Author Topic: 25/307 (Read 1245 times)

Prince of Wales · « **on:** August 08, 2003, 05:17:53 PM »

Does anyone know of a 25 cal wildcat derived from a 307 Win cabable of being fired from Win 94 or Marlin 336 and similar firearms? Good luck. POW

onesonek · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2003, 04:21:55 PM »

Well POW, seeings how nobody has tackled this one yet. Here's my thoughts. 1st I would think you would have to find a rifle that was chambered to handle the 307/356 round(s), and have it rebarreled. I don't believe just any "94" or 336 will work. But I'm not sure, I'll get back to that in a bit. 2nd, Unless you're set on a classic designed lever in a wildcat, I personally don't see much difference than the 250-3000 savage. The 25-307 most likely would faster, but by how much is the ?. A 250 sav. 99 can be bought for the price a barrel. If price is no object, then I would say a 250-07 would be a viable project. Reamers generally aren't a problem. Dies on the other hand, can be costly. More so, if they have never been done before. It don't make alot of sense, I've seen custom reamers made, for little more than standard. But, have of first time custom dies bringing 10 times as much. I think the die mfg'rs like soak'n us caters!! But it could be they need that much to recover a possible one time deal. But then again , 25-08 dies may work, I would have to look at that alittle more closely. Depends on how you want to cat the case. Thought 3, send the lever moderator (coug) a PM, asking him if this post would be OK on the LEVERS. If so, re-post it, or let me know if its OK and I'll move it over there. I'm just not up on the levers, although I'm toying with the idea of rebarreling a BLR to 338-06. That much I know will work.

onesonek

Wildcat Crazy · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:08:37 PM »

Gun Parts Corp.uses the same parts number for the 336 receivers(pistol grip) for the .30-30,.35 Rem.,.44Mag.,.307 Win.,.356 Win.,and the .375 Win.

CH4D has dies for the 25 Souper,25-08,and 25-08 IMP. 40 degree shoulder for 69 dollars.

Dies and reamers for the rimless cartriges will work for the rimmed versions.

WC

Prince of Wales · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2003, 08:28:23 AM »

Thanks gentlemen. These are good answers. I like 25 cal and I like levers so got to thinking that this might be better than say a 25/35 Ack Imp.
Would`nt a 35 Whalen also be a good candidate for the BLR if you found one in 358 Win? Just have to rechamber that way if the rate of twist will work. Good luck. POW

onesonek · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2003, 02:48:35 PM »

Hey POW, As I said, I'm not up to speed on lever guns. But I have been looking into the BLR's. And if I got it right , the BLR comes in 2 action lengths. A short for the 308 family, and long for the 30-06 family. So I don't think rechambering a 358 to a 35 Whelen will work. But the 358 win. isn't anything to sneeze at, out to 2-250 yds.

onesonek

Ladobe · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2003, 03:21:06 PM »

Here's another idea... totally uneducated I admit... but I'll toss it up into the wind anyway and see if it flies. :roll:

Off the 307 case (or 356) you could also have a 25 Super Bower. His custom dies are reasonable and he doesn't charge an arm and a leg for rechambering either. Yeah I know - he does Contenders! But it might save you enough on dies and chambering to help pay for a rebarrel job if he would do it... and he's just enough of a funny old bugger that you might talk him into it.

The idea may not be worth any more than you paid for it, but might be worth a call to Don to find out.

FWIW, I really love my 6.5 Super Bower - bet a 25SB would be just as much fun.

(going to slip out the back door before you guys start throwing rocks) :wink:

Ladobe

onesonek · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2003, 05:30:21 PM »

Ladobe, what's the case capacity of that

6.5?
onesonek

Prince of Wales · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2003, 06:08:35 PM »

The 356 and 307 are rimmed versions of the 308 right? Well to quote Ken Waters, "the 260 Remington is a 6.5/08 pure and simple". So essesentially what were talking about here is a rimmed version of a 260 Remington.
I`m familiar with the 25 souper which is actually a 25/08 ,this also sounds similar to the 25 you refere to. Good luck POW

Blackhawk44 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2003, 12:44:19 PM »

The only catches are: 307 brass is much thicker that regular 308 BUT due to the '94 action cannot be loaded to the same pressure levels, AND, you must use flatpoint (or quite filed) bullets in the tube magazine. This would leave you at about the level of a warm 250 Savage. If you go with the BLR action, why not just hunt for a factory 257 Roberts? Handloaded you get 3000-3100fps with 100 gr bullets, case capacities are within a grain or two; within 10-12fps of the 25 Souper in the same action and no custom work or expense. If you find a cheap 358 you can resell it to the Northwest for profit to finance a 257R or find a worn 243 (to rebore) or 308 to rebarrel. Could even rebarrel to 250 Savage and use the 22-250 magazines. Big difference in strength in '94 and BLR. Win '94 can handle about 40-44,000psi where BLR can handle 50-55,000psi. A lot of difference not counting flatpoint bullets vs. spitzers.

Prince of Wales · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2003, 04:58:14 AM »

Blackhawk, you can`t immagine how much I`d like to have a BLR in 257 Roberts. I`ve never found one for sale. Seems like they`re all in 243 or 308. Did see one in 284 Win once but did`nt have the money to buy it. Guy figured it was made of gold or some other precious metal. I`m always looking and one day yet I may find one for sale. I can understand why people are reluctant to part with them. Good luck. POW

Blackhawk44 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2003, 05:28:10 AM »

Just like you, after they get one they find that they are far too handy to ever part with, unlike sorry old 243's. Might check with Meinke & Meinke, King's Gun Works, or the Montana Rifleman about reboring and rechambering a 243. ?

Prince of Wales · « **Reply #11 on:** August 19, 2003, 07:11:21 AM »

Blackhawk I think if I was going to have a 243 rechambered and rebarreled it would be to 260 Rem. It is coming in while the 257 is going out(as far as production numbers). The 260 should do anything a 6.5 Swede will do and is based on the same case as the 243(308 Win).
So until I find a BLR in 257 I`ll have to be content with by B-78 in 25/06. That`s not too hard to live with. Good luck. POW

Blackhawk44 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2003, 10:09:53 AM »

POW- this week's Gun List - BLR 257 Roberts - $525. Its a start. Luck.

Prince of Wales · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2003, 05:13:02 AM »

whats the gun list? Good luck. POW

Blackhawk44 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 28, 2003, 06:07:24 AM »

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