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buck shot
« on: October 30, 2008, 05:12:31 PM »
About what is the limit of a 16 ga. on whitetail? Is 50 yards pushing it with #1 Buck Shot?

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2008, 06:12:29 PM »
the range depends on the barrel length and choke. i have dropped whitetails at 80 yards w/ my over/under 16ga. full choke with 00's.   

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2008, 10:39:36 PM »
How does one get 00 buck into a 16 gauge? For #1 buck I'd say yes, 50 yards is pushing it pretty hard, 30-35 would be more reasonable. Every gun is a rule unto itself so you will need to shoot some paterns to know what your gun will do and try out as many different brands of ammo as you can find. Offhand I suspect it will be tough to find any 16 gauge buck other than the Federal #1.
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2008, 03:45:05 AM »
i reload my own shells, it took me a while to come up with a load that packed 5 00's along with some filler material for hunting. i am still tyring to tweak it to make my velocity and patterns more consistent. But it has already proven to be deadly on whitetails, squirrels and opossums 

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2008, 05:00:24 AM »
That is the problem, you can't load just any buckshot size that strikes your fancy, the individual pellets must fit side by side in the bore. If the individual pellets are more than half the bore diameter they will not stack in layers but only a random jumble which will not permit a full load and will badly deform the pellets when fired. That is why nothing larger than #1 is normally loaded in the 16, larger buck just will not layer at all. The exception is the .410 in which pellets just stack up in a single column. For my Super Comanche .410 pistol I am very impressed with the Winchester 3" shell with five pellets of 000 buck, they hold a tight cluster and five .36 caliber balls is like the whole cylinder of a Navy Colt revolver delivered all in one blast! So you see I'm getting a heavier load from my .410 than your 16 ga load, the same five pellets but triple ought versus double ought. But getting back to the 16 gauge, the only buck loads I've found are the Federal number ones.
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 07:56:35 PM »
gunsablazin, you shoot squirrels with those loads too. Interesting, Byron
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 08:00:16 PM »
Argocat, 50 yrds is pushing it with almost all buckshot loads. It takes a specialized gun to shoot buckshot at 50 yds.

Jeff Coopers rule at Gunsite was buckshot out to 25yds then go to slugs if you need to shoot further.

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 05:03:00 AM »
I'd make sure any shots with buckshot are under 30yds.  I reload buckshot for my .410 and with three "000" buck in a 2 1/2" shell, all three pellets stay on a 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper at 25yds out of my Saiga .410 with no choke attached.

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 10:00:46 AM »
30 to 35 yards with buck shot.
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2008, 02:38:51 AM »
I took my wife's grandfather's Crescent 16 guage double out one day, deer hunting.  I had found some #1 buck, and told my wife I would use the gun at least once just to say that I deer hunted with it.  I shot a young doe at 25 yards.  She sagged at the first shot, but did not run, so I shot her again.  She ran onto my neighbor's property and died in front of his hunting cabin.  He had about ten hunters in there, playing cards, drinking coffee, and waiting for lunch.  The rack on the porch was lined with wonderguns.  I went in to tell him I had a deer and they all piled out to have a look at the deer and then at the old Crescent.  It tickled me to think that one old shotgun in the field outperformed ten wonderguns in a rack. 

The doe was hit by two pellets, the first I suspect was in the liver, because of the sagging.  The second was in the lungs.  The doe still ran nearly 150 yards across open ground.  Being mainly a rifleman, I was not too impressed by the results.  If I use buckshot, it is in situations where 25 yards would be a long shot.

Some years ago, I ran a series of tests using a selection of 12 guage buckshot, and my collection of 12 guage shotguns. ranging from a single barrel H&R to an Antonio Zoli o/u.  I was not able to find any load and choke combination that would place more than three pellets in the vital zone at 25 yards.  I cannot imagine trying to take a shot with buck at over 25 yards.

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2008, 04:01:43 AM »
Oldtimer, Your right on with your experience. Thats the difference in opinion and experience, actually shooting game or patterening a load. The problem with buckshot is it takes a special gun,load,shell to get more than a couple of pellets on target.

It s possible to get a shotgun to pattern a buckshot load in a 12" circle at 50yds but requires special chokes and shells. When we say any buckshot will kill out to a certain range we set ourselves up for failure. Go ahead and shoot at that deer at 50 yds. Maybe the one pellet that conects will land behind the ear, but you can't count on it. Buckshot wastes game because people usually don't know what their gun and load is capable of. So they come on here and ask. How do we know what your gun will do.
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2008, 07:58:52 AM »
Oldtimer, I am not a fan of buck shot at all, and for the reason you have posted. Very few pellets actually hit the target, and with little to no real accuracy.

