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watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« on: November 03, 2008, 01:32:26 AM »
   Surprising to find that so many are voting for Obama or a spoiler..cancelling chances for any "clean coal" industry. The same goes with oil producing, refining states..curtailing offshore production.
     Just yesterday he promised to bankrupt coal producers with heavy taxes, fees, licenses etc..and most other small businesses everywhere will feel the pinch from enforced unionization. Must be a painful paradox for some ..if they are thinking.
     Sure looks like the "undecided" will decide who will take the oval office...let's hope the undecided have enough awareness to prevent our nation and freedoms from plunging to destruction. I am still hoping that others, after closing th curtain behind them, realize in their heart that we don't need a Rev Jeremiah Wright clone in the White House.

       

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/02/audio-obama-will-bankrupt-the-coal-industry/
     
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 01:53:30 AM »
I can't believe people are voting Dem or rep .  :-  :-[

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Re: watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 02:26:58 AM »
I can't believe people are voting Dem or rep .  :-  :-[

So how many times are you going to post that???
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 02:34:58 AM »
I can't believe people are voting Dem or rep .  :-  :-[

So how many times are you going to post that???
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Re: watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 02:43:45 AM »
I can't believe people are voting Dem or rep .  :-  :-[

So how many times are you going to post that???
when you stop hunting .  ;D  ;D

I don't see that happening any time soon.  ;)
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Re: watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 04:29:48 AM »
  The simple fact is that if McCain loses big..we can give credit to the blind liberals (any other kind?)..but if he loses by a "razors edge" we have the Paulistas and other vote-for-can't-wins to thank for electing Osam-bama,and bringing on extreme socialism, if not Marxism.
   Instead; let's all vote Mccain/Palin into office..even if only as a defensive measure to prevent the Dems from having a monopoly on all news rules and regulations, prohibitions and taxations.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 04:44:25 AM »
  The simple fact is that if McCain loses big..we can give credit to the blind liberals (any other kind?)..but if he loses by a "razors edge" we have the Paulistas and other vote-for-can't-wins to thank for electing Osam-bama,and bringing on extreme socialism, if not Marxism.

YEP. And the barristas, 3rd4thor5thanybodyistas, etc. I believe the 3rd party will give the election to osama, which is their plan. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008, 01:09:02 PM »
  The simple fact is that if McCain loses big..we can give credit to the blind liberals (any other kind?)..but if he loses by a "razors edge" we have the Paulistas and other vote-for-can't-wins to thank for electing Osam-bama,and bringing on extreme socialism, if not Marxism.

YEP. And the barristas, 3rd4thor5thanybodyistas, etc. I believe the 3rd party will give the election to osama, which is their plan. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Here in michigan my state goes for dem. So my third party vote won't matter.  ;D

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Re: watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 01:23:17 PM »
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Here in michigan my state goes for dem. So my third party vote won't matter.  ;D

I would have thought there were a few hunters, Christians, and gun owners in Michigan?
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008, 01:27:18 PM »
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Here in michigan my state goes for dem. So my third party vote won't matter.  ;D

I would have thought there were a few hunters, Christians, and gun owners in Michigan?
  still won't matter Michigan is a big union town.

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Re: watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2008, 02:09:48 PM »
ms   you a bad influence on  the ones in swing states


this  years  election has caused me to despise spoilers

i quit  the carpenters union  over them suporting democrats


and  BOB BARR KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING

i  hope he never holds office any where ever again
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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Re: watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2008, 11:19:05 PM »
ms   you a bad influence on  the ones in swing states


this  years  election has caused me to despise spoilers

i quit  the carpenters union  over them suporting democrats


and  BOB BARR KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING

i  hope he never holds office any where ever again
Bob barr was told to run . You need to join back up in the union for your family.

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2008, 11:42:41 PM »
The unions have done more to force jobs overseas than any other single group.
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2008, 02:56:50 AM »
why  would  i join  a union for  my  family??

i  used  to think  you were  intelligent  and  just  misguided

my  family  and  the country they live  in  is  why  i  boycott democrats

most  of  the union members  had a strong entitlement  mentallity  and  class  envy

so answer  me  WHAT  a union has  to offer me  that  is worth  helping democrats??

when  i quit the union  i  pulled  out  my retirement  money  and   did  better reinvesting   it myself

never let a democrat handle your money!!

