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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2008, 02:05:37 AM »
I thought about the same motive.  With AR's becoming increasingly accepted for their accuracy, would a bolt action manufacturer cater to a gun-grabber for market-share advantages? Wouldn't he be surprised when the antis next campaign is against "sniper rifles".  (And it will be.) But, I am not big into conspiracy theories. 

I wonder why some Montanan, in 2004, decided to send BO money in an Illinois senatorial race?  We already have a surplus of anti-gun yelpers in this state.  We have all the "common sense" guns bans we need already.  We are already miserable enough here without some Montana jerk funding an Illinois senatorial candidate.

I think he is just a misguided, dishonest liberal.  (Sorry for the redundant terms.) 


It would be interesting to hear Mr. Cooper's honest explanation of his motives - if anybody even cares.

I hope the door did hit him in the a$$ on the way out.
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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2008, 08:11:51 AM »
Have you noticed that Montana is trending Democrat? Ever wondered why?

The answer is simple.  Hunters and sport fishermen want access to public land.  Big mining and logging companies want to restrict public access and they have the ear of the Republicans.  In Montana there is a serious political tension between hunters and fishermen on one side and big business on the other.

A few years ago Montana  Democrats welcomed Montana hunters and fishermen with open arms.  Sportsmen now make up a big percentage of the Montana Democratic party. They have elected a centrist Democrat governor who is a strong hunting and firearms advocate.   

You can live in the past or you can live in the future, but times they are a changin. 

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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2008, 08:15:13 AM »
They'll have acess to public land, but to guns to hunt.  How will that work?

"Sportsmen" who vote for democrats are fools.
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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2008, 08:54:29 AM »
Hunters in Montana realize that without them the Dems couldn't win, and without the Dems they wouldn't have access to hunt.

As to the 2nd Amendment, we won.  The Supreme Court decision changed the landscape forever.  The big city politicians can't ban ownership by law abiding citizens.  Neither can congress or anybody else.  They can, however, enact reasonable restrictions with the thumb heavily on the side of the right to bear arms.  Most big city politicians think they can live with that.  Over the next few years there will be some fights over what is reasonable and what isn't, but the constitutional war is over.  America won and won big.

Right now we need to be promoting safe shooting every where we can.  We need to be doing things like promoting target shooting in every high school.   ShootingUSA had a program about a tournament just recently. http://www.shootingusa.com/TV_SCHEDULE/SHOW_27-13/show_27-13.html ,  The NRA needs to get back into the business of  promoting shooting sports and target practice. 

What good would promoting things like air rifle, small bore and trap in high schools do?  Well every kid that goes through one of those programs is going to be a gun person.  More importantly, I bet trained high school shooters are less likely to engage in gun violence than untrained gang bangers.  I bet kids who are focused on high school shooting tied to scholarships are less likely to join gangs. 

Sorry if I am an unrealistic dreamer, but that is just the way I am.   



 

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2008, 08:55:02 AM »

You can live in the past or you can live in the future, but times they are a changin. 



I guess I am having trouble correlating how, by not approving of Obama's proven anti-gun stance and a firearms manufacturer who supports him financially, that someone is "living in the past".   Although, "the past" may be quite desirable for gun owners as compared to what may lie in the future under a liberal/Obama trifecta in government. 

Democrats sure don't welcome Illinois hunters and fisherman with open arms.  Must be a different Democratic party. 

I haven't missed voting since 1968, after the service.  Voting is an awesome right and privilege.  That is why I believe it is important to base one's choice on facts and reality.

They'll have acess to public land, but to guns to hunt.  How will that work?

"Sportsmen" who vote for democrats are fools.

You got that right Swampman.  I read in Field & Stream where Obama stated that he didn't have much opportunity to hunt & fish. He never did either in Illinois, but he did spearfish while snorkeling in Hawaii. He said something to the effect that spearfishing was like hunting - underwater.
Maybe he envisions that future hunting should be done with spears. (only)
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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2008, 09:00:47 AM »
You keep saying his "proven' anti gun stance, but where is the proof?  You can say it, but that doesn't make it so.  He claims to support gun ownership.  That is what he claims. 

