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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2009, 01:10:28 PM »
Yep!  they go back and forth from drag to stag.  We focus on Contender, but there are other convertibles out there.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2009, 01:19:09 PM »
It is interesting Browning has a pistol/carbine combo in the buckmark I believe.  I have seen a kit which can be used by 1911 or another semi-auto pistol which makes it into a carbine.  Anyone remember the guns I am talking about?

Any discussion on these combos? 



Browning has a Buckmark carbine but it is not convertible to a pistol. 
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2009, 01:47:09 PM »
Steve
 Thank you I totally agree with you ,when I make a Contender a Rifle
I assemble a Butt Stock to the Frame and the Attach a Barrel of 16 inch's  or Longer
when I am done with it
I remove the Barrel and Butt Stock
I  now take my TC Frame attach a Pistol Grip followed by any Length barrel and now Have a TC Pistol
I sleep well at night and am not a Felon

Tommyt,

Look,

I'm not going to argue this point with you. If you don't want to believe the mountain of evidence that is posted here, then Just put a phone call into BAFT and they will tell you. Or you can just look at the letters that have been written to other gun owners from BAFT and scanned and posted on the internet.

However, what you have just described above about changing from a rifle configuration back to a pistol configuration.....unless you are paying BAFT the annual $200 registration fee, then you legally cannot do this.

Ever look at the T\C web site and see T\C promote the idea of changing from a rifle to a handgun and then back to a rifle again? How about in any of their commercials? Think about that for a minuet. They don't promote that because they can't.....because it is illegal to do so. (I don't know about the promotion.....but it is illegal to swap from a rifle to a handgun without the BAFT permit)

I hear what you are saying. And I use to think the same.....but as sure as the sky is blue....it's the wrong way of thinking.

Dave

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2009, 01:59:53 PM »
TC only won the right to sell a box of parts without any
contructive intent to break the law. The Supreme Court
did not redefine the 1934 NFA law, but that constructive
intent will not be a legitimate reason to stop distribution
of TC parts that could ultimately be configured illegally.
Unfortunately, the Feds will still send you to club Fed
if they can effectively prove any NFA case according to
their delegated authority. They recently sent someone to
jail because his AR15 malfunctioned and shot more than
one round with a single trigger pull. It accidently shot
2 or 3 rounds because of a worn part. They keep certain
idiotic rulings like if your double barrel shotgun malfunctions
by firing both barrels at the same time, it is then classified
as a machine gun. I am not joking. A shoestring tied on
the outside of any semiauto from the bolt handle looped around
to the trigger also constitutes a machine gun.It is stupid rulings
 like these. But good luck fighting it in court.
See document below Page 2 second paragraph
Anyway how could you know until you saw it with
your own eyes. There is also another 2003 ATF clearification
letter posted on the gunsmith's website that is forbidden to
mentioned on this website. Go look for yourself. It says the
 same thing regarding TC products. By the way, the pistol
conversion kit like mechtech violates the same law.
I have no idea how this has slipped through the cracks
for this long.





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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2009, 02:06:06 PM »
Steve
 Thank you I totally agree with you ,when I make a Contender a Rifle
I assemble a Butt Stock to the Frame and the Attach a Barrel of 16 inch's  or Longer
when I am done with it
I remove the Barrel and Butt Stock
I  now take my TC Frame attach a Pistol Grip followed by any Length barrel and now Have a TC Pistol
I sleep well at night and am not a Felon

Tommyt,

Look,

 the annual $200 registration fee, then you legally cannot do this.
Dave
It's a one time fee with finger prints and FBI background check.
Your right though too many people have no idea.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2009, 01:59:29 AM »

However, what you have just described above about changing from a rifle configuration back to a pistol configuration.....unless you are paying BAFT the annual $200 registration fee, then you legally cannot do this.

Dave

I agree with you totally, however, the Thompson Center Contender is not a rifle, it is a pistol.  You have never been able to buy it as a rifle.  United States vs Thompson Center GIVES you the right to change the Thompson Center Contender back and forth.  Does not give you permission to change an Uzi.  Does not give you permission to change a Buckmark.  Does not give you permission to use 10" barrels when you have a butt stock on.  You do however, HAVE THE RIGHT, to change a Thompson Center Contender from Rifle assembly BACK to pistol assembly.  The Supreme Court of the United States has Affirmed it.  End of arguement.

