Ogama Slams the Constitution and Founding Fathers! He's One Who Doesn't Get It.

[deltecs]

Newsmax.com


Obama Attacks Founding Fathers, Constitution
Monday, October 27, 2008 3:10 PM

By: Phil Brennan

Barely noticed in the furor over Barack Obama's remarks dealing with re-distribution was the Illinois Democrat's assault on the Founding Fathers and the Constitution they created.


Said Obama: "To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical."


What followed that remark was a screed that should frighten the daylights out of any American who understands that the Constitution is the sole and most important safeguard of our rights and our liberties. Without it we are subjects, not citizens.


According to Obama if the Constitution "didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and [the] Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties."


The document, he argued, "Says what the states can’t do to you, says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf."


That remark shows a shocking ignorance of the purpose of the United States Constitution. Writing in National Review, Bill Whittle explained, "The entire purpose of the Constitution was to limit government."


And that's the last thing Barack Obama, a devout worshiper at the shrine of Big Brother government, wants to do. It would stop him from taking your money and giving it to someone else.


Obama's remarks would have sent shivers up the spine of Thomas Jefferson, et al. And they should do the same to all thinking Americans who know that without the Constitution as framed by the Founding Fathers to protect our rights and liberties, we would be at the mercy of a powerful and unrestrained Federal Government ruled by power-hungry men like Barack Obama, and not by law.
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So much for his rhetoric.  Obama's Constitutional philosophy is that the Warren Court correctly intrerpretted the Constitution as living document and the founding fathers did not understand what it was they had formed.  If this is not enough to shudder your bones, remember this is from a Constitutional attorney who probably will become President.  Just what is it about the Constitution that is so hard to understand?   The language is precise and clear, the rights and enumerated qualifications are easily understood, the form, format and type of government is clearly delineated with checks and balances to prevent government excess and authority.  Yet Obama wants the document read in a manner that suggests anything social to be covered at the expense of individualism and smaller government.  Any other interpretation leaves no room for his hidden policies to be enacted.  With all the skepticis of his telling America otherwise, there are way too many contradictions to his campaign for anyone with an ounce of intelligence to misunderstand his Marxist philosophy and power hungry mentality.  You have been warned, now who will hear?

[Graybeard]

You bet your ass it can and if he is elected WILL.

[BBF]

It will take only one liberal Supreme Court Judge replaing a conservative Judge and the barn door is open.

[ironglow]

  No surprise he doesn't like the Constitution...it wouldn't get along well with sharia law !

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79384

   AND THE CONNECTION TO THE RADICALS BACK AT COLUMBIA;
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1347

       ..read the last 4 paragraphs to see how closely the Obamas are related to Khalidi..
 

 

[deltecs]

Republican Congressman Warns of Obama Dictatorship
A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

AP

Monday, November 10, 2008

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WASHINGTON -- A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may -- may not, I hope not -- but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Broun said he also believes Obama likely will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.

Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.

"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."

Obama's transition office did not respond immediately to Broun's remarks.

Pray tell how a Civilian Security Force can enforce anything without taking the firearms away from the people.  Notice he wants this force to be stronger, better financed, and more powerful.  That is a huge stepping stone to go from a military budget to a civilian security budget more powerful.  Who then will stop this man from becoming a dictator?  I'm as concerned as this Georgia Congressman and we should be. 

[Matt]

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Pray tell how a Civilian Security Force can enforce anything without taking the firearms away from the people.  Notice he wants this force to be stronger, better financed, and more powerful.  That is a huge stepping stone to go from a military budget to a civilian security budget more powerful.  Who then will stop this man from becoming a dictator?  I'm as concerned as this Georgia Congressman and we should be. 

Greg, here is how people lose credibility... Now I agree with your overall view as to how bad this can get but to exaggerate what was said only makes you look foolish to those who are already informed on the matter thus decreasing your credibility...

[phalanx]

This is getting so bad that everywhere i look on the web people are saying he is going to make us a third world nation.
Even on the Hillary Forum they are saying this is going to become a blood shed situation.
Our Government has sold us out ,and we are not the ones who did all of this.
There will be no more Elections if this man gets in there.
We can not let this happen ,the American people were not even asked about this or voted for it.
In all of our history no American President has ever sold us out ,until now.
I do not know why our elected officials made this deal with the Devil ,but America is sobering up and is getting mad.
Obama is here to turn us into a Communist Country , The proof is all over the web and in News Papers and Radio now.
He is saying now his first order is to ban firearms and manufactures.
I relive people are going to try something and not just let our freedom fade into the night.
Can you relive this is happening ? they are tossing our rights out the window ,we will never be free again.