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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2008, 09:05:25 AM »
Hunters in Montana realize that without them the Dems couldn't win, and without the Dems they wouldn't have access to hunt.

As to the 2nd Amendment, we won.  The Supreme Court decision changed the landscape forever.  The big city politicians can't ban ownership by law abiding citizens.  Neither can congress or anybody else.  They can, however, enact reasonable restrictions with the thumb heavily on the side of the right to bear arms.  Most big city politicians think they can live with that.  Over the next few years there will be some fights over what is reasonable and what isn't, but the constitutional war is over.  America won and won big.

Right now we need to be promoting safe shooting every where we can.  We need to be doing things like promoting target shooting in every high school.   ShootingUSA had a program about a tournament just recently. http://www.shootingusa.com/TV_SCHEDULE/SHOW_27-13/show_27-13.html ,  The NRA needs to get back into the business of  promoting shooting sports and target practice. 

What good would promoting things like air rifle, small bore and trap in high schools do?  Well every kid that goes through one of those programs is going to be a gun person.  More importantly, I bet trained high school shooters are less likely to engage in gun violence than untrained gang bangers.  I bet kids who are focused on high school shooting tied to scholarships are less likely to join gangs. 

Sorry if I am an unrealistic dreamer, but that is just the way I am.   



 




Ron,
You certainly do sound like an idealist and a nice guy.  I think you are misinformed and naive, but no doubt a good person.  I do agree with you about promoting the shooting sports and bringing young folks into it.  I regretfully assure you that BO and friends do not.

I have to agree with your last sentence about yourself.  You are an unrealistic dreamer. 
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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2008, 09:29:22 AM »
Ron,
You asked for proof of Obama's anti-gun positions?

That is a daunting task all right.  It's kind of hard to pick out so much -out of so much.  Maybe this sums it up the best:


CHICAGO, Oct 15, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The following is the text of an open letter to the nation's hunters and sportsmen issued today by Illinois State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson:

Fellow Sportsman,
Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.

I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.

Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a "friend" of the law-abiding gun owner?

And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let's not forget Obama's pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN's international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.

Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people's money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a "friend" of the law-abiding gun owner?

By now, I'm sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called "American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)" talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.

In closing, I'd like to remind you that I'm a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation's outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.

That's the Barack Obama I know.

The ISRA is the state's leading advocate of safe, lawful and responsible firearms ownership

You may view this as propoganda.  For me, who has lived in the state that Obama represents, and has gone head to head with his cronies, it is the truth.
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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2008, 09:58:09 AM »
Thanks.

Do you have the citation of the bill mentioned in the article? 

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2008, 10:59:20 AM »
Hunters in Montana realize that without them the Dems couldn't win, and without the Dems they wouldn't have access to hunt.

As to the 2nd Amendment, we won.  The Supreme Court decision changed the landscape forever.  The big city politicians can't ban ownership by law abiding citizens.  Neither can congress or anybody else.  They can, however, enact reasonable restrictions with the thumb heavily on the side of the right to bear arms.  Most big city politicians think they can live with that.  Over the next few years there will be some fights over what is reasonable and what isn't, but the constitutional war is over.  America won and won big.

Right now we need to be promoting safe shooting every where we can.  We need to be doing things like promoting target shooting in every high school.   ShootingUSA had a program about a tournament just recently. http://www.shootingusa.com/TV_SCHEDULE/SHOW_27-13/show_27-13.html ,  The NRA needs to get back into the business of  promoting shooting sports and target practice. 

What good would promoting things like air rifle, small bore and trap in high schools do?  Well every kid that goes through one of those programs is going to be a gun person.  More importantly, I bet trained high school shooters are less likely to engage in gun violence than untrained gang bangers.  I bet kids who are focused on high school shooting tied to scholarships are less likely to join gangs. 

Sorry if I am an unrealistic dreamer, but that is just the way I am.   