Steve :)
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2009, 02:51:59 AM »
Sorry friend, but your terribly wrong. Before you go spreading
advice that could cause someone to end up in a Federal prison
I would think it would be good idea to verify with the Feds.
As much as I am a strong supporter of the second amendment,
I also believe we have a responsibility as gun owners to set
an example and not be irresponsible.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2009, 06:23:08 AM »
Quote
Davemuzz  and expeditionx

Thank you both for your Help
I have edited my post to reflect its my View and only that

If I get the time I will try and call to see if I can get it from the horse's mouth

Thanks
Tommyt

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2009, 06:41:14 AM »
Just so I covered all my bases, I went ahead and called
an ATF field office this morning and asked them if there
has been any changes to this issue since the 2003 when
that letter that is also posted on this forum was written.
 I was told that it is still illegal to reconfigure any pistol
 from pistol to rifle and then back to pistol.
I asked if there has been any exception made for the TC
encores, contenders, or G2s. He said no. He said TC
 corporate is well aware just as every other gun
manufacturer is of all relevant compliance issues.
That settles it for me 100% I will not become a felon
because of ignorance of the law or bad internet advice.
When in doubt, find out for yourself.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2009, 06:45:08 AM »
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Davemuzz  and expeditionx

If I get the time I will try and call to see if I can get it from the horse's mouth

Thanks
Tommyt
That is all we can do to keep out of trouble. Good choice.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2009, 06:46:28 AM »
Thanks
I too have a call into the Tampa Office and am awaiting their return call

I too will post the results
Thanks
Tommyt

EDITED to say LOL we where typing at the same time

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2009, 07:33:20 AM »
Does this mean a contender owner should apply for the NFA license?

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #72 on: February 24, 2009, 07:49:06 AM »
Does this mean a contender owner should apply for the NFA license?
I am going to ask them that when(if) they  return my Call
and I'll Post
I hope they don't pay a Visit and accuse me  ???


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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2009, 09:10:57 AM »
Does this mean a contender owner should apply for the NFA license?
You only need the NFA tax stamp permit if you want to
 swap back and forth. If I bought a new handgun,
I will not configure it into a long gun. In my case, no need for
a tax stamp. If you want to swap legally, as long as you never
 go back to a handgun(short barrel) you will not need the tax stamp.
Once a buttstock goes on, its always legally a rifle no
matter what, no going back(to short barrel) without the permit.
Hope that explains it.  I have no intention of challenging this ruling
in court.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2009, 12:17:46 PM »
Just so I covered all my bases, I went ahead and called
an ATF field office this morning and asked them if there
has been any changes to this issue since the 2003 when
that letter that is also posted on this forum was written.
 I was told that it is still illegal to reconfigure any pistol
 from pistol to rifle and then back to pistol.
I asked if there has been any exception made for the TC
encores, contenders, or G2s. He said no. He said TC
 corporate is well aware just as every other gun
manufacturer is of all relevant compliance issues.
That settles it for me 100% I will not become a felon
because of ignorance of the law or bad internet advice.
When in doubt, find out for yourself.

You need to read the law and the the Supreme court case.  You are not manufacturing a rifle.  You are NOT reconfiguring a pistol and "making" a rifle.  I agree with you 100% on this.  If you go purchase a new Contender from a dealer, you HAVE to fill out the 4473 form and designate it as a pistol.  It comes with the pistol grip.  You cannot buy it with the butt stock attached.

NOW, if you go buy a used Contender, you step into the gray area if it is configured as a carbine.  The dealer can fill out the 4473 form and book the Contender as a Carbine.  Here is where you step into the gray area of uncertainty because this is one of the areas where the Supreme Court case and the law are ambiguous.  The Thompson Center Contender Carbine is listed in single shot rifles in the Title I, Section 922, Appendix A.   The Supreme Court case says you can put the frame back into pistol configuration, the actual law in Section 921 definitions says a rifle is:
" (7) The term "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

(8) The term "short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches."

