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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #150 on: May 04, 2009, 10:24:11 PM »
Good luck with that. 
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #151 on: May 04, 2009, 10:38:04 PM »
The wording specifies "a multipurpose firearms kit." This
totally conflicts with their other policies/rulings
that are stated on the other letters like the
handgun hunt atf letter that says not to take
a designated contender/encore rifle into a pistol.
This letter seems to exempt the kit only. Like keith
says, it does not exempt a configured gun sold
in a configuration. Expect a sound logical answer
and receive more confusing details from the
government. Personally, I think its time for
a government overhaul. Its too bad we can't
erase all gun laws. They are not stopping
any crime.


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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #152 on: May 05, 2009, 06:39:27 AM »
I think they say it I guess you have too make your own Call
I told him about this conversation and He new of the sold kit

What do you guys want to call a Frame, 2 barrels, a grip and a Stock
I'll call it My TC Hunting KIT
Go anywhere do anything KIT Its Legal

I guess you can call it a Bag of Parts But they IMHO are still legal as they ARE SOLD Legal
To Each his Own
I got the answer I was looking For
Tommyt


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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #153 on: May 05, 2009, 08:29:36 AM »
Tommyt,

Again, I'm no attorney. However, whatever your phone call was doesn't matter. What does matter is what the letter you posted says.

So, that being said....the letter clearly refers to a "kit" as:"... multipurpose firearm kit containing the above-listed
components is obtained as an assemblage of parts from a single source,..." Of course, that single source being T\C.

Now, they appear to be addressing a gun kit. Not buying a frame, pistol barrel and grip, rifle barrel and stock\forearm.

So, my conclusion is that if you had purchased the original kit, all would be well and good with assembling the parts from that original kit. However, if you just have regular "stuff" (non-kit parts) like 99% of the T\C owners out there, then I think you are back to square one.

So, I'm sticking with my two frames. One for long gun barrels and one for handgun barrels. It's easy. It's legal. And I don't have to change out my stock....so that's even more easier!!!(But I dunno if it makes if "more legal-er")

Dave

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #154 on: May 05, 2009, 10:37:13 AM »
OK Dave I see what you say
If What I said on the Phone and IN a Letter
WHY wouldn't he just answer your Illegal

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #155 on: May 05, 2009, 11:55:59 AM »
Tommyt,

I can't tell you why the guy did what he did. I don't recall reading the letter you wrote to them (I don't think you posted it here....and I have not taken the time to go back and search for it).

The Federal Employee may have interpreted your letter to respond to the T\C kit guns only, or he may have done this just as an easy way out. (Nah....a Federal employee taking the easy way out??....Who would think??)

But again, it appears their letter is just addressing the kit gun.

Dave

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #156 on: May 05, 2009, 04:41:59 PM »
Dave don't do a search I never Posted the email !! wish I did as I lost it
 But I'm thinking he has seen our Post ? Maybe just maybe !! and decided to use the word "KIT" so  it would keep us whits end
another thought he's not just speaking of TC he's talking Firearms in General ,and that's where he decided to use the "KIT" word, you must admit its different than the other Letter ,IMO its more for the interchange of Short Barrels and back again than the other letter.
 You would think that for as long as these guns have been on the Market,If they where wrong , very many would have been arrested ,or at least a few , and TC would have been sued by the consumer. I know for a fact where I grew up that if the Law wants you they will get you, so with that in mind,
 How many dope dealers do you think have Contenders I'd say a few, if it was Illegal they would use it to put them away
Just my thoughts
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #157 on: May 05, 2009, 08:45:51 PM »
Dave don't do a search I never Posted the email !! wish I did as I lost it
 But I'm thinking he has seen our Post ? Maybe just maybe !! and decided to use the word "KIT" so  it would keep us whits end
another thought he's not just speaking of TC he's talking Firearms in General ,and that's where he decided to use the "KIT" word, you must admit its different than the other Letter ,IMO its more for the interchange of Short Barrels and back again than the other letter.
 You would think that for as long as these guns have been on the Market,If they where wrong , very many would have been arrested ,or at least a few , and TC would have been sued by the consumer. I know for a fact where I grew up that if the Law wants you they will get you, so with that in mind,
 How many dope dealers do you think have Contenders I'd say a few, if it was Illegal they would use it to put them away
Just my thoughts
Tommyt

I am going to write a multi question letter to the ATF
 for clearification on multiple points. I am going to ask
about the kits, individual pistol, individual carbine, and
the original contender pistol only, and so on.
The handgunhunt letter posted as a link on this forum
clearly says that making a carbine into a pistol is a legal
problem. The kit you asked about throws a monkey wrench
into their logic that follows that rifles cannot legally be
made into pistols. A good lawyer could argue that there
seems to be an unfair application of the law in this
determination by the ATF. Exempting a kit, but not a
carbine made of the same parts? Makes no sense.
 


