Author Topic: Argentine Mauser question  (Read 6688 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mkee

  • Trade Count: (25)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 301
  • Gender: Male
Argentine Mauser question
« on: October 31, 2008, 05:05:16 PM »
My uncle has a 7.65x53 Argentine Mauser he's looking to sell me for $300.  Seems the price is good, but was wondering about the possibility of having it rebarreled.  Anybody have thought on a different cartridge?

Offline trotterlg

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (36)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3978
  • Gender: Male
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2008, 05:50:18 PM »
7X57 Mauser or 8X57.  Larry
A gun is just like a parachute, if you ever really need one, nothing else will do.

Offline Swampman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16518
  • Gender: Male
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2008, 06:11:55 PM »
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Offline R.W.Dale

  • Trade Count: (22)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2170
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2008, 07:27:02 PM »
depending on condition you could quite literally go from very valuable collectors item to $175 junk that no one will buy simply by spending $500 to have it rebarreled.


Seriously the days of saving money by rebarreling old mausers into more common chamberings is LONG LONG LONG LONG GONE. Let me break it down into todays $$$

Mauser from uncle $300

budget replacment barrel $200

fit, thread and chamber barrel $250

total before stock and scope mounts $750

value of finished rifle  that may or may not shoot and function great $200  :o

Shooting satisfaction derived from a $300 Stevens 200 in 7mm-08 with a good scope that you should have bought to begin with PRICLESS

Offline Brithunter

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2538
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2008, 12:38:19 AM »
My uncle has a 7.65x53 Argentine Mauser he's looking to sell me for $300.  Seems the price is good, but was wondering about the possibility of having it rebarreled.  Anybody have thought on a different cartridge?


Hmm seeing as how the  7.65mm Argentine is easy to laod for and easily as effective as the 308 or 30-06 why re-barrel. Does not compute  ::)

  And as stated it's more than likely worth more as it is that butchered however the quality of the Argentines Mauser is way higher than any Stevens and assuming it's in good condition, well it's you money and your choice  ;)

Offline Skunk

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3520
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2008, 05:21:11 AM »
the quality of the Argentines Mauser is way higher than any Stevens...

Look out Brit, you're going to pay for that comment...  ;D ;D
Mike

"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" - Frank Loesser

Offline Brithunter

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2538
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2008, 08:16:41 AM »
I doubt it  ;) the old world craftsmanship is not likely to be seen outside full custom rifles. It's this old world skill why I prefer the older rifles and especially in Enfields. The Lee Mk1 and No1 Mk111's and just so much better fitted than the No4's.

I am afraid that modern mass produced rifles will never again meet the fine finishing and fitting of those like that Argentine Mauser even the militay contracts were finely finished unlike modern military rifles.

Offline IOWA DON

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 514
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2008, 09:23:44 AM »
You never stated if the Argentine Mauser is the Model 1909 or the older Model (1991?). The older model is not as strong and I don't know if anyone considers them worth rebarreling. I had a German made 1909 rebarreled to 7X57 (26-inch medium weight stainless steel barrel by Shilen). I also had the trigger replaced with a Canjar, the firing pin replaced with a titanium one, and the military safety replaced with a Model 70 type safety. The bolt handle was removed and re-welded into a position to accommodate a low mounted scope. The scope is a Leupold 1.75-6X short tube with Leupold bases and low rings. The barreled action was coated with black teflon. I had a real ugly fiberglass stock put on it, but it fits and balances well for me and I can shoot better offhand with it than with any of my other centerfire rifles. I would like to get a nice walnut stock for when it's setting on the rack and may eventually shoot a deer with it. It is not my most accurate rifle but will shoot slightly better than 1.0 MOA. It cost a whole lot more than a factory Reminton Model 700, but I also like it a whole lot more.

Offline NFG

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 522
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2008, 09:35:01 AM »
I go along with Krochus somewhat, except for the barrel prices and if it is home grown rather than custom done.  I just did a SMLE...90 bucks Midway barrel, and a VZ24 Lothar Walther barrel, 219 bucks, threaded, chambered and crowned, ready to screw on and shoot, but what he said about Mauser conversions is totally true...and totally oldhat. Time consuming, lots of mucking about, special tools and jig to make or buy and not for the faint of heart or the beginner unless you have lots of patience...fun tho'.  ;D

I just bought a beautiful Mauser Modelo Argentino 1891 manufactura Loewe, Berlin...86 bucks including background check cost...yesterday (Fri). Bore is perfect, 95% on the rest, crest groundoff on the receiver but that is almost always true, all pieces same number, stock was sporterized and bolt bent, but excellent job...a very nice shooter...old world craftsmanship to the max...a few "character marks" on the stock and one burrheaded screw and a bit of cosmoline still in the bolt recess.