Under Section 922. Unlawful Acts, it says:
"(a) It shall be unlawful:

(4) for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, to transport in interstate or foreign commerce any destructive device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreledrifle, except as specifically authorized by the Secretary consistent with public safety and necessity;

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver:
(4) to any person any destructive device, machinegun (as defined insection 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, except as specifically authorized by the Secretary consistent with public safety and necessity;and"

Under Section 5861 Prohibited acts: 

"It shall be unlawful for any person:

(a) to engage in business as a manufacturer or importer of, or dealer in, firearms without having paid the special (occupational) tax required by section 5801 for his business or having registered as required by section 5802;or

(b) to receive or possess a firearm transferred to him in violation of the provisions of this chapter;or

(c) to receive or possess a firearm made in violation of the provisions of this chapter;or

(d) to receive or possess a firearm which is not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record;or

(e) to transfer a firearm in violation of the provisions of this chapter;or

(f) to make a firearm in violation of the provisions of this chapter;or

(g) to obliterate, remove, change, or alter the serial number or other identification of a firearm required by this chapter;or

(h) to receive or possess a firearm having the serial number or other identification required by this chapter obliterated, removed, changed, or altered;or

(i) to receive or possess a firearm which is not identified by a serial number as required by this chapter;or

(j) to transport, deliver, or receive any firearm in interstate commerce which has not been registered as required by this chapter;or

(k) to receive or possess a firearm which has been imported or brought into the United States in violation of section 5844;or

(l) to make, or cause the making of, a false entry on any application, return, or record required by this chapter, knowing such entry to be false."

In the definitions section it says, "(i) Make.:The term "make", and the various derivatives of such word, shall include manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage in such business under this chapter), putting together, altering, any combination of these, or otherwise producing a firearm.

Brief Summary:
922 says any (read as "unlicensed") person cannot transport a short barrelled rifle.
It also says a dealer cannot deliver or sell a short barrelled rifle to any person.

5861 says the any person must pay the tax in order to lawfully "manufacture" firearms.
It also says any person cannot receive, transfer, possess, etal any firearm "made", "in violation", "not registered", etc.

Then you get to the definition of "make".   


You are not producing a Contender.  You are not making a Contender.  Thompson Center has already done this for us.  I have read the case law and appropriate laws associated with the Contenders.  Other than the gray area mentioned above, there is no concern a Contender owner should have when removing pistol grip and barrel and replacing with carbine stock and barrel, or vice versa. 

Until I see evidence of a Supreme Court case or a written law that says otherwise, I will continue to abide by the Law as written and by the Supreme Court affirmation in U.S. vs. Thompson/Center.


Steve :)
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #75 on: February 24, 2009, 02:29:17 PM »
Quote from: Steve P link=topic=154467.msg1098756760#msg1098756760
You need to read the law and the the Supreme court case.  You are [u
not[/u] manufacturing a rifle. 

What your not realizing is that anything not distinctly
 spelled out by the letter of the law is left for interpretation
by the regulatory agencies. Does the law precisely
define manufacturing of weapons? No It allows a gray area
for the ATF to determine. A point by point determination
of any gray area oftens results in a ruling.
Example ruling 2009-1

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/rules/atf_ruling2009-1.pdf



They are allowed to interpret, define, and judge
what is and is not legal within their official capacity.
Unless you have deep pockets and a good lawyer,
challenging their definition of the gray area is not
going to be successful.  I will give you an excellent
 example of how they over exceed their authority.
They are suppose to regulate gunpowder weapons
and not air pressure weapons like bb guns.
 Why is it that you can be arrested for having
an airgun noise suppressor (silencer)?
Because, they decided that:

A. §921(a)(24) The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

Numerous paintball silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C., Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200 making tax.


You might say but they would never dare send someone to prison for
a airgun silencer. You think so.... well
http://www.beemans.net/silencers_on_airguns.htm
We now have America's first case of a person to be criminally charged in Federal Court with possessing an airgun silencer as a "firearm silencer". Because of other commitments, I had to decline a request to serve as an expert witness in this airgun silencer case, but I think that I should bring some of the details to the attention of airgunners everywhere.  The defendant is now imprisoned in Connecticut's  MacDougall Correctional Facility and has been in jail since his arrest on June 24, 2004 - almost four years as of this date - and pretrial proceedings are still ongoing!! 

My point is that if they(the ATF) says no to something
do not think you are any safer from prosecution than
the guy sitting in prison for possessing an airgun silencer.
Or, David Olofson which was charged with a felony for
a malfunctioning ar15.
http://totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/malfunctioning-ar15-becomes-a-machine-gun/




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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #76 on: February 24, 2009, 05:18:08 PM »

 If you go purchase a new Contender from a dealer, you HAVE to fill out the 4473 form and designate it as a pistol. 