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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #158 on: May 06, 2009, 10:50:37 AM »
There is something to be said about trying to preach truth to nay sayers and fence posts.  The posts don't talk back.

Steve :)
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #159 on: May 06, 2009, 04:11:17 PM »
I am going to write a multi question letter to the ATF
 for clearification on multiple points. I am going to ask
about the kits, individual pistol, individual carbine, and
the original contender pistol only, and so on.
The handgunhunt letter posted as a link on this forum
clearly says that making a carbine into a pistol is a legal
problem. The kit you asked about throws a monkey wrench
into their logic that follows that rifles cannot legally be
made into pistols. A good lawyer could argue that there
seems to be an unfair application of the law in this
determination by the ATF. Exempting a kit, but not a
carbine made of the same parts? Makes no sense.

 Here is the number to get started ask for Ron Davis

304 -260-5476

I will PM you the name on my Letter

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #160 on: July 19, 2009, 10:28:53 AM »
This is in reference to your correspondence to the Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco,Firearms And Explosives(ATF) Firearms Tec Branch in which you inquire about the configuration(s) and reconfiguration(s) of certain firearm kits which include both rifle and pistol components

 It is the position of the ATF that if a multipurpose firearm kit containing the above-listed
components is obtained as an assemblage of parts from a single source, the components of the kit
 may be assembled and subsequently reassembled an unlimited number of times as a rifle or a
 pistol. Please note, however that the assembly of a rifle having a barrel length of less than
16 inches from the components of a multipurpose firearm kit would still require the submission
and approval of an ATF Form 1 "application to make and register a firearm" , this is because
short-barreled rifles are subject to the National Firearms Act

 We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive.
 Sincerely yours
John ABCD
They are addressing the kit from the Supreme Court case.
I still think that its limited to the kit only.
Anyway I just sent out a letter to othe BATF asking for clearification
of the following

Question 1. Would it be a violation of the law to change a
Contender pistol (purchased originally as a pistol from the
 manufacturer in 1995) from a pistol configuration to a
rifle configuration (with a shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel)
and then back to a pistol configuration
(no stock and 10 inch barrel)? 

Question 2. Would it be a violation of the law to change a
Contender rifle (purchased originally as a rifle from the
 manufacturer in 1995) from a rifle configuration
(shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel) to a
pistol configuration (no shoulder stock and 10 inch barrel)?

Question 3. My 3rd question relates to the Contender pistol and carbine kit
specifically addressed in the 1992  U.S. Supreme Court case United States v. Thompson/Center Arms. Would it be a violation of the law to
 assemble the this specific kit as a rifle (shoulder stock and barrel
over 16 inches)  and then to later reconfigure this same rifle into
a pistol configuration (no shoulder stock and barrel shorter
than 16 inches)?

Question 4. Would it be a violation of the law to change an
Encore pistol (purchased originally as a pistol from the
 manufacturer in 2005) from a pistol configuration to a
rifle configuration (with a shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel)
and then back to a pistol configuration
(no stock and 10 inch barrel)? 




Question 5. Would it be a violation of the law to change an
Encore rifle (purchased originally as a rifle from the
 manufacturer in 2005) from a rifle configuration
(shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel) to a
pistol configuration (no shoulder stock and 10 inch barrel)?

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #161 on: July 19, 2009, 10:44:32 AM »
I think that about covers all the possible combinations.
Now, the wait begins. When I get a response, I will take a
digital photo of it and place it on a host site with a direct link
in this forum. 

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #162 on: July 20, 2009, 05:23:04 PM »
 I wish you all the best as in a speedy reply
I was watching  the OUT Door Channel the other day and a Encore commercial came on
and it said
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"Look its A Muzzle Loader
A rifle
AND EVEN A PISTOL
"
If anyone see's it I'd love to see you post of it



But there is someone here on this board that has a Hair up there at me
SO I didn't bother making a New Post
Time will tell
But I Guarantee there will still be the Nae Sayers
That will say the Commercial was talking of Multiple Frames
or if your Letter comes in with my type of Opinion
they will say its only good for you or .....