Matt where have you been ,deltecs is exactly right ,get a short wave and listen to the real world.
Man you cant believe what this Obama is trying to do to us.
On another forum a pawn shop owner said that he has sold out of guns ,and its Obama voters buying them .
Because they say he lied to them on about everything he said.
Obama is here to turn us into a Socialist Country and it even on the front page of Fox News  and News Week.

[deltecs]

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Pray tell how a Civilian Security Force can enforce anything without taking the firearms away from the people.  Notice he wants this force to be stronger, better financed, and more powerful.  That is a huge stepping stone to go from a military budget to a civilian security budget more powerful.  Who then will stop this man from becoming a dictator?  I'm as concerned as this Georgia Congressman and we should be. 

Greg, here is how people lose credibility... Now I agree with your overall view as to how bad this can get but to exaggerate what was said only makes you look foolish to those who are already informed on the matter thus decreasing your credibility...

Matt, the bold lettering in your post are not my words.  The article was an interview with a Georgia Congresman.  They are Obama's own words quoted in that article, which I've iterated along with the quote from him.  One talks about credibility, but I do not see how any civilian security force can be effective, unless government controls the arms in the hands of the populace.  Now please cite evidence from those who are already informed on the matter thus decreasing your (infer my) credibility, where my conclusions are erroneous.  I dearly would love to research those facts or are they just opinions, from other credible sources un named.  This same policy was listed on his website under agenda in quotations that now is revised or deleted.  The link from the original NRA article is no longer in existence and now is linked to Obama's Urban Development page.  This is not the same page as originally posted in the NRA article. 

[phalanx]

And deltecs you are going easy on this story ,just surf the web ,its going from back page quotes to head line news now.
This guy is a Nut ,and he is going to trash everything we hold dear.
that story is old news ,the newest is he is under the protection of the 3rd Infantry Division if he needs it.
If they were going to get him out of here they would have done it by now.
Story's and News Columns from abroad have already wrote us off ,we are not at all now what we were.
Why ? because they know something we are barely finding out , they say this man will never go away now.
We are the New USSR ,and we can thank Bush and our fine Congress for that.
Go to Canada free press, they are telling the truth and are hopeing it is going to spread up there.

[BBF]

Elections will continue, have no fear., The Soviet Union, China,Cuba and other People Republic type of Govt always had them. The difference is that there may only be one party on the ballot and the Govt will see to it that everybody gets out to vote if the have to go house to house to kick butts.
If there are two names on the ballot it wilbe l like two peas from the same pod. The end result is the same.

[Swampman]

Geeezzz....Honestly, can it get any worse than what happen to The Constitution the last 7.5 years...?

President Bush(a good man) prepared the way for satan himself.

[Heather]

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Pray tell how a Civilian Security Force can enforce anything without taking the firearms away from the people.  Notice he wants this force to be stronger, better financed, and more powerful.  That is a huge stepping stone to go from a military budget to a civilian security budget more powerful.  Who then will stop this man from becoming a dictator?  I'm as concerned as this Georgia Congressman and we should be. 

Greg, here is how people lose credibility... Now I agree with your overall view as to how bad this can get but to exaggerate what was said only makes you look foolish to those who are already informed on the matter thus decreasing your credibility...

Matt, the bold lettering in your post are not my words.  The article was an interview with a Georgia Congresman.  They are Obama's own words quoted in that article, which I've iterated along with the quote from him.  One talks about credibility, but I do not see how any civilian security force can be effective, unless government controls the arms in the hands of the populace.  Now please cite evidence from those who are already informed on the matter thus decreasing your (infer my) credibility, where my conclusions are erroneous.  I dearly would love to research those facts or are they just opinions, from other credible sources un named.  This same policy was listed on his website under agenda in quotations that now is revised or deleted.  The link from the original NRA article is no longer in existence and now is linked to Obama's Urban Development page.  This is not the same page as originally posted in the NRA article. 

I think the point Matt was trying to make is that the original article uses just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.  In your writing you used the terms "stronger, better financed, and more powerful"  Therefore you exaggerated what Obama said, and lost some of your credibility.

