Don't buy Cooper Rifles!

[SHOOTALL]

didn't buy REBA tapes when she went gun control either !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cement Man]

Cement Man, I understand what a socialist is better than anybody on this forum.  What we are talking about here is gun owners eating their own.  We can either accept we are part of a democracy and persuade people to the rightness of our positions or we can bay at the moon.  A lot of folks around  here want to dine on our own and bay at the moon. 

Pardon me.  I thought you asked "What the hell is a socialist anyway?"  Well, you did.  I obviously misinterpreted that question.

So, there are two choices huh?  "accept............  or bay at the moon".  Those that disagree with you just bay at the moon?  Can't have a different viewpoint than you, huh?
 
I just returned from voting.  For me, the discussion, in practical terms for today, is over. 

Enjoy your dreams.

[Bart Solo]

Cement Man

I wanted to find out what you all knew.  It was clear that the use of the word "socialist" was not relevant to this conversation.

Obama is up all across the nation.  Republicans are losing everywhere. 

I don't want anybody to "reasonably restrict" my right to own guns out of existence.  It seems to me that we can pray the "liberal elites," who are going to be in an absolute majority by tomorrow, don't take our rights away or we can think smart.  That might mean figuring out what we can live with and shaping the discussion. That is why I am talking about expanding shooting education into our educational system.  I also am talking about taking inner city kids hunting.  I want to eliminate the kind of gang banger "gun culture" that restricts my rights.   

The times they are a changin.  We have to change with them.  Screaming and yelling abstract "rights" without doing anything positive is like shaking  your fist at the rain.  It feels good, but doesn't solve a thing. 

Disagreeing with me is great.  I hope you disagree with me a lot.  That isn't baying at the moon.  If you want to see baying at the moon read billy's posts.  They are the very definition of baying at the moon.

Thanks for voting.  I just got back, too.  

[oldelkhunter]

 

[Cement Man

I wanted to find out what you all knew.  It was clear that the use of the word "socialist" was not relevant to this conversation.

Obama is up all across the nation.  Republicans are losing everywhere.
/quote]

In spite of all the MSM backing him, 3 TV anchors flying with him on his world tour, Informercials and 1/2 hour spot before the World Series and spending what Bush and Kerrey spent combined in the last election this will still be a close election. You ask people here to provide proof of Obamas stance on gun control, how about you provide us with links to bills that defend sportsmens rights authored by this moron?  That is not going to happen because they don't exist. I don't believe in rhetoric that is spewed on either side of the aisle during this or any other campaign so please spare us with  he/she said this and it is going to happen. It's not going to happen, anyone with an IQ above room temperature would know that.

[Bart Solo]

Let's pick this up tomorrow depending on who wins. 

Today, everybody needs to get out and vote. 

[wareagleguy]

I tell you guys one thing.  If I ever get enough money together I WILL BUY a Cooper rifle.  Have you seen some of the targets those things shoot? 

[Swampman]

They shoot about as well as any Model 700 Remington.

[oldelkhunter]

 I would buy 2 of them and use one for spare parts..don't worry they will be real cheap real soon

[wareagleguy]

Swamp,
You really need to look at the tagets from Copper.  No way a factory Remington shoots that good.  I have owned MANY Remingtons and I know better that that.

[Swampman]

I've owned many factory Remingtons that shot that good.

[Cement Man]

Cement Man

I wanted to find out what you all knew.  It was clear that the use of the word "socialist" was not relevant to this conversation.

No Ron, what is clear is that you do not understand how socialism is related to this discussion and therefore cannot make the connection.  It isn't the primary issue in this discussion, but there are links that obviously escape you.

I don't know you but I have this picture of Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain in 1939 that keeps resurfacing.  "Don't worry boys, this is great deal! I think this guy mighta had other intentions, but I "shaped" the discussion!"   

By the way, help me understand something.  Why, when a gun owner disapproves of a gun maker CEO funding the campaign of an anti-gun candidate (in my case, especially so as Cooper sent Obama $$ in 2004 during the Illinois senatorial race - which pretty much disproves the first lie about defeating Hillary) is that called "eating your own"?
Isn't a gun maker who betrays the rights and interests of his gun buying/owning customers "eating his own"??

[wareagleguy]

Be careful Swamp.  Many here already think you stretch it a bit on the Remington.  You are about to remove all doubt.