All the Best
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #163 on: July 20, 2009, 05:30:06 PM »
I hope they understand you ,when you say NO shoulder Stock
I wrote similar but only the configuration from pistol to rifle and rifle to pistol
and in each statement Question I said Pistol Grip when addressing a change from rifle to pistol
I hope you have the Outdoor Channel and see the commercial
It will make you Laugh
I just recently Lost a trade Due to ............. well you know LOL

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #164 on: July 20, 2009, 06:15:05 PM »
I hope they understand you ,when you say NO shoulder Stock
I wrote similar but only the configuration from pistol to rifle and rifle to pistol
and in each statement Question I said Pistol Grip when addressing a change from rifle to pistol
I hope you have the Outdoor Channel and see the commercial
It will make you Laugh
I just recently Lost a trade Due to ............. well you know LOL

I havn't seen that commercial yet. The TC websight does have
http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/encore.php
from centerfire, to rim fire, to shotgun,to muzzle loader.
No mention of "to pistol."  Businesses sometimes make mistakes.
The product on the link below was sold with a guarantee that it was legal to use.
Everyone that bought it lost all their money in the end.
It was a stock with a spring. Confiscation of the spring was the result.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P8AbTKvykE

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #165 on: July 21, 2009, 12:34:31 AM »
It would be interesting to see that commercial.  I haven't ever seen an Encore commercial like that, and a long time since I have seen a Contneder commercial like that.

If TC really felt that was legal they would have this flexibility in all their ads, I would think.  And the feds would have given you a clear, clean, easy to apply ruling instead of one that needs assumptions and interpratations to read the way you want.
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #166 on: July 21, 2009, 11:57:31 AM »
I believe it was on the Pro Hunter and could be like the one mentioned on this page when they say "Encore System is now complete"
http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/encoreRimfire.php
  The rifle and the Pistol Barrels where it Say's and I Quote
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With the addition of rim-fire barrels for T/C's Encore and Encore Pro Hunter, the Encore System is now complete
and in the page collection it goes from Rifle Barrels to Pistol lengths
  I have to believe at a Bare Minimum they would put some kind of warning if you switch them out
Just like they say Not legal in Canada JMHO
Tommyt

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #167 on: July 22, 2009, 07:12:32 AM »
IIRC all bores over .50 are automatically a DD according to the NFA definition.
This leaves the government to decide and grant exemptions on what they think
is acceptable. Most all 12 gauge shotguns and certain pistol/rifle cartridges
over .50 have been allowed exemption. The taurus judge .45/410 is not a DD because
its bore is less than .50, and its not a smoothbore because it does have rifling.

The 14.5mm JDJ has received exemption.
Quote: SSK has non Destructive Device exemption for a 14.5 MM
http://www.sskindustries.com/14_5.htm


over all  length  must also be 26 inches  not to be a handgun

i  never under stood  the 14  and 15  inch  barrels
when  with  just a little more  16inches  and  you are ready to be a carbine
also  just a little mor power  and less  blast


over  50 caliber  and rifled  is concidered  a destructive devise
like  your rifled  12 gage

or  the  .577 tyranosourus
or  the tarus judge in  45/410 gage revolver

there  are  some  exceptions  to the rules

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #168 on: July 27, 2009, 02:46:20 PM »
t/c has a muzzle break that takes their 15" pistol barrels to the required over 16" mark.  call them or go to the webpage and click on the custom shop.  for a send in barrel last time i checked was 75 plus shipping  they are permant and baft legal

http://www.tcarms.com/customShop/services.php

"""
MUZZLE TAMER
Designed by T/C, this unique muzzle brake is threaded onto the barrel and diverts gas upward and outward, significantly reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump by up to 50%. The muzzle tamer will add 1 1/8” to the length of the barrel. Please specify overall length including the tamer.
RB: Blue tamer fitted to a returned barrel    $75.95
RS: Stainless Steel tamer fitted to a returned barrel    $80.95

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #169 on: July 27, 2009, 08:00:29 PM »
Just add a bit more than an inch and you have a legal length for a rifle (if the overall length is enough). Any smith can do this, it's easy. But an off the shelf barrel might be cheaper.

