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Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit

By Jennifer M. Freedman and Christopher Swann

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Asian and European leaders called for an overhaul of World War II-era banking rules, lending support to French President Nicolas Sarkozy as he pushes the U.S. to embrace greater supervision of global financial markets.

The leaders ``pledged to undertake effective and comprehensive reform of the international monetary and financial systems,'' according to a statement in Beijing yesterday. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao told reporters after the gathering of more than 40 heads of state and government that ``we need even more financial regulation to ensure financial safety.''

U.S. and European leaders have sparred over the causes of the credit crunch and how to cure it. Sarkozy has called for stricter government oversight of banks and hedge funds. President George W. Bush, who will host the Group of 20 industrialized and developing nations on Nov. 15, emphasized the role of free markets in a speech yesterday.

``It is foolish to think that within a few weeks Europe and the U.S. are going to be able to overhaul international financial regulation,'' said Allan Meltzer, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh. ``It will be extremely hard to come up with a consensus. I doubt the Europeans will even be able to agree among themselves.''

Meltzer chaired a U.S. congressional commission that studied the international financial system in 2000 after the Asian financial crisis.

European Proposals

The EU has floated the ideas of including more bank supervision, stricter regulation of hedge funds, new rules for credit-rating companies and changes at the International Monetary Fund. The French president has compared the effort to the 1944 Bretton Woods conference in New Hampshire that fixed exchange rates, hitched the world to the gold standard and created the IMF and World Bank.

``While the specific solutions pursued by every country may not be the same, agreeing on a common set of principles will be an essential step towards preventing similar crises in the future,'' Bush said in his weekly radio address.

Nations must focus on ``the fundamentals of long-term economic growth: free markets, free enterprise and free trade,'' Bush said.

The two-day summit in Beijing was the first meeting of Asian and EU chiefs since calls for coordinated action mounted along with bank failures and plunging stock prices that began last month.

IMF Scrutinized

``The IMF, World Bank and other agencies are falling behind the times,'' said Jeon Hyochan, a researcher at Samsung Economic Research Institute in Seoul. ``The agencies need to strengthen their ability to take pre-emptive measures.''

The Washington-based IMF is considering an emergency program to prevent a collapse of emerging markets by almost doubling borrowing limits for members and waiving its standard demands for economic austerity measures. The agency agreed Oct. 24 to lend Iceland $2.1 billion in accordance with existing rules after the island nation's banking system collapsed, threatening a prolonged economic contraction.

``There is a unanimous consensus to push forward reform,'' said Kazuo Kodama, a spokesman at Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs. No agreement has been reached on the details of that reform, he said.

Japan wants the IMF to be able to act in a ``nimble, speedy, timely manner'' and ``without excessively stringent conditions'' when helping poorer nations, said Osamu Sakashita, a spokesman for Prime Minister Taro Aso.

`Critical Role'

The EU and Asian leaders were less specific in their statement, which says the ``IMF should play a critical role in assisting countries seriously affected by the crisis.''

Sarkozy's campaign for an overhaul threatens to expose differences with the U.S. over global financial governance. That may provoke tensions and bog down talks while individual countries continue to act on their own to limit the fallout.

Sarkozy said the mid-November meeting in Washington will involve regulatory decisions because EU and Asian leaders agree that action is needed.

``We have all understood it would not be possible to simply meet and have a conversation,'' Sarkozy said. ``We needed to turn it into a decision-making forum.''

The gathering to be hosted by Bush, who leaves office in January, will be the first of a series of financial summits that will also address foreign-exchange rates, according to Sarkozy, who said talks about currencies may be put off until after Nov. 15. ``It is simply impossible to talk about the financial crisis without discussing currencies and the way in which they interact.''

Exchange Rates

The pound and the euro have both lost more than 20 percent against the dollar in the past three months, and more than 30 percent against the yen. Aso said derivatives products that ``flow around the world'' should also feature on the agenda.

South Korea stressed the importance of trans-Atlantic unity in taking any actions. ``If Europe and the U.S. become united, it would enhance whatever countermeasures are taken,'' South Korean President Lee Myung Bak said, according to his spokesman, Lee Dong Kwan.

The credit crisis is choking off funds to companies and people, undermining business and consumer sentiment. Economists at Deutsche Bank AG expect the Group of Seven economies to contract 1.1 percent next year, the worst since the Great Depression, and global growth to be the weakest since the 1980s.

Stock markets and commodities have tumbled along with currencies this year amid growing concern that governments, central banks and finance ministers are powerless to counter eroding corporate earnings and a global recession
 
 

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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008, 10:45:40 AM »
In translation this means we all are going to end up with the dirty end of the stick

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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 08:03:06 AM »
Dunno about which end of the stick your getting :-\.