Sorry, but that is not how the Feds look at it.
The dealer or 4473 does not designate the configuration.
http://www.handgunhunt.com/tech/t29/index.html
see page 2 paragraphs 2 and 3
the manufacturer records the serial number and configuration.
The 4473 has no absolute bearing because it could have been
reconfigured after it left the manufacturer. The way the Feds
look at it is a virgin receiver that has never had a buttstock
inserted can become a pistol or an AOW (look it up) in legal
classification.
Once a buttstock has been inserted, it can never again
be a pistol or AOW legally classified that is, however, it
can become a rifle or shotgun (that is either short barrel
 or long barrel). A receiver that has been stocked always
remains a classified long gun. That is the issue in the
letters that have been posted. 2003 is the earliest one
I have seen. There is another one on thehighroad.org
that is reccent like last year. I am going by those and
what I was told by the field office. If they used to
have a different policy on the issue, then it has changed
in the past 6 years. If you think this is insane, look up 922r
and what it requires of gun owners to not become a felon
by default if you happen to reconfigure an sks, some other
imported long gun, or if you build a long gun out of
imported parts.


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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #77 on: February 24, 2009, 05:34:53 PM »
Good excuse  for buying another frame for your  rifle barrels.  The $200 cost of a NFA license would be better spent for a new frame then you wouldn't need it whichever way the ruling is.
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #78 on: February 24, 2009, 05:51:15 PM »
That's what I did.  Then who gives a rip how the argument comes out?  Seems to me the bases are covered then.
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2009, 02:55:38 AM »
I received the Call and was referred to the TECHNOLOGY sector so 2 more calls to get the Right GUY
They told me I need to submit my Question in Writing NO one Gets an Answer over the Phone
So I asked If I could at least explain what I'm looking to do so that I could be sure I am at the right Office
I stated I have a 10 inch barrel with Pistol Grip I want to remove both barrel and grip and put 21" barrel and 14 inch rifle stock Then remove and reinstall the 10 barrel and Pistol Grip
He stated I was in the right place and it (Thompson interchange)was discussed a lot so
 I will email them this afternoon and wait for the snail mail answer.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2009, 03:59:32 AM »

 I will email them this afternoon and wait for the snail mail answer.


TommyT.....I'm not a betting man, But....I got a dollar that says you'll be looking for a new frame that you will devote just to handguns! Just like I have  ;D

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2009, 04:22:41 AM »
I received the Call and was referred to the TECHNOLOGY sector so 2 more calls to get the Right GUY
They told me I need to submit my Question in Writing NO one Gets an Answer over the Phone

The technology branch is who writes the compliance letters
that have been posted. See my post number 63 in this thread
the signer of the letter and what branch.
 That is the right place. Not any
agent of that office is willing to discuss compliance issues
 over the phone. If you can manage to get a field agent
to call them and verify then you can get a faster answer.
It wasn't easy, but it is not impossible. Depends on the agent's
cooperation level.
The good thing is that that branch will give
you an accurate account of their policy in writing. Think about
this though, if you get an email written by the same chief of
the technology branch why would it be any different than
every other letter that has already been sent on the issue.
I look forward to this. I also hope this thread puts this
issue to rest on this forum, but someone is likely to
resurrect the same issue in 6 months. History repeats itself
sometimes.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2009, 07:04:05 AM »
Damn  This turned into another pissin contest Id say ... Been fun readin tho.   I bet the Feds just love watchin us beat this over and over.
  Steve P  Maybe you should call a few dealers about a Contender Rifle,  They been makin them for years.  As a matter of fact ask for item #TCG8720  Great lookin Blue/Walnut...
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2009, 07:08:29 AM »
Expeditition x

Can you make the letter readable?

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #84 on: February 26, 2009, 07:53:16 AM »
Ruskin
 That letter is avail on one off those links

I'm taking this thought on  TC ownership for the time being
If I take my contender out hunting and its configured as a Rifle
21" barrel and Rifle stock
I'm not going to stop by an FFL and register it
Upon going Home I will dismantle it and when hunting next time
I may configure is with Pistol Barrel and Pistol Grip
I again will not stop at the FFL's place to register is as a Pistol