Thanx, russ

P.S. Barrels are only rifle barrels if too short and mounted with a butt stock. Otherwise it's a pistol barrel, no limits on those, one inch or 6 feet.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #170 on: July 30, 2009, 08:05:31 AM »

http://www.tcarms.com/customShop/services.php

"""
MUZZLE TAMER
Designed by T/C, this unique muzzle brake is threaded onto the barrel and diverts gas upward and outward, significantly reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump by up to 50%. The muzzle tamer will add 1 1/8” to the length of the barrel. Please specify overall length including the tamer.
RB: Blue tamer fitted to a returned barrel    $75.95
RS: Stainless Steel tamer fitted to a returned barrel    $80.95

"""

 Thanks so much for the Link and the Way TC does it seems they screw the Brake on and becomes Legal
Terrific
Two Thumbs Up

Thanks
Tommyt

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #171 on: July 30, 2009, 12:17:11 PM »
'
 Thanks so much for the Link and the Way TC does it seems they screw the Brake on and becomes Legal
Terrific
Two Thumbs Up

Thanks
Tommyt"

Where do you see that it is legal in any of the quoted text from TC?  If it can be unscrewed then you can get busted for it.
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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #172 on: July 30, 2009, 02:54:19 PM »
http://federalfirearmslicense.me/blog/federal-firearms-license/nfa-rifle-youll-need-a-federal-firearms-license-to-sell-them/
 If the overall length of the rifle is less than 26 inches, or the barrel length is less than 16 inches, then the rifle is considered a short barreled rifle (SBR)

The barrel length is measured from the muzzle to the breech. Again, like the rules for shotguns, the barrel length does not include any barrel attachment like a choke, muzzle break, compensator, etc, unless said device is permanently attached to the barrel via full penetration welding or silver soldering.


Using a 15 inch barrel in combination with a stock is a felony if its without a paid tax stamp from Uncle Sam.
 A screw on extension is not going to change that fact.


http://www.tcarms.com/customShop/services.php

"""
MUZZLE TAMER
Designed by T/C, this unique muzzle brake is threaded onto the barrel and diverts gas upward and outward, significantly reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump by up to 50%. The muzzle tamer will add 1 1/8” to the length of the barrel. Please specify overall length including the tamer.
RB: Blue tamer fitted to a returned barrel    $75.95
RS: Stainless Steel tamer fitted to a returned barrel    $80.95

"""

 Thanks so much for the Link and the Way TC does it seems they screw the Brake on and becomes Legal
Terrific
Two Thumbs Up

Thanks
Tommyt


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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #173 on: August 03, 2009, 09:47:56 AM »
   QUOTE From TC's page
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Designed by T/C, this unique muzzle brake is threaded onto the barrel and diverts gas upward and outward, significantly reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump by up to 50%. The muzzle tamer will add 1 1/8” to the length of the barrel. Please specify overall length including the tamer.
So if you tell them OAL 16 and one Half inch's

What will you have ??

I also went about this at the gun shop the other day
If you don't ever register a Frame as a Rifle
How or why would it be a Problem if they found you with a 18 inch barrel and rifle stock on your Frame
and the Next time you saw the man you had a 10 inch and a Pistol Grip on it
They will go to your house and accuse you of ....?
Guys it just won't happen

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« Reply #174 on: August 03, 2009, 10:44:37 AM »
The only way it will legally add 1 1/8 inches to your barrel is by welding it on or by silver soldering.
Screwing it on alone is not going to legally add the extra length. There is no confusion on this issue
 it is perfectly clear as an American legality. Any professional gunsmith should also understand
this and would not and should not advise contrary to what the Federal regulation requires.   
 I seriously doubt that anyone at TC is going to tell you that using a screw on extension is legal, but if they
do then they need to fire their compliance officers and get their act together.

http://pi.gs/~ry/0507nfa_handbook.pdf
ATF ferderal regulation booklet
page  19
Quote:
 NOTE: Any muzzle attachment such as a flash suppressor,
compensator, muzzle break, etc., is not included in the barrel length measurement unless
the attachment is permanently affixed to the barrel.
Acceptable methods for permanently
attaching a device to a rifle barrel are deep penetrating, full fusion, gas or electric steel
seam welds of high temperature silver solder.

Depending on the dimensions of a
particular barrel it may also be possible to permanently affix a muzzle attachment by
drilling a blind hole through the attachment and into the barrel wall. A steel pin that is
flush with or below the outside diameter of the attachment is then inserted and the hole
welded closed.


   QUOTE From TC's page
Quote
Designed by T/C, this unique muzzle brake is threaded onto the barrel and diverts gas upward and outward, significantly reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump by up to 50%. The muzzle tamer will add 1 1/8” to the length of the barrel. Please specify overall length including the tamer.
So if you tell them OAL 16 and one Half inch's

What will you have ??