Myself, I like to know where my bullets go, and I pride myself on making good ethical shot's. My buddy is a Taxidermist, and I see a lot of deer that come in with old buck shot in them. The deer suffers when shot with back shot and it does not kill them. I have seen buck shot in the neck, head and eyes, and even it the hind quarter.

The only way I would use buck shot is, if it was all I was allowed to use, and then I would have a shotgun with the right choke and the best pattern I could get and keep the shots under 35 yards.

I don't know why some don't have confidence in there shootinging ability to use a single projectile, and rely on a spray and pray meathod which should be outlawed in my opinion.
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2008, 08:03:33 AM »
Patterning is the only way to know how buckshot will work.  Heck, I pattern "bird shot" to make sure I'm getting the right pellet density at the range I expect to use it at and taking into consideration what game I intend to use it on.  Squirrels need a tighter pattern with larger pellets than a rabbit does. And squirrels tend to be shot at father distances than rabbits so I take that into account as well.

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 08:21:03 AM »
Yes patterning is what one needs to do, but even with patterning, you do not get consistency with buck shot.

What gets me is the guys that say they use buck shot out to 60 and 80 yards. It was pure luck if they kill a deer at that range, just like the magic shot, the one piece of shot that kills a duck at 50 yards.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2008, 08:25:41 AM »
Yes patterning is what one needs to do, but even with patterning, you do not get consistency with buck shot.

What gets me is the guys that say they use buck shot out to 60 and 80 yards. It was pure luck if they kill a deer at that range, just like the magic shot, the one piece of shot that kills a duck at 50 yards.
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Re: buck shot
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2009, 03:17:01 PM »
i found some 3inch mag 2bb in 20 gauge, by fed...it really surprised me with 16 thru holes at 15 yrds on a 2by 8...all 18 pellets hit but ,probably for reason stated in this thread 2 bb just kinda stuck in the surface of the wood...the rest [16] made clean holes front to back...i figure 30 yrds max on something big as a deer...
with knock down power enuff to really stun something...
 at the stand i switch to buckhammer 1 oz. right now as ,,thats all im familar with enough for accuracy out to 75 yrds...  my gun is old western auto 28 inch barrel
pump...you need a limb saver with this mag buckshot stuff.its my walking gun now..slim

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Spray and Pray with any firearm is not ethical hunting!
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2009, 04:57:15 PM »
The proper use of buckshot is not spray and pray!

The last deer I killed with small buckshot, in this case 00B, was with a running shot at 40 yards. My shotgun consistently placed 12 pellets into an 18 inch pattern at that distance. I intentionally swung the bead just ahead and below the head of the running deer. The 6 pellet strike in the head, neck and front edge of the body sent the deer head over heels - dead right there.

A deliberate shot, with a well tested firearm and load, is not spray and pray.

Today, with 3 pellet/.60 caliber Tri-Ball buckshot, I deliberately target the shoulder. Again with a well tested firearm and load, I would not hesitate to take 50 yard shots with Tri-Ball Buckshot and would expect a DRT or at worst a very strong blood trail leading directly to my kill.

Taking shots beyond the tested sure range of buckshot, slug, handgun, rifle or shooter ability is completely unethical.

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Re: buck shot
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2009, 05:09:14 AM »
had a Ithaca 12 gauage back in the late seventies that would consistently place 8 of a 9 shot  "double ought" load in an eight inch circle at 35+yards, I would have felt comfortable taking a 40yd. lung shot with it. ;)
Was working on a new home the contractor was building for himself, and i had the Ithaca in the seat of my old ford pickup. he was passing by my pickup and noticed it. asking me if he could look at it I said "go ahead, and there is some shells in the glove box if you want to try it out".
  He coon fingers it a little , then gits a large scrap of 3/4" plywood and leans it against a nice oak tree inna yard and steps off 40 long paces....and lets fly..hewalks over to the plywood and looks a second ...after a few seconds he leans the plywood asway from the tree and goes into a cussfit...i ask 'im "whatsumattuh..." .."tore the  Blankedy-blank 'ell outa my shade tree"...seems as how he had grabbed one of them 00buck outa the duke's mixture i had in the glovebox... :D
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