Help me make 15 inch barrel A rifle

[Tommyt]

Just Checking to see if you have any Update yet
with Hunting season just around the corner it may ease some tensions
Thanks
Tommyt

 

They are addressing the kit from the Supreme Court case.
I still think that its limited to the kit only.
Anyway I just sent out a letter to othe BATF asking for clearification
of the following

Question 1. Would it be a violation of the law to change a
Contender pistol (purchased originally as a pistol from the
 manufacturer in 1995) from a pistol configuration to a
rifle configuration (with a shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel)
and then back to a pistol configuration
(no stock and 10 inch barrel)? 

Question 2. Would it be a violation of the law to change a
Contender rifle (purchased originally as a rifle from the
 manufacturer in 1995) from a rifle configuration
(shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel) to a
pistol configuration (no shoulder stock and 10 inch barrel)?

Question 3. My 3rd question relates to the Contender pistol and carbine kit
specifically addressed in the 1992  U.S. Supreme Court case United States v. Thompson/Center Arms. Would it be a violation of the law to
 assemble the this specific kit as a rifle (shoulder stock and barrel
over 16 inches)  and then to later reconfigure this same rifle into
a pistol configuration (no shoulder stock and barrel shorter
than 16 inches)?

Question 4. Would it be a violation of the law to change an
Encore pistol (purchased originally as a pistol from the
 manufacturer in 2005) from a pistol configuration to a
rifle configuration (with a shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel)
and then back to a pistol configuration
(no stock and 10 inch barrel)? 




Question 5. Would it be a violation of the law to change an
Encore rifle (purchased originally as a rifle from the
 manufacturer in 2005) from a rifle configuration
(shoulder stock and 18 inch barrel) to a
pistol configuration (no shoulder stock and 10 inch barrel)?

[expeditionx]

Just Checking to see if you have any Update yet
with Hunting season just around the corner it may ease some tensions
Thanks
Tommyt

I have not received a response yet. I mailed it out on July 19 and have been waiting patiently.

[Tommyt]

I think my response took about 5 weeks
Tommy

[expeditionx]

I also went about this at the gun shop the other day
If you don't ever register a Frame as a Rifle

By the way, your profile states your in FL. If this is the case, there is no possible way to register
any of your regular guns in your state. Florida requires no permits to own or registration for guns.
I used to live there and still know plenty of people with guns in Florida. No mention of any new laws
either.  I'm fairly certain that most states do not require any kind of registration and do not have any
way of registering a firearm even if you wanted them to. Gun registration does not create any benefit.
It has been used against gun owners in the past.  The NRA is constantly fighting the antigun members
of congress that wish to impose a national registration database.

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/FLSL.pdf
Florida Law
                                               Rifles &Shotguns       Handguns
Permit to Purchase                             No                          No
Registration of Firearms                       No                          No
Licensing of Owners                            No                         No

http://www.sheriffleefl.org/prevention/brochures/prtfirearms.aspx

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Do I have to register my firearms in Florida?

A: No. There is no required registration.

[Tommyt]

So if you tell them OAL 16 and one Half inch's

What will you have ??

I also went about this at the gun shop the other day
If you don't ever register a Frame as a Rifle
How or why would it be a Problem if they found you with a 18 inch barrel and rifle stock on your Frame
and the Next time you saw the man you had a 10 inch and a Pistol Grip on it
They will go to your house and accuse you of ....?
Guys it just won't happen

By the way, your profile states your in FL. If this is the case, there is no possible way to register
any of your regular guns in your state. Florida requires no permits to own or registration for guns.
I used to live there and still know plenty of people with guns in Florida. No mention of any new laws
either.  I'm fairly certain that most states do not require any kind of registration and do not have any
way of registering a firearm even if you wanted them to. Gun registration does not create any benefit.
It has been used against gun owners in the past.  The NRA is constantly fighting the antigun members
of congress that wish to impose a national registration database.

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/FLSL.pdf
Florida Law
                                               Rifles &Shotguns       Handguns
Permit to Purchase                             No                          No
Registration of Firearms                       No                          No
Licensing of Owners                            No                         No

http://www.sheriffleefl.org/prevention/brochures/prtfirearms.aspx

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Do I have to register my firearms in Florida?

A: No. There is no required registration.

   I did not mean Register I was talking owning a Frame as we have talked this entire discussion
I picked up a mailed frame I was asked as he filled the paper work what is this rifle or pistol ?
   I replied a Pistol ,the next time I was in I spoke of a Muzzle Loader hunt I was on and used my contender
15 inch barrel,someone there remembered me picking the Frame and asked me if that was the one I was using for the hunt
    I told him no that I haven't had the time to Pair it up with anything and shoot it,from that point I/we discussed the
Rifle /pistol /pistol rifle , things as we have discussed in this very POST
and I in-turn Posted about it here.
 I am in Florida Clearwater to be exact,Truthfully I am by no means upset over this debate,I look forward
to open discussions and different Thought Ideas and interpretations,
 I do tend to stay away from Bible interpretations because it usually is followed by one party or two getting angry
Tommyt

[expeditionx]

I picked up a mailed frame I was asked as he filled the paper work what is this rifle or pistol ?
   I replied a Pistol
Tommyt