I also went about this at the gun shop the other day
If you don't ever register a Frame as a Rifle
How or why would it be a Problem if they found you with a 18 inch barrel and rifle stock on your Frame
and the Next time you saw the man you had a 10 inch and a Pistol Grip on it
They will go to your house and accuse you of ....?
Guys it just won't happen

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #175 on: August 03, 2009, 12:11:54 PM »
   QUOTE From TC's page

If you don't ever register a Frame as a Rifle
How or why would it be a Problem

The law states the ATF can't have any kind of records database, therefore, they have to
search licensee records starting with the manufacturer.
You have zero control over what TC logs in their records when they manufacture and ship a firearm.
TC would have to comply with an ATF trace and hand over the requested info about what configuration
the firearm was when it left the factory. The 4473 form you fill out at a gunshop is not a registration form.
They would likely rely on what TC says it is and not what a 4473 form says it is.


How do you think they are tracing any guns they find sold to the mexican cartels?
Option A  Call every gunshop in the USA and ask if they sold a particular gun and to who?
Option B  Call the manufacturer/importer which is marked on the gun and request a trace.
             Option B saves thousands of calls and is much more efficient.

Option B
 
National Tracing Center Trace Request Form
http://www.forms.gov/bgfPortal/docDetails.do;jsessionid=25DF4CBDEA6647637AAA15B9F6016D82?dId=14216

If an agent wanted to question your firearm, they can trace it, and if you have a pistol, but TC says it made a rifle
then you have Felony charge. Unless they offer a special exemption for your particular weapon, you are in hot water.
Your ATF response letter only indicated a special exemption for a kit. If they contact TC and TC says
"No serial number XXXXXXXX is not a kit", then a special exemption does not apply. It's your risk unless you
can prove otherwise. The good thing about an official response letter is that a judge or jury is going to always
consider that the government officially told you something and you in good faith believed the governing authorities
and should not be held accountable for a government mistake. Get it in writing and keep it safely locked up.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #176 on: August 03, 2009, 05:26:59 PM »

National Tracing Center Trace Request Form
http://www.forms.gov/bgfPortal/docDetails.do;jsessionid=25DF4CBDEA6647637AAA15B9F6016D82?dId=14216

If an agent wanted to question your firearm, they can trace it, and if you have a pistol, but TC says it made a rifle
then you have Felony charge. Unless they offer a special exemption for your particular weapon, you are in hot water.
Your ATF response letter only indicated a special exemption for a kit. If they contact TC and TC says
"No serial number XXXXXXXX is not a kit", then a special exemption does not apply. It's your risk unless you
can prove otherwise. The good thing about an official response letter is that a judge or jury is going to always
consider that the government officially told you something and you in good faith believed the governing authorities
and should not be held accountable for a government mistake. Get it in writing and keep it safely locked up.




 Thanks for this Post
 Truly
 Tommyt

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #177 on: August 05, 2009, 07:50:58 PM »
Contender Carbine  Not sure of the year.  But old style as shown in T/C catalogue


I bought my contender new configured as a rifle. Since TC can tell its customers if it was
originally a pistol or rifle, I can't see how the myth lives on that all contenders are pistols.
 I can't remember any dealers saying they can't sell a TC contender to someone under
21 years of age.  If they all were all handguns, that would limit many people
in multiple states from even used private sale contenders.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #178 on: August 06, 2009, 05:16:05 PM »
(A word to the wise is that the ATF doesn't play.)
The only way it will legally add 1 1/8 inches to your barrel is by welding it on or by silver soldering.
Screwing it on alone is not going to legally add the extra length. There is no confusion on this issue.

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Designed by T/C, this unique muzzle brake is threaded onto the barrel and diverts gas upward and outward, significantly reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump by up to 50%. The muzzle tamer will add 1 1/8” to the length of the barrel. Please specify overall length including the tamer.

What is needed is clarification from T/C that this muzzle tamer is attached in accordance with ATF policy(pinning with welding or use of > 1,000F solder) to be considered a permanent extension. Threading and attaching alone doesn't give the legal extension.

My personal advice is, if T/C doesn't meet ATF requirements, is to have the 15" barrel sent to a friend/family that doesn't own a T/C product for them to store. When you have everything else(i.e. money$$$ and muzzle DeviceContraption), go pick up the barrel to head straight to the PO to mail off to gunsmyth without ever bringing it home where the receiver is located. Read Evans vs. U.S. to see what the consequences are.

I'm sure that there are some competent gunsmyths that could do this both promptly and professionally.

My $0.02 on how I would do it. Your life. You roll the dice.

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Re: Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle
« Reply #179 on: August 06, 2009, 07:09:47 PM »
I have never seen anything from TC that said attaching a muzzletamer would make a pistol barrel a rifle barrel.  Check your quotes, and if you really find that from TC please let me know.  I think it is assumptions made by others, and perhaps mis-quoted posts that give that impression. 
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