This caliber is as close to a 308 as you can get without being one...of course it has a 0.311" bore, same as the 303 Brit.  Midway has PRVI ammo available, 180 gr bullet 2542 fs/2588 ft lbs, but otherwise you have to make cases out of '06 or x57 brass or pay Norma prices.  Easy enough for those that have the tools and desire, dies are also available around 30 dollars at Midway...my Lee set is on it's way along with 2 boxes of PRVI ammo and I have plenty of 8mm brass if I need to make more cases.

I WOUDN'T re-barrel mine...this action is rated in the 52 KPSI range (Norma Ammo), only two bolt lugs and no third safety lug...it has been pushed to higher pressures tho', lots of re-barrels done in the past, but the rifle as is, drilled and tapped for scope mounts will kill any NA game including bears although I want something much bigger for the mean and nasty's.  AND the magazine is a strange contraption, it will function with the ammo it was designed for absolutely and perfectly and those similarly shaped, but otherwise there is another costly expense to modify it for something else that won't work as good.  I could see re-barreling to something built on the 308 or shortened x57 cases like a 6mm, 6,5mm, 7mm, 338 Fed, or a 358 Win, maybe a 9.3(I would stop there as the muzzle is 0.600" O.D.), or you could have one of the re-borers do it, although I can't see any reason to mess with a perfectly good cartridge.

This rifle is one of those silk purse/sow's ear things.  My rifle is a silk purse and doing ANYTHING to it would turn it into a sows ear quick time.  ??? ::)  :o  ;D

Considering the prices of these rifles, I'm not sure I would be very fond of a uncle trying to work me unless this rifle happens to be perfect in all respects AND in the collectors realm.  :-\

The 1891 Argentine, sometimes called the Belgiun or Spanish mauser, has always been a 7.65x 53mm caliber.  The 1909 Argentine came out much later and is a M98 action and came in several different calibers over many years, makers, countries and wars.  Lots of confusion in the nomenclature of the Mausers...I'm still wading throught the "stuff" trying to get some kind of handle on the different models, sizes and interchangeability of the parts.

Good luck.

Offline Cement Man

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1265
  • Gender: Male
Re: Argentine Mauser question
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2008, 02:10:56 PM »
I have two 1909 Argentines, purchased about 20 years ago.  Arguably, the 1909 Argentine Mauser was the highest quality military bolt action rifle ever produced, and being an M98 is strong and versatile.   I still don't see in the posts whether you are referring to a 1909 or 1891.  If you are talking about a pristine 1909, $300 is not a bad price.  The 1909 also has a hinged floorplate which makes it nice for hunting use.

Nice as a 1909 is, I wouldn't see the value in chopping one up or rebarreling one anymore.  I think the other posters' advice is right on.

I did have my less desirable (condition) 1909 made into a custom sporter in 1993.  The work was done by Walt Sherman of Tallahassee, FL.  He rebarreled it to 30.06, blueprinted the action, installed sights, shortened and modified the stock to a Mannlicher style, installed a Timney trigger and Model 70 safety.  This conversion was featured in GUNS magazine in the fall of '93.  Walt guaranteed sub MOA and it will shoot that with factory ammo.  This about the last rifle I will ever part with.  It looks as good as it shoots.  Walt did this work in 1993 at an incredibly reasonable price.  He was retired FLA Highway Patrol armorer and built their sniper rifles as well as being famous for his roller conversion on Colt Pythons.

My other 1909 is a pristine example in original condition.  The finish and bluing are incredible, especially for a mil-surp.  I'll shoot it, but I would never change it.

Grafs has the 7.65X53 ammo in Hornady, Norma, and Privi.  There are a variety of no-drill mounts available for mil-surps (although I haven't checked on the Argentines), so you may be able to mount a scope on one and return it to original if so desired.
CIVES ARMA FERANT - Let the citizens bear arms.
POLITICIANS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO TERMS - ONE IN OFFICE AND ONE IN PRISON.... Illinois already does this.