Well, I think some of this post needs some criticism.  All the Heller case did was to declare the Constitution recognized the right of the individual to access and own a firearm in his own home in DC, period. The decision did not address any States firearms restrictions in that State.  Yes, the decision indicates an individual ownership and possession in his home under federal control, which is the foundation that will used for future cases against State restrictions.  Those have not been decided, nor should pro firearms owners think this decision is absolute for the rest of the Nation. 
I wonder if Montana's Democratic governor's pro firearm stance will stay the same, if his party and Obama enact extremely restrictive firearms laws?  Or is he another party follower?   
I agree with the schools promoting firearms safety and shooting programs.  But I don't think the elitist liberals and socialists want this type of education.  Since most educators and teachers are liberal by their education, it is unlikely for any National or even State level educational programs that teach our youngsters shooting and firearms safety. 
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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2008, 11:03:22 AM »
This is yet another stupid post!

Yes, let's get together and put ANOTHER American company out of business because we don't agree with it's CEO. 
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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2008, 12:46:25 PM »
This is yet another stupid post!

Yes, let's get together and put ANOTHER American company out of business because we don't agree with it's CEO. 

Is this any different than Americans who choose to NOT buy gasoline from Citco because it is owned by Hugo Chavez?

Is it any different than Americans who choose TO give their money to a specific merchant because they support him for whatever reason.

As the saying goes - Money speaks louder than words. Many sportsmen want to be heard on this matter. Determining where to drop down their $$$$$$$ is an effective way to be heard.

I don't believe that anyone expects Cooper Firearms to be put out-of-business over this but I do think that many sportsman would like Cooper to know how they feel.

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« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2008, 01:04:15 PM »
This is very different than Chavez but that is another story.

This IS LIKE the LA riots.  The people that LIVE in LA area destroyed the area they live in.  How stupid is that?
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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2008, 01:30:56 PM »
Ahhh, I got it now..........

It's not good to boycott a gunmaker whose CEO takes part of the proceeds from your purchases and funds an anti-gunner's campaigns because you might hurt his business, and presumably his capacity and desire to continue to support said anti-gunner who endorsed the idea of making it illegal for Les Baer. Rock River Arms. Amalite, and Springfield Armory to stay in business, at least in Illinois.

Makes perfect sense. ::) ::)

I don't think everyone is calling for the destruction of Cooper Arms.  The company apparently saw fit to show Mr. Cooper the door.  Apparently they feel the same way many of us do.  Maybe you should petition them against such a rash act.

LA riots?  My oh my.  ::) ::)
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« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2008, 01:43:19 PM »
Cooper knew too well the customer base.  Knew things like "Don't buy Cooper Rifles" would start and the customers would stop buying.
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« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2008, 02:04:44 PM »
Go ahead RON vote for Obama. Just make sure you think about a baby ripped out aof its mother and its brains sucked out of it, just think about it laying there quivering, it's a choice, YOUR choice.

You liberals make me sick to my stomach. You protect child molesters and murderers and you speak of CHOICE. You blabber about little things like public land and hunting and fishing all while the blood of the unborn is on YOUR hands.
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« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2008, 02:47:41 PM »
"All the Heller case did was to declare the Constitution recognized the right of the individual to access and own a firearm in his own home in DC, period." 

It was much more than that and you know it.  The case recognized the Constitutional right of an individual to possess and own a fire arm.    

"The decision did not address any States firearms restrictions in that State."

Of course not, the right to own a firearm is just like any other Constitutional right. Every individual restriction has to be viewed on its own merits.  But as with all Constitutional rights the State has a high burden to prove any restriction is Constitutional.

"Those have not been decided, nor should pro firearms owners think this decision is absolute for the rest of the Nation."

You are right.  Those cases haven't been decided.  But the basic principal has been established. That was the big hurdle. The rest is filling in the blanks.  Keep on giving money to pay for the NRA's lawyers, but in a few years those questions will mostly be decided.
 
"I wonder if Montana's Democratic governor's pro firearm stance will stay the same, if his party and Obama enact extremely restrictive firearms laws?  Or is he another party follower?"

His stance will stay the same if he wants to win re-election. 
   
"I agree with the schools promoting firearms safety and shooting programs.  But I don't think the elitist liberals and socialists want this type of education.  Since most educators and teachers are liberal by their education, it is unlikely for any National or even State level educational programs that teach our youngsters shooting and firearms safety."

Have you tried, or are you frightened by "elitist liberals?"  I know a lot of teachers and school administrators who hunt.  Two of my sons shot trap for their high school team.  Of course, I don't live in New York City, but I don't live in the country either.