That just reminded me. I read on two other different websights that FFL dealers can no longer sell
frames/receivers to people under 21. The reason being FFL dealers are not suppose to sell handguns
to those under 21 by federal law and a frame can instantly become a handgun. So if your 19 and wanted a
new handgun from a gun shop you could have just bought the frame and made a handgun legally.
However, the ATF has caught on to this and now requires you to be 21 for a frame /receiver.
I don't think they are worried about whether a dealer sells a TC contender/encore long gun to someone under 21 because
they already stated previously that making the long gun into a pistol is illegal anyhow.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/070709openletter.pdf

Some one is bound to ask how this applies to most guns that are sold as frames/receivers.
Well, TC obviously, ar-15 frames(virgin receiver), ak varient (virgin receiver), and FAL (virgin receivers).
All 4 can initially  become a handgun or longgun from just a frame.

[45-70.gov]

Some one is bound to ask how this applies to most guns that are sold as frames/receivers.
Well, TC obviously, ar-15 frames(virgin receiver), ak varient (virgin receiver), and FAL (virgin receivers).
All 4 can initially  become a handgun or longgun from just a frame
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you  just opened a can  of  worms
now  i need  to  order  some  frames
i  don't  think  i can  afford  to read  this stuff

[expeditionx]

you  just opened a can  of  worms
now  i need  to  order  some  frames
i  don't  think  i can  afford  to read  this stuff

what can would that be? Please explain.

[expeditionx]

I do think this spells out that we can't consider just any TC contender or encore as a kit because if it
allows someone under 21 access to a legal handgun then even dealers can no longer sell TC carbines
to people under 21. Since TC no longer sells kits, this isn't an issue in that regard.

[45-70.gov]

you  just opened a can  of  worms
now  i need  to  order  some  frames
i  don't  think  i can  afford  to read  this stuff

what can would that be? Please explain.

people  will order  an  AR  lower
and  build an  AR pistol
and  that  will  make  government  tracking complicated

[expeditionx]

How did I open up a can of worms? I have nothing to do with this.
Your government opened up its own can of worms.

you  just opened a can  of  worms
now  i need  to  order  some  frames
i  don't  think  i can  afford  to read  this stuff

what can would that be? Please explain.

people  will order  an  AR  lower
and  build an  AR pistol
and  that  will  make  government  tracking complicated

[Tommyt]

Lets just work on the TC contender and see where the next letter Brings us, from there I truly don't care
I'm looking too now know how many Frames too Keep on hand to keep the ATF People Happy Period
 Once again as I see it "its only ONE" but the next letter may tell a new Story
If they're not too busy the letter will show up soon,maybe it has 

Tommyt

Hunting season Started Please be safe

[expeditionx]

If they're not too busy the letter will show up soon,maybe it has 

Not yet. Six weeks have gone by and no answer from our super efficient government

that wants to revolutionize heath care. The only part of the government that actually

does work fast is the armed forces.

[Tommyt]

 Amen to the Armed Forces this will be like health care you need or have a med procedure that is needed ASAP and you sit and wait and if their wish comes true to don't make it past the WAIT
BTW I don't know if I said this But I think you letter puts it right to them
I am very curious how they may Diplomatically Answer It
have a safe Holiday

Tommyt

[kiddekop]

l.

I'm confused  after my experience with the 15 inch 454casull barrel it's now restricted to lighter loads.

  I contacted Bullberry & ordered a 20 inch 454casull rifle barrel which has been rechambered to sw460mag works a whole lot better with 260 winchester partition gold and magtech 260 jfp bullets and some of my handloaded pocket rockets using H 110 & W 296.

[Tommyt]

kiddekop
 I never fired the 454 casull but sounds like you and others don't like the snap
Is it like a 44 mag on Steroids or what 
 I don't think I'll ever fire another 44 mag in contender
Just the other day I was out with that 22-250 in 15" and it is not a bad round at all in the
Kicking field I rather enjoy shooting it
which makes me think I would never make it longer
I wish I kept the targets I was well within an inch using a 1Xpower tasco scope

 Maybe you can tie the front end of that  454 down lol

Tommyt

[jy951]

t/c has a muzzle break that takes their 15" pistol barrels to the required over 16" mark.  call them or go to the webpage and click on the custom shop.  for a send in barrel last time i checked was 75 plus shipping  they are permant and baft legal

I know the muzzle tamers are suppose to be permanent and not easily removable, but how do you know they are batf legal?  I thought they were threaded on.

[expeditionx]

t/c has a muzzle break that takes their 15" pistol barrels to the required over 16" mark.  call them or go to the webpage and click on the custom shop.  for a send in barrel last time i checked was 75 plus shipping  they are permant and baft legal

I know the muzzle tamers are suppose to be permanent and not easily removable, but how do you know they are batf legal?  I thought they were threaded on.

They need to be welded or silver soldered on to be considered legally permanent .
http://pi.gs/~ry/0507nfa_handbook.pdf
ATF ferderal regulation booklet
page  19
Quote:
 NOTE: Any muzzle attachment such as a flash suppressor,
compensator, muzzle break, etc., is not included in the barrel length measurement unless
the attachment is permanently affixed to the barrel. Acceptable methods for permanently
attaching a device to a rifle barrel are deep penetrating, full fusion, gas or electric steel
seam welds of high temperature silver solder.