Heather

[Matt]

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Pray tell how a Civilian Security Force can enforce anything without taking the firearms away from the people.  Notice he wants this force to be stronger, better financed, and more powerful.  That is a huge stepping stone to go from a military budget to a civilian security budget more powerful.  Who then will stop this man from becoming a dictator?  I'm as concerned as this Georgia Congressman and we should be. 

Greg, here is how people lose credibility... Now I agree with your overall view as to how bad this can get but to exaggerate what was said only makes you look foolish to those who are already informed on the matter thus decreasing your credibility...

Matt, the bold lettering in your post are not my words.  The article was an interview with a Georgia Congresman.  They are Obama's own words quoted in that article, which I've iterated along with the quote from him.  One talks about credibility, but I do not see how any civilian security force can be effective, unless government controls the arms in the hands of the populace.  Now please cite evidence from those who are already informed on the matter thus decreasing your (infer my) credibility, where my conclusions are erroneous.  I dearly would love to research those facts or are they just opinions, from other credible sources un named.  This same policy was listed on his website under agenda in quotations that now is revised or deleted.  The link from the original NRA article is no longer in existence and now is linked to Obama's Urban Development page.  This is not the same page as originally posted in the NRA article. 

I think the point Matt was trying to make is that the original article uses just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.  In your writing you used the terms "stronger, better financed, and more powerful"  Therefore you exaggerated what Obama said, and lost some of your credibility.

Heather

B I N G O that is exactly what I was pointing out... please do not misunderstand I think we are screwed and see no need for what ob wants to do....  and as to the informed I was talking about... well that would be anyone who saw the interview and I am one of those who saw the interview

[deltecs]

Point conceded.  It was my impression that was the end result and posted such. 

[SDS-GEN]

Too many people in this country have forgotten that the government does not grant liberties, the Truths listed in the bill of rights were held "to be self evident" or provided by god to all who wanted them and were willing to fight for them.  

Government can only take liberties away.

[billy_56081]

With the filthy libs controliing both houses and the presidency, all the yhave to do is Impeach a conservative judge or 2 and viola. Full control. I think it's time to study a bit on armour pentrating weapons and improvised explosives. I do not believ that the US military will lift a finger against us, but I do believe that there will be another force used against us. Do not forget where the ememy lives if push comes to shove, be prepared to get dirty and to do things that most would never imagine doing. Also if there is to be a "Civilian security force" Let us infiltrate. One man on the inside can be more damaging that 100 on the outside.

[Swampman]

I do not believ that the US military will lift a finger against us

I disagree.

[phalanx]

There will be a lot of things you will see people do that you wouldn't believe.
We have already seen a lot of things we wouldn't even have thought we would see in this Country.
What i don't understand is why Obama has a plan for the  re-construction after the War ?
Is he expecting trouble ?
And yes our Millitary would fire on us , but they may be fired on back by their same guys.
All of that depends on your interpretation of your oath of service ,and what you feel GOD is to you.

[deltecs]

Here is a very good reason for not electing Obama.  Many posted about his federal judges appointments and this article explains it well.

Newsmax.com


Obama Will Change Balance on Courts Quickly
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:47 PM

By: Ronald Kessler

It’s a given that Barack Obama will change the balance on the courts to a liberal judicial outlook. What is surprising is how quickly he could do that.

Because Democrats dragged their heels on President Bush’s judicial nominations, 14 seats are open on appeals courts or will be by the end of January. Democratic nominees now are a majority on only one of the 13 federal appeals courts, the ultra-liberal U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco. Within four years, Obama could name enough judges to give Democrats a majority on nine of the 13 appeals courts.

On the Supreme Court, five justices are older than 70. The first likely to retire is Justice John Paul Stevens, who is 88. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 75. Justice David Souter, who will turn 70 next year, is known to be unhappy living in Washington. Assuming Obama is re-elected, Justices Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy will be 80 by his second term.

Thus, Obama will be able to name several Supreme Court justices. Given that Democrats hold a majority of the Senate, Obama will have little trouble obtaining confirmation of his appointees. A simple majority of the Senate confirms judicial appointments.

Obama has said that, in selecting judges, he would look for candidates who show “empathy” for the weak and underprivileged. He voted against two of President Bush’s appointments to the Supreme Court, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Sam Alito, because they did not side often enough with the downtrodden and disenfranchised.

Obama wants judges to have a bias in favor of an entire class of individuals. Imagine the outcry if Bush had said he wants courts to side with the privileged.