What the hell is a socialist anyway, and what does socialism have to do with anything in this discussion?   


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« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2008, 04:04:22 PM »
What does this have to do with socialism!?!?!?!?!  What is socialist!?!?!?!?!? The type of ignorance i would expect from anyone who can find merit in somebody like obama.  Not calling anyone names.  Ignorance is the lack of information.  Dont take it personally, just get informed.
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« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2008, 04:22:52 PM »
What does this have to do with socialism!?!?!?!?!  What is socialist!?!?!?!?!? The type of ignorance i would expect from anyone who can find merit in somebody like obama.  Not calling anyone names.  Ignorance is the lack of information.  Dont take it personally, just get informed.

I take it you are unable to articulate an answer.     

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« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2008, 04:42:45 PM »
Answers in short: 

What the hell is a socialist anyways?


Barack Obama is a socialist. A socialist advocates a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the government

What does this have to do with socialism?


Barack Obama is pushing a socialist agenda.  If elected, this will decay the American system of government to the core, in such a way that permanent damage will be done.  It will be up to our children to try desperately to repair the damage dont by such an extremest.

Its is my opinion, that supporting socialism in our government is a direct attack on the American way of life.  It is a failed system of government that has led to nothing other than catastrophe.


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« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2008, 05:44:40 PM »
Hunters in Montana realize that without them the Dems couldn't win, and without the Dems they wouldn't have access to hunt.

As to the 2nd Amendment, we won.  The Supreme Court decision changed the landscape forever.  The big city politicians can't ban ownership by law abiding citizens.  Neither can congress or anybody else.  They can, however, enact reasonable restrictions with the thumb heavily on the side of the right to bear arms.  Most big city politicians think they can live with that.  Over the next few years there will be some fights over what is reasonable and what isn't, but the constitutional war is over.  America won and won big.

Right now we need to be promoting safe shooting every where we can.  We need to be doing things like promoting target shooting in every high school.   ShootingUSA had a program about a tournament just recently. http://www.shootingusa.com/TV_SCHEDULE/SHOW_27-13/show_27-13.html ,  The NRA needs to get back into the business of  promoting shooting sports and target practice. 

What good would promoting things like air rifle, small bore and trap in high schools do?  Well every kid that goes through one of those programs is going to be a gun person.  More importantly, I bet trained high school shooters are less likely to engage in gun violence than untrained gang bangers.  I bet kids who are focused on high school shooting tied to scholarships are less likely to join gangs. 

Sorry if I am an unrealistic dreamer, but that is just the way I am.   



 

"As to the 2nd Amendment, we won".  Very naive, this has been ruled before, so if a decision was final, how does it come up again. Once Obama picks new Supreme Court Judges, what keeps this matter from coming up again & a different ruling? Nothing!!!!

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« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2008, 05:47:07 PM »
Thanks.

Do you have the citation of the bill mentioned in the article? 

Oh, would you like his record for the nine hundreth time? OK  ::)

