone else". That's the only way to get politicians to do their job. Sadly the replacements aren't likely to be any better. Our system is broke and it doesn't look like it's gonna be fixed any time soon.


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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2008, 03:11:53 AM »
sad ain't it !
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2008, 08:07:20 AM »
This is from Wikipedia:
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A coup d’état (pronounced /kuːdeɪˈtɑː/ AHD: [ko͞o"dā tä]), often simply called a coup, is the sudden overthrow of a government by a part of the state establishment — usually the military — to replace the branch of the stricken government, either with another civil government or with a military government.

The coup d’état succeeds if its opponents fail to thwart the usurpers, allowing them to consolidate their positions, obtain the surrender of the overthrown government or acquiescence of the populace and the surviving armed forces, and thus claim legitimacy. Coups d’état typically use the power of the existing government for the takeover. As Edward Luttwak remarks in Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook: A coup consists of the infiltration of a small, but critical, segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder. In this sense, the use of either military or another organized force is not the defining feature of a coup d'état.
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Hmmmmmmmmm..................

There have been A LOT of strange things going on in the past couple years.
I don't like it folks.
What do you think?
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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2008, 08:56:03 AM »
I just don't know ...............
I never believed that, to be honest.
If that was part 1, who did it and what's the connection to how things are now coming unraveled.
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2008, 10:19:09 AM »
Well if bo IS eligible by meeting the legal requirements to run for president, then this MIGHT BE just a case of an overactive imagination on my part,  fueled by a horrible biased media, strange economic times, an acting president who seems to be actively selling out  our national sovereignty, a congress who refuses to listen to it's constituents, and a totally insane, irresponsible, selfish, lazy, narcissistic,  anarchistic, dishonest, and foolish portion of the populous willing to be led by the media and other traitors, like a bunch of cattle.
If he is truly NOT eligible, and is permitted to continue, then something is defintely wrong.  To me it would be certain that this is engineered and coordinated by the world's powerfull elite.
Who could they be?
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2008, 06:05:10 PM »
i  heard  his  csae  was  dismissed  today  at  the federal  level

but suit   was  filed  in  10  states   also
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2008, 01:22:19 PM »
watch a movie called the manchurian candidate, Looks familar.
Islam has had sleeper cells in this country for years.
Lie, cheat, steal or kill, all thats important to them
is spreading Islam. They are about to have one as the
president of the most powerful country on earth.
Obama, in my opinion will start the downfall of our
nation. I hope Socialism is not as bad as it sounds!

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2008, 09:35:18 AM »
TM-7 church law at the time forbid that type action !
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