[wareagleguy]

My question what are you trying to do by not Buying Cooper rifles?  Who wins if Cooper goes under because "WE" stop buying?  Ok, you tell Mr. Cooper he was a bad boy but we lost another manufacturer of firearms in this country.  Maybe I am wrong but if that happened the gun grabbers would be the winner of that fight.

[deltecs]

My question what are you trying to do by not Buying Cooper rifles?  Who wins if Cooper goes under because "WE" stop buying?  Ok, you tell Mr. Cooper he was a bad boy but we lost another manufacturer of firearms in this country.  Maybe I am wrong but if that happened the gun grabbers would be the winner of that fight.

Rather than the Cooper Board request the CEO to resign, I think Cooper Corp should donate to pro firearms candiates to show a good faith effort that the actions of its former CEO and founder are not those of the company.  Like at least a 10;1 ratio in favor of pro firearms candidates.  Then maybe I could persuade myself to buy a Cooper, instead of my initial reaction to never buy one.

[Cement Man]

First, who are you asking the question of?

If it's me, I never said I wasn't going to buy a Cooper rifle.  I have no particular interest in them, never did.  Maybe I will someday, who knows.  I just acquired an AR that has shot .25" groups, and I have several other rifles I expect the same of, so my accuracy needs are satisfied for now.

Now the facts are that Dan Cooper has been backing Obama financially, for more than four years.  He liked OBama well enough in 2004 to send $1K to his campaign in the Illinois senatorial election.  Good for him.  That's his politics and his right.  Now that the facts have become known that Cooper made several donations to the most anti-gun ticket to ever run for the presidency, many gun-owners have understandably felt betrayed.  So, after a weak attempt at lying about Cooper's multiple donations, the BOard of Directors and employees asked Dan Cooper to resign.  Sounds like a very justifiable request to me.  Dan Cooper resigned.  Cooper arms remains in business.  If you want one, buy one.  If I want one I'll buy one - now that Dan is gone.

The gun grabbers will be the winner of that fight?  I don't know about that.  I don't think the demand for rifles will be reduced, so presumably SOMEBODY will make and sell rifles to Cooper's former customers if Cooper were to fold.  Maybe the market will open up and Cooper will be replaced by one, maybe two new manufacturers who don't betray their clientele and promote the shooting sports.  Supporting Obama (despite some dreamers opinions) does not support the shooting sports or the gun owner.  Period

The opposite of condemning Copper's decision (capitulation) is certainly a victory for the gun-grabbers.  If you want me to explain that I will, but it shouldn't be necessary.

So buy a Cooper if you like.  

[wareagleguy]

Maybe Mr. Cooper knows Obama better than we do.  I would like to ask him why a man that makes his living making guns support Obama.

I guess we will know what Obama is going to do over the nex few years.  Hold on!

[Mike Britton]

You know Obama is going to win. We are all going to find out if he is as dangerous as feared.  My guess is he isn't.  Let's check back in about a year.

UPDATE:  I did what none of you did. I went to Cooper Firearms Website. http://www.cooperfirearms.com/   

If you don't want to spend the time finding out the facts,  here is what I found.

Regarding the USA Today Article. Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc. did not contribute and does not support in any fashion the campaign of Senator Obama.

Nine months ago Dan Cooper (personally) made an online donation to the campaign in an effort to help defeat Hillary Clinton and in protest of American plant closures and the shipping of jobs overseas.  Three months ago he made yet another donation to the McCain campaign and the RNC totaling over twice that given to Obama campaign.

There is no doubt that the article in USA Today has caused a considerable response.  To this end we are encouraged and stand with our fellow NRA members and supporters of the Second Amendment and against those who oppose it.

 

 



 

     

"My guess he isn't" !!!???!!! You can't be serious!!??!!

[Bart Solo]

Mike

I am serious, and we will find out in about a year. 

Obama has bigger fish to fry than take away your guns.  He needs your help.  He needs everybody's help if we are going to clean up the mess Bush has made of our economy. 

[Graybeard]

Don't sweat it guys. The American public spoke loud and clear today. Soon you won't be able to buy ANY rifles at all so whether to buy a Cooper or not will be the least of your concerns. You might wanna start thinking about how your wife and daughters are gonna look in berkas.

Obama has bigger fish to fry than take away your guns.  He needs your help.  He needs everybody's help if we are going to clean up the mess Bush has made of our economy.