But what really sends chills up conservatives’ spines is the president-elect’s statement on a Chicago radio station that he is “not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts,” implying that he would like to change the courts so that they construct their own laws.

That raised a flag for Brad Berenson, who was associate counsel in the Bush White House and helped vet judicial appointments.

“Given his legal training and his background as a constitutional law professor, given what he’s said publicly about the kinds of judicial appointees he’ll be looking for, and given a very substantial majority of Democrats in the Senate, he’s going to be emboldened to try to please his base with very liberal appointments,” Berenson told Newsmax.

“During the campaign, when he was asked about what he would look for in a judge, the dominant theme of his comments was that he would look for a judge that would decide cases according to heart more than head, which suggests a substantive agenda in favor of helping certain favored or sympathetic groups in society, rather than a passion for finding judges who will neutrally apply the law, which was the animating principle for Bush judicial appointments,” said Berenson, who worked with Obama on the Harvard Law Review and then clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy.

“My general expectation is that he will look for people of quality, but he will look for people of quality who have a substantive liberal agenda on the bench, and as long as he has a substantial majority in the Senate, he may well get such people confirmed,” Berenson said. “Like any president, he’s going to be in a position to substantially influence the character of a lot of important courts around the country and to do so fairly quickly. For example, the 4th Circuit, which has long been one of the more conservative courts in the country, could be tipped decisively in a liberal direction just through an initial round of appointments. That is something that could happen within a year or two of his taking office.”

Others agree with that summation.

“Obama will be quite liberal because he doesn’t want to take the chance of having a moderate nominee, any more than a Republican president wants to take the chance of a moderate nominee,” Ken Klukowski, a legal expert who consults for major conservative interest groups, told Newsmax. “If he appoints someone that votes in a way against what his party base would anticipate, on some issue of critical concern to the left, whether it’s gay marriage, abortion, the second amendment, whatever it is, he knows that the political fallout for him could be catastrophic.”

Indeed, Klukowski said Obama may move to increase the number of federal judges, giving him an opportunity to alter the balance even more.

“Citing the fact that judges are overworked, that there’s a very heavy case load, you could see the Democrats ram through a new statute creating new judicial seats that Obama could fill,” Klukowski said. “That’s what happened with Jimmy Carter in the 1970s with the 9th Circuit. It was Carter who expanded the Ninth Circuit to 27 or 28 seats and created a whole raft of vacancies, which were then filled with liberal judicial activists who then waited until there was another Democrat president, Bill Clinton, before they all resigned to get replaced. That’s why the 9th Circuit is as far to the left as it is.”

Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com. View his previous reports and get his dispatches sent to you free via
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So, if I make the judge upset, he'll decide in favor of his heart instead of the terms of law.  Just what we need from federal judges.  Blame the tool and not the individual, is the liberal trend in these court cases.  It appears like Larry, The Cable Guy is right. "When my next door neighbor told me guns kill and hurt people, I said 'Good', because I can now blame my pencil for mospelled words."  The analogy is most appropriate. 

[phalanx]

The schools are reporting elevated bad behavior in Black children.  Teachers are quitting and these children parents are even worse.
They say they cant say any thing to them because Obama is now the King and your nothing but trash now.
They are telling the white and Hispanic kids that they will need to go find some other country to live in now ,and Principals are to say nothing to them at all.
A new term has shown up ,its called roplay, Rowdy Blacks go find a white person alone and beat them severely ,this has resulted in two Homicides now, and Police are baffled as to what to do.
Blacks say it is pay back for the Klan activity of the 50s and 60s in the South , no news paper will touch the story's for fear of reprisal.
Barrack Obama could tell them to stop ,but he refuses to adders this issue at all.
This story came off a wire from Canada ,it is about the only way we get any real news now.
It is off our line wire from one of our Divisions in Canada , the Canadian Government although Liberal feels this is a Disaster in the makeing for the US.