 I have been watching some of the stuff going on in the EU. One country has established a fund from which banks may draw, however if they do there are some strict rules how they can use the money. The banks can't just salt it away, it must be used as capital to borrowers and the CEO of that bank has a cap on his salary.Nothing was said about bonus pay.

If we would have a single world currency based on something other then just paper( gold or siler?) I think it would be a good idea.
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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 08:11:18 AM »
Dunno about which end of the stick your getting :-\.

 I have been watching some of the stuff going on in the EU. One country has established a fund from which banks may draw, however if they do there are some strict rules how they can use the money. The banks can't just salt it away, it must be used as capital to borrowers and the CEO of that bank has a cap on his salary.Nothing was said about bonus pay.

If we would have a single world currency based on something other then just paper( gold or siler?) I think it would be a good idea.

Yeah it is a great idea to have the heads of state of OTHER COUNTRIES helping to decide what is best for Americans!   ::)

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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 08:30:12 AM »
if you look at who owns what in the USA you can see their concern .
AND THAT"S THE SHAME
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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 09:19:39 AM »
If we would have a single world currency based on something other then just paper( gold or siler?) I think it would be a good idea.
man you really have to think things through before you just throw something out there.   i might add,  i dont think you thought that one through.

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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2008, 10:03:51 AM »
Heather: Not everything coming from Europe or Asia is stupid, neither is everything from the US brilliant. If it was, you( and I)  wouldn't see this mess.

m3. OK what is your concern about one currency that actually has some value being used. At one time is was the British Pound Sterling, then the US $. It got there    be f o r e   and probably because it had a gold standard and later used to say " Silver Certificate" on the bills not " Federal Reserve Note.

I am old enough to have seen( not used) paper money printed for the Weimar Republic. Some of those bills had extra zero's printed on them by the banks because there was no time to issue new money with the higher amounts on them.  When you got payed on Friday, you went shopping for the whole week on that day because came Monday your money was deflated more then you can imagine. >:(
It would seem to me any country that would have to have solid backing( gold/silver, platinum or?) to the amount of paper money they can circulate would not get into such a crisis as we see now. Perhaps I am to simple to see why it wouldn't be workable :-\
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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 10:08:57 AM »
Heather: Not everything coming from Europe or Asia is stupid, neither is everything from the US brilliant. If it was, you( and I)  wouldn't see this mess.



Where did that come from?  I never said anything coming out of Europe and Asia was stupid.  What is stupid is to have world leaders make decisions that effect Americans.  It is unconstitutional and wrong!  It is the next step of the NWO!  Now if we want to take our current currency and restore it back to the Gold standard, then that is a wonderful idea.  A world currency to futher the NWO agenda is not so wonderful in my opinion.

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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2008, 10:17:17 AM »
heather answered for me.

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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 02:15:55 AM »
Heather , Its how world markets see us that affects our decisions and rule making . OUR leaders have spent years getting our products manf. sent off shore now we pay the price . In 1972 when i started in the plumbing field there were 18 pipe plants that made cast iron pipe - with OSHA , EPA , etc. we now have 3  .
We have to concern ourselves with the rest of the world or we will be doing with out !
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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 02:30:29 AM »
Heather , Its how world markets see us that affects our decisions and rule making . OUR leaders have spent years getting our products manf. sent off shore now we pay the price . In 1972 when i started in the plumbing field there were 18 pipe plants that made cast iron pipe - with OSHA , EPA , etc. we now have 3  .
We have to concern ourselves with the rest of the world or we will be doing with out !
We can put man on the moon but ya can't find screws made in the USA .

Well if everything was made domestically that might solve many of our problems.  We would have plenty of jobs to go around.  We wouldn't have to concern ourselves with policing the world. We wouldn't have to worry about tainted paint or milk from overseas.  All of the factory and plant building would stimulate the economy for sure.  With plants in the US we could control the amount of pollution produced and cut down on China's massive hand in global warming.  Hey it sounds like a good idea.  I'm no scholar but I think it would work.

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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 02:38:19 AM »
So did GEORGE WASHINGTON when he warned against getting entangled in forgin affairs !
Then we would only have to worry about raw materials , oil and food .
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Re: Asia, Europe Leaders Urge More Finance Rules Before Bush Summit
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 08:56:28 AM »
Heather:  I sit corrected ! You did not use the word "stupid".  but "helped to decide" with eyeball rolling at the end.
Seems to me if someone is helping, emphasis on helping, what is wrong with that?
As you wrote further that a gold standard would suit you as well so it appears to me that we are on a similar page or at least reading the same book :)

Absolutely  YES to bringing back manufacturing jobs or establishing massive tariffs to stem the inflow of cheap oversea products.
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