Ron are you REALLY that blind as to what this decision tonight is going to do to this nation? The economy is the least of his concerns. He is only going to be concerned with how he can quickly turn the US into a muzlim nation.

[Cement Man]

Mike

I am serious, and we will find out in about a year. 

Obama has bigger fish to fry than take away your guns.  He needs your help.  He needs everybody's help if we are going to clean up the mess Bush has made of our economy. 

Yeah, that damned Bush strong-arming those mortgage companies to make loans to people who couldn't afford them against Barney Frank's objections, and cajoling them into giving preferential rates to Chris Dodd.  And all the while, Barack, ACORN and company working so hard to make sure that lending institutions made mortgages to qualified people on sound lending practices.

Ron, if you think that Barack doesn't "owe" anything to the organizations and the machine that put him where he is, you are sadly mistaken.  

[deltecs]

And the fact is always, always the case.  It is the American people who pay the bill for economic hardships and debt.  You don't honestly believe that 95% of the American people will end up paying less taxes do you?  Did you consider the additional expense of higher cost of goods and services that the American people will pay when those 5% pay all the taxes?  When these people go overseas, how are you going to tax them then?  Maybe that is the grand plan.  Ensure all manufacturing, goods and products are made overseas, all the people out of work, enact laws that assist them by the government and take away all their rights in exchange?  Makes sense to me.  Who then will pay for the taxes?  Yep, you got it, the American socialistic muzlim people.

[blacknwhite]

Who cares. All of you claim to be patriots. Well then if the US is a free country this guy can and should do whatever he believes. I would buy one of his guns tomorrow if I needed one.

[nomosendero]

Who cares. All of you claim to be patriots. Well then if the US is a free country this guy can and should do whatever he believes. I would buy one of his guns tomorrow if I needed one.

Yes, he has that freedom to choose, even though he lied about his choice which proves he wasn't very proud of it. And WE have the freedom to choose never to do business with this loser & traiter. Cuts both ways, doesn't it?So, speaking as a Patriot, he has that freedom & we have the freedom to reject him, thanks for pointing that out.

[SHOOTALL]

he sure can !
SO CAN WE !
If his decisions cause us to not buy his product its called freedom of choice on both sides !
 I LOVE THE FREE MARKET , WLII MISS IT WHEN ITS GONE !

[Swampman]

Obama has bigger fish to fry than take away your guns.  He needs your help.  He needs everybody's help if we are going to clean up the mess Bush has made of our economy.

He will never have my help or even the acknowledgement that he exist.

[Cement Man]

 
Obama has bigger fish to fry than take away your guns.  He needs your help.  He needs everybody's help if we are going to clean up the mess Bush has made of our economy. 

So - everbody: don't talk about BO's anti-gun stance or criticize Cooper's anti-gun support and dishonest coverup here on a rifle forum!  Get busy and help BO solve the financial crisis that he helped to create!  Lets go!  Get to work!

Who cares. All of you claim to be patriots. Well then if the US is a free country this guy can and should do whatever he believes. I would buy one of his guns tomorrow if I needed one.

Well, if we are to believe that he was asked to resign by the directors and the employees, and he complied, then he doesn't sell Cooper rifles any more.  There is a lot of good expertise here.  If you need an alternative source for a rifle, I am sure you'll get some excellent advice.  And thanks for reaffirming freedom in the U.S.

[SHOOTALL]

what mess did BUSH make ?
He was President when we were attacked with out warning , do ya think the spy network that Clintion helped shrink aided the attackers ?
Faced a finical crisis that was caused by the DEM. and Clintion .
Attacked a country with support from both parties , based on information from the less than adequate spy network that Clintion hamstrung .
pleae , what mess did HE create ?

[Bart Solo]

He will never have my help or even the acknowledgement that he exist.

We have a lot of work to do.  We have to rebuild an economy destroyed by years of neglect.  We have to rebuild our infrastructure that has been neglected as well. We have to change the way we generate our energy.  We have to clean up our environment.  We have to bring jobs back to America and stop pretending we can live off our credit cards.  In short, we have a lot to do.

Last night the American people spoke loud and clear. Obama is our President-Elect. He deserves our open hand and a chance.  We deserve the same. 

Of course, it is a free country. If  you want to turn your back on the rest of us, that is up to you.   

[Swampman]

I already have!

[Bart Solo]

I already have!

Too bad.