This is from a Fox news affiliate in Kansas City , The main page showed some of this but not all it entailed today.
The Obamas will be doing a complete remodeling of the white house ,and you guessed it it will no longer be white.
Projects include a Basketball court ,new Bowling ally , a new Movie theater ,and inside play park for the children.
The grounds will be totally redone and re planted with Willows.
The Library is to be redone into a game room  , when they were told they had to check with the Historical Society Barrack said that he didn't need to .
When one of the reporters said ,,it would then look like Neverland ,,she was fired by Fox under the pressure that it offended  Miss Obama.
The pre Estimate for this and it isnt even the start was 264 Million .
But Obama wants to name Arnold Schwarzenegger as his ,,Green Czar,, so he feels he is reaching out to us now.
But when he found out Arnold was a collector of firearms he said he would look elsewhere.
Meanwhile our economy is tanked , Russia is demanding a meeting with Obama , China is pulling in some long time loans made to some Banks and American Express .
Sporting goods stores have nearly no firearms left on the shelves and ammunition is all but gone also.
The FBI says that just the statistics they have tallied in the last 60 days ,the American Public is now the 4th largest Army in the World on small arms possession.
Caligula ,2008

[phalanx]

Yes, i can certainly see that you are going to be a lot of help in the coming years.
I don't come to this site a lot ,but on another site i have been on for years they certainly do not think i make anything up at all.In fact i dispel some of the things they find on other web sites . I have proven things to them by telling them about something and it happens in a day or so.

So i really do not care who you are because ,i come here to normally see deltecs .
He is a very good source for some of the information i like to follow up on ,and he is more prone to intelligent conversations rather than crude temper fits.

Anyway ,this was on a forum from an Army post i found ,while seeing if i could come up with anything about the protocol on the Millitary being used for Home land security . It would take a Presidential order to do that i believe but who knows these days. It was some servicemen talking to each other on the forum about how bad they think things are going to be. And the fact that all the gun stores have sold out of about everything they had.

Well don't think it isn't affecting the military; when I went to base yesterday to buy a PSL, pistol and an M4 I had to wait in line three hours to get up to the counter.
They pretty much didn't have anything left and the military folks are buying everything they can just like their civilian counterparts; the worry and fears of civil war are pretty much across the board.

How do i find out some things ? well two reasons ,i have three relatives who work for Fox news. And i work for a company that is a major Government Contractor and you see them all the time. I am a Division manager and with a pass word i can look at projects we are involved in all over the world. so ,my relationship with you isnt developing well enough to lose my job ,or those of my relatives .

Before the election i told the guys to pull in their 401Ks , they did and guess what ?
From some personnel at our Division in France i was told months ago about the true Obama , it seems they knew some things about him that were true. And of course to you ,i am just some yahoot, saying ,yeee haa and making up stories that could also get me in a lot of hot water .

And if you look on the Fox main page you will see the PC version of this story about the white house remodel. I will tell you all this , if you have children between the ages of 18 and 23 you need to be aware they will be required to serve in Obamas defense corps ,it will be mandatory  male and female. People our age will be required to serve 50 hours a year in various projects ,and this is all without pay and is a citizens duty.

Inappropriate personal attack and threat removed by Graybeard.

[phalanx]

I guess i made this up also.

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/follow-up-story-mombasa-imam-who-confirmed-obamas-birth-place-arrives-in-the-uk/

As for your two questions , Answer mine.

Inappropriate threat removed by Graybeard.

[Graybeard]

Sporting goods stores have nearly no firearms left on the shelves and ammunition is all but gone also.

Might be the case some places but not everywhere. In a quest for a specific rifle I wanted I travelled to three local gun stores yesterday. Yes I found precisely what I wanted even tho they are a bit rare in the market place yet. I'd guess between the three I saw 2500 or more firearms on display and I'm sure all had more in back not out on display. At two of the three they were unboxing new arrivals while I was there.

BUT for sure some guns at least are flying off the shelves really fast while others are setting untouched. Revolvers aren't moving that fast but semiautos are and ARs are getting real scarce. Ammo for .223s is just flat gone most places and primers seem to be almost impossible to find for rifles but pistol and shotgun primers seem in good supply.

For sure folks are arming at a faster pace than likely ever before other than maybe pre Y2K and I think what's happening now beats even that.

I believe a lot of folks are fully expecting a civil war to erupt. I'm one of them. I sure hope it doesn't but I really believe it's coming. I do not think 60 million armed Americans are all gonna stand and watch their country go down without a fight. They might but I just don't think so. If nothing else there are enough vets who pledged to serve and protect from all enemies both foreign and domestic to give things a kick start when it starts to come unravelled. I think a kick start is all it will take.