I am lost for the word but what I think cannot happen (its assuming you did brake the law) an atf agent cannot accuse me of making a Short Barrel rifle cause he never ever saw me and My Contender in any configuration
If for some strange reason I got stopped by an agent and I had said Contender in a rifle Config. and he documented it
I would then be looking for another frame for my Contender Pistol Barrels
I just don't see how you could get Locked up for owning Parts that are Legally sold
I can however see getting locked up if you where stopped with a 10" barrel on a frame with a Rifle stock attached
I have flown with a Gun box that had frame stock Grip and 3 or 4 barrels from 10 to 12 inch's
I don't see any where ,that I broke the Law ?
The argument of MADE I never made in the Eyes of the ATF cause I didn't (by Law) have to call of bring  it too them in ANY one configuration

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #85 on: February 26, 2009, 08:06:57 AM »
here is my Try at blowing it up


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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #86 on: February 26, 2009, 08:44:18 AM »
I think that you will get the same answer from the NFA branch as
every other response letter has stated so far.
The proper procedure..which lawfully allows you to switch from pistol to
rifle and back to pistol involves a Federal tax stamp. The funny thing
is back in 1934 they purposely set the price of the tax stamp at
$200 because most folks could not afford it. Back then, they figured
if you can afford the tax stamp($200) then you were weathly enough
to be trusted with short barrel rifles/shotguns and machine guns,
unlikely to rob a bank, and not a threat to law enforcement.
They almost tried to include handguns in the original draft of the
NFA in 1934, but did not have enough votes for the handgun
inclusion. We wouldn't be having this discussion if they had.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2009, 11:05:53 AM »
Damn  This turned into another pissin contest Id say ... Been fun readin tho.   I bet the Feds just love watchin us beat this over and over.
  Steve P  Maybe you should call a few dealers about a Contender Rifle,  They been makin them for years.  As a matter of fact ask for item #TCG8720  Great lookin Blue/Walnut...
                                                Rod


Rod, you are doing the same as some of the other folks on this thread.  You are reading in things between the lines and interpreting it to be whatever you want to.  Unfortunately, that is what gets people into big do-do.  You cannot interpret the Supreme Court case to include an UZI.  You cannot use it to include a Browning Buckmark.  You also cannot use it to include a "G2 Contender Rifle" which is what the No. 8720 refers to.  You take a G2 rifle and convert it to a pistol and you are begging for a stay in the gray bar hotel.  That is not even within the gray area to which this thread is referring. 

Now you take a new G2 Contender Pistol (not a Thompson Center "Contender", but a "G2 Contender Pistol") and exchange grip to stock and 10" barrel to carbine barrel, you may have entered a gray area.  I DO NOT KNOW THIS!!!  I would not do it, EVER!  Even the TC manual labels them as the "G2 Contender" (registered trademark) Pistol & Rifle.

All of my posts have been in reference to the Thompson / Center Contender.  Never about the G2 Contender nor the Encore. 

I will step off my soap box for now.  I have been beating this subject up for too many years.  What was once clearly black and white affirmation has become clouded by introductions of "similar, but different" options and opinions that have muddied the waters.  I have my copies of the letters in my safe and will use them to protect myself if and when needed.

I hope you stay safe, shoot straight, and enjoy your Thompson Center firearm in whatever configuration you keep it.

Steve  :)

"Life is a play before an audience of One.  When your play is over, will your audience stand and applaude, or stay seated and cry?"  SP 2002

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #88 on: March 09, 2009, 08:44:34 AM »
The letter being referenced in this post as applicable to the Thompson Center Conteder IS NOT APPLICABLE.  If you read page one of the letter, the writer's concerns are 100% toward converting an UZI and wondering if the supreme court case United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co. my apply.

I think John R Spencer was right on the money when he stated, "With respect to the Thompson Center Contender kit, the United States Supreme Court's decision, United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co. (1992), applies to this kit exclusively."

Not an UZI, not an Encore, not a G2 Contender Pistol, NOR a G2 Contender Rifle!

If you have a Contender and a Carbine kit, you are protected by the law.
If you have something else, you'd best have the $200 permit and a lot of documentation to be protected.

Steve :)
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #89 on: March 09, 2009, 09:04:23 AM »
If you have a Contender and a Carbine kit, you are protected by the law.
If you have something else, you'd best have the $200 permit and a lot of documentation to be protected.

Steve :)

 Here we go ..............................
   Do you mean(intrepid it) if we have the KIT meaning a KIT sold by Thompson or Pieces that are the same or very similar to the
KIT sold by Thompson contender and that makes us Legit


    I still say (intrepid) we are all Legit or there would big Warnings on all TC's sold and that most Places would not want too sell a Probable Problem