  http://www.nssf.org/voterED/

  http://www.gunbanobama.com

Heller decision will not prevent a Cogressional ban with O's signature, no way.
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« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2008, 10:30:46 PM »
Hey Ron Byers
I'd like to address just a few points you made.
1. I don't care what pro-Obama folks think about our boycott.  But, I bet Cooper does.  You somehow imply that boycotting is undemocratic.  Ask Barack Hussein how many boycotts he supported.
2.  You, not us, reflect poorly on the gun community.  Perhaps we should conduct our displeasure with Cooper like ACORN did to the Mortgage Companies.  Acorn thugs (Obama's friends) picketed out front of the CEO's homes, followed their wives and children to schools and shopping centers, terrorizing them!
3.  We never eat our own.  Ask Cooper if he now considers himself one of our own.
4.  You say we need to engage in education.  Do you mean the kind of improvements in education like  Bill Ayers hired Obama to do?  Not one penny was spent to improve any learning skills.  No, those millions were spent by Obama on instructing Chicago children in how to become Neighborhood agitators, America haters.  Just like Barack Hussein!!!
5.  One stinkin Supreme Court appointment can blow the last decision to oblivion.
6.  I'm sure you would love to spoon-feed us your sputum, your version of what is "reasonable restriction and overreaching".  Tell Pelosi, Barny Frank and Harry Reid.
7.  Imagine that!  You think the boycott is ill advised. 
8. You ask us to compromise.  Every single time in my life that I compromised, I regretted it.
9.  You urge me to vote.  I'm sure you would be brokenhearted if I didn't.  What do you say about ACORN"s version of getting-the-vote-out?  Do you remember the Dem's first bail-out plan?  It included billions (with a B) for Acorn.  That's yo peeps dude.
10.  Yea, I know the libs want me to hunt on their land.  That's why Ted Turner's organization is buying MILLIONS of acres that he proudly proclaims "No hunter will ever walk on".  Most of this land is in Montana.  Home of COOPER!!
11.  You rightly say we have an opportunity to "steer" the future.  I hope to steer it away from you, Cooper and Barack Hussein.
12.  So, Cooper obtained for us entry into the Obama camp.  You can have my invitation.  I'll stick with those who's hands are not covered with the spilled blood of the unborn.  Your choice man, voted "present" more times than any other Illinois lawmaker in history.  He just didn't wanna get all involved in boring politics.  But he sure woke up to ENSURE that any baby surviving attempted murder would be denied medical treatment!
13.  Any attempt to pass legislation that would be tough on crime has been branded "racist" by Barack Hussein and his ilk.
14.  I'm sure you take great comfort in the fact that you have others who agree with your choice as the next president of the greatest nation in the history of the world.  Let's just name a few of Barrack Hussein's supportors; Hugo Chavez, Ahmadinijahd, The Taliban, Syria's pres Assad, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, Farrakhan, Putin, etc.....  Let's not forget the courageous and honorable citizens of France and Germany.  You keep interesting company Ron!  I'm sure you're proud to stand with this bunch.

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2008, 12:41:19 AM »
The Obama supporters were told to go out and lie on the issue of guns. I think we have one of those fellers right here. Heck what is lying, cheating and even breaking a few laws to people who support, ripping a baby out of a woman, sucking its brains out and leaving it quiver on a platter. Heck to them its only a choice. For anyone who supports the afore mentioned, lying and breaking election laws is chicken feed.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2008, 01:32:59 AM »
Don't sugar coat it tell us how you really feel !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2008, 02:09:11 AM »
Answers in short: 

What the hell is a socialist anyways?


Barack Obama is a socialist. A socialist advocates a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the government
Oh,  you mean like George W. Bush nationalizing the banks. 

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Barack Obama is pushing a socialist agenda.  If elected, this will decay the American system of government to the core, in such a way that permanent damage will be done.  It will be up to our children to try desperately to repair the damage dont by such an extremest.

Its is my opinion, that supporting socialism in our government is a direct attack on the American way of life.  It is a failed system of government that has led to nothing other than catastrophe.


I am opposed to socialism, but socialism hasn't any more to do with this discussion than abortion.  If you want to talk about something else, lets take it to the proper forum. 
 



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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2008, 02:10:07 AM »
 Don't forget to Vote.

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2008, 02:18:34 AM »
http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/

We're eliminating 17 specific assault weapons. There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to protect themselves or their family, We're limiting handgun sales to one a month. We're calling for handgun registration."

- Barack Obama
Chicago Defender, 2/20/01


Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."

- Joe Biden
Associated Press, 11/18/93

Be sure to click on the Gunblast.com link to read the article...

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2008, 02:28:48 AM »
Ron,
If you don't understand what a socialist is, you can't understand the difference between the political philosophies and positions that are at the core of this discussion about a bolt action rifle manufacturer and his political actions. 
CIVES ARMA FERANT - Let the citizens bear arms.
POLITICIANS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO TERMS - ONE IN OFFICE AND ONE IN PRISON.... Illinois already does this.

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Re: Don't buy Cooper Rifles!
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2008, 02:49:06 AM »
Cement Man, I understand what a socialist is better than anybody on this forum.  What we are talking about here is gun owners eating their own.  We can either accept we are part of a democracy and persuade people to the rightness of our positions or we can bay at the moon.  A lot of folks around  here want to dine on our own and bay at the moon.