[phalanx]

GB  ,its been a lot closer twice now than we would like to see. The thought of it is a Horrifying reality to all of us.
But some of us wake up and for a few seconds its like things are normal ,then it hits ,it is real.
You are correct that a lot more Americans will not stand for this at all.
They feel we should be allowed to decide our own destiny and fate ,and not have that done for us in secret.
And the people who will stand up and say NO ,will come from places you would never think they would.
Watch your Internet ,it will be getting an adjustment some time soon.
Try not to spend a whole lot ,Economics is a new way of getting what you want.
And Pray , but never give up your 2nd Amendment ,when we do that we give up everything else we have.

Strength and Honor

[phalanx]

This morning there seems to be a wind blowing in from the North ,, http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/12/palin-future/
It doesn't look like just a tabloid glamor thing as much anymore , just a gut feeling and a lot of little things about the Emperors new Clothes looking a little worn lately.
Congress is being inundated with calls and mail telling them to get of their butts and to do something , even by some of the people who once thought the Pharaoh was the 10th wonder of the world.
The whole story about Palins inexperience is coming apart ,and the rats seem to be coughing up confessions about the slander they were engaged in .
McCain has come out now talking about how he had nothing to do with it all , and the story i posted about the man in Africa who brought those Documents to the UK, is a hot item in Europe right now.
Sometimes when Gods set themselves up as the icon they are not ,the Believers grow weary of the babble flowing from their mouths . 
This Gods major flaw was his own Ego , he basked in the light of a Glory that he felt was his destiny in life.
The Pope in Rome is one of his major critics , there Pharaoh made a mistake, forgetting  that the word of this leader ,could trump that of any Man turned god on Earth.
And this Leader has called Islam the Evil that it is today once before.
And the Pope can sway the opinions of Billions around the World , with just his words alone.
Plus this isnt your normal Pope , he was once in the Hitler youth , and once before in his life he saw a false god rise to power in a manner much as we see here.
And this is also the Pope that was put into the place he is now, to not only purge the Church of the perversions seen under the one before him ,but to bring it back to the symbol it is meant to be.
He is the old Roman Catholic Leader ,not the PC type leader known as simply the Catholic Church.
Just a thought , but it seems a lot of the fateful are leaving the ranks of the Boy King lately.
Plus the Southern Baptist seem to be on board also in removing the mask of lies surrounding this controversy.

Continue your prayers America , they are not falling on deaf ears.

[ironglow]

 BHO claimed he would "unite" the nation..looks like he's doing just that..Yeah , sure...and white leghorns have webbed feet!

[deltecs]

BHO claimed he would "unite" the nation..looks like he's doing just that..Yeah , sure...and white leghorns have webbed feet!

Well, it looks like Obama is attempting to unite the nation by considering a Washington insider to be Sec of State in Hillary Clinton.  This is another example of his change.  Change back to the Clinton days with all the lies, scandals and corruption, so the media with all the fan fare will have something other to print than foreign wars.  For a president elect who campaigned on change, read the article below.

Obama's 'Change' Administration Leans on Clinton Officials for Transition
Barack Obama has tapped a number of Clinton-era officials to help guide the transition process -- but come Inauguration Day, it's unclear whether the old hands will hand off power, or stick around. 

FOXNews.com

Thursday, November 13, 2008

Barack Obama is leaning heavily on Clinton-era officials to guide his presidential transition process. (AP Graphic)

Few have questioned Obama's need to tap experienced hands in a time of economic crisis. But with deja vu starting to set in, some are questioning whether the old guard will be handing off power come Jan. 20, or sticking around for an encore.

John Podesta, chief of staff under former President Bill Clinton, is co-chairing Obama's transition team. And the president-elect on Wednesday named a team of six people, all of whom served in some capacity under Clinton, to head the agency review in the State, Defense and Treasury departments.

Obama has authorized former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to join former Republican Rep. Jim Leach in representing him among the gathering of delegations from 20 countries this weekend at the global economic summit.

And his White House staff has already started on a Clintonesque note. He tapped Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel, a former Clinton adviser, to be his chief of staff. And Democratic sources say Vice President-elect Joe Biden has chosen Ron Klain, Al Gore's former chief of staff, to serve in the same role for him. (Klain was also a Biden adviser during his Democratic primary bid.)

So will the trend continue once Obama is president?

"The last thing he wants is a headline that says, 'Obama Administration: Clinton Administration, Part Three,'" said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics.

David Lewis, political science professor at Vanderbilt University, said it has become commonplace for transition teams to rely heavily on Washington veterans. But he said Obama's challenge will be to balance old and new faces in high-level positions after Inauguration Day.

"That's the difficulty in being a 'change' candidate. The supply of people available tends to be people who've worked in an administration," said Lewis, who is also part of the White House Transition Project, a resource of experts for presidential transition teams.

"[Obama will] have to do some visible signaling that he's doing something different. ... You've got to have a balance of newcomers but also experienced hands to guide you through the tricky Washington environment."

The lengthy roster of potential Cabinet appointees runs the gamut from seasoned Clinton officials to current and retired members of Congress to Obama's Chicago confidants.

Two potential candidates from the '90s who are mentioned often are Lawrence Summers, former Treasury secretary, to replace current Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson; and Eric Holder, former deputy attorney general, to replace Attorney General Michael Mukasey. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who served as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and as energy secretary under Clinton but who broke with the Clintons when he endorsed Obama last winter, has also been floated for secretary of state. 

Even Hillary Clinton is reportedly under consideration for secretary of state. But aides wouldn't address the scuttlebutt. "We're not commenting on speculation," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said of the rumors.

Sabato said Obama's Washington "is going to reflect Obama, not Bill Clinton."

"He didn't run flat-out for two years in order to re-empower the Clinton people -- you may recall he ran against someone named Clinton," Sabato said.

In recent years, though, members of presidential transition teams have often made their way into the new administration.

President Bush's transition director in 2000 was Clay Johnson, who later became deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget. Another Bush transition official, Joshua Bolten, became director of the budget office and later White House chief of staff.

In 1992, Bill Clinton's transition personnel director Richard Riley was tapped to be education secretary, and his transition leader Warren Christopher became secretary of state.

The Obama campaign vigorously denied an Associated Press report earlier this week that said Christopher had been tapped again to advise Obama on his State Department transition.

While it's unclear how heavily Obama will rely on Clinton officials once he begins announcing his appointments, Republicans have already criticized him for tapping figures like Emanuel with a rough-around-the-edges reputation.

"It's revealing that some of his first appointments are hyper partisan political hacks," said Alex Conant, spokesman for the Republican National Committee. "When people think about change they don't think about Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod."

Axelrod, Obama's Chicago-based campaign strategist, is widely expected to assume an adviser role in the Obama administration.

FOXNews.com's Judson Berger and Steve Brown and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[phalanx]

Boy now there's a pair. I wonder if Bill still has Monicas phone number ?

[ironglow]

Phalanx;
   I have enjoyed your posts..just don't get so rough that GB has to zap parts of them. I tried the links you posted..some come up "error" or for some reason can't connect. I did get into the API website..but was hit with "error" again. Surfed the site and found it interesting. I did see where there is a debate about a Michelle Obama tape, but not for viewing. Do you have any idea what was  the gist of that tape?
    I am certainly disturbed with O's pronouncement about a "civilian security force". He wants to fund it equal or better than our military; shucks the Soviet Union didn't give the KGB near that much power, nor the Nazis their Gestapo anything of the kind.
  Sure smacks of a police state..Remember, O's buddy..Wm Ayers said that if they took over, as many as 250,000,000 of us would need to be "re-educated" (gulag style I guess) and some 25,000 would not make it and have to be liquidated.

   BTW: Will this be the basis of his "civilian security force"..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg&feature=related

[phalanx]

ironglow ,their seems to be a lot of sight tampering happening  more each day.
Obamas thought Police i guess , some people send me links that by the time i try to open them they are in error.
Yes i do know what the tape is about ,and what is said on it.
A good many of Obamas so called trusted ,are not that from being driven to the point that his recent rhetoric has caused even them to seek out those who need to know .
Some groups are working together in exchanging information that is vital in their needing to get the truth out in this problem, that we better wake up to.
Cooler heads are becomeing not so cool anymore , and some in the Media are real close to going for broke and spilling the beans.
One story i cant confirm was that in 2005 Bush was told that Bombs were now located in Major city's , they came in from his failed Border policy's.
He was told to conform or else ,some how i believe if you told Bush that in his office he would pound you to a pulp ,then kick you out.
But they say that is why he acts so strange now days , but i still feel that is a little to out there to believe.
If that were so why did he continue his War in Iraq ?
But what ever the reason was , we as the American people still should have been told ,if it was a Nuclear threat then let us decide what we want to do ,and not have it done for us then not know what is going on.

Oh the Video of the BPs holding a night stick ? they didn't show another location where a big guy made them both wear that stick.