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DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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Re: watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2008, 03:16:19 AM »
YEP. And the barristas, 3rd4thor5thanybodyistas, etc. I believe the 3rd party will give the election to osama, which is their plan. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

Wouldn't "their plan" work a lot better by actually voting for Obama if that's who they wanted to win?

It's almost amusing.  When I post pro-3rd party on a heavily Republican leaning board they hurl accusations of secretly wanting Obama to win.

On the flip side if I post in favor of a 3rd party to a heavily Democrat leaning board the same accusations are leveled but reversed: they think you secretly have an agenda and want McCain to really win.

Is it so hard to understand that some people would rather neither of them win?  Doesn't matter whether the party you vote for can win or not.  It's a matter of principle.  A vote for a 3rd party isn't secrety a vote for Obama.  It's not a vote secretly for McCain either.  It's a vote AGAINST both of them.

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2008, 03:18:56 AM »
If McCain doesn't win, we all lose.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2008, 03:19:50 AM »
MAY BE  THAT  THEY  ARE VOTING OBAMA

and  trying to get   others to WASTE  their vote
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2008, 03:24:33 AM »
and  trying to get   others to WASTE  their vote

A vote made for what one believes in isn't a wasted vote.  Just as a simple question: suppose you were taken back in time to the point where Pontus Pilot asked the people whether they wanted Barabas or Jesus returned to them.  You too much choose.  Would you yell for Barabas, knowing already that he is going to win anyways, or, regardless of what you know would be the outcome, would you vote with your conscious for the one you know will lose regardless?

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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2008, 03:32:30 AM »
3rd  party people  always  argue  with

the  what  ifs
instead  of arguing with what  is

don't put yourself down  i was  once  young  and dumb too

with  all  you logic  you can not compete  with  the  television
and  the democratically controlled school system
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2008, 03:38:49 AM »
3rd  party people  always  argue  with

the  what  ifs
instead  of arguing with what  is

don't put yourself down  i was  once  young  and dumb too

with  all  you logic  you can not compete  with  the  television
and  the democratically controlled school system

"What ifs" (aka metaphors) help to simplify the "what is" into concepts that some people otherwise couldn't understand.  The bottom line is that in my mind the Republicans AND the Democrats are two brands of crazy on opposite ends of the pool.  That's what IS.  As such, when I have to answer for my vote, I'll not say that I got scared and went with the flow.  I voted for who I thought SHOULD win.  And the only reason they can't win is because of people too afraid to do the right thing.

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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2008, 03:45:06 AM »
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The unions have done more to force jobs overseas than any other single group.

+1 to Swampman.

+1 to MG for his statements as well...
I'm voting 3rd party in this election by writing in Jesus Christ for president.  Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system."

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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2008, 04:09:42 AM »
did  you see  sat night  live

MCCAIN   was  encouraging  Hillery  supporters  to  write  her  name  in  its   not  to  late

it was  a joke......and  so are  the ones  that  vote  their conscience

math  beats  conscience  EVERY  time

if  OBAMA gets  the most  votes  because  his  opposition have  5  different  consciences

he  wins  just  that  simple

they say OBAMA is  getting  95% of  the black  vote
yet  his  opposition can  only get  80% of the  vote  here  on  GBO
we  need solidarity  and  you  undermine  that
your  feel good  vote  is  above  the rest  of  our gun rights
when  they  say  precedent  OBAMA   we  will  know  you did  your  part  [not]
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2008, 04:21:36 AM »
The unions have done more to force jobs overseas than any other single group.
No it's greed unions made the middle class.

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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2008, 04:22:29 AM »
did  you see  sat night  live

MCCAIN   was  encouraging  Hillery  supporters  to  write  her  name  in  its   not  to  late

it was  a joke......and  so are  the ones  that  vote  their conscience

math  beats  conscience  EVERY  time

if  OBAMA gets  the most  votes  because  his  opposition have  5  different  consciences

he  wins  just  that  simple

they say OBAMA is  getting  95% of  the black  vote
yet  his  opposition can  only get  80% of the  vote  here  on  GBO
we  need solidarity  and  you  undermine  that
your  feel good  vote  is  above  the rest  of  our gun rights
when  they  say  precedent  OBAMA   we  will  know  you did  your  part  [not]

Are you not getting the point that I'd be equally disappointed when they say "President McCain"?  You seem to think I'm missing something when I'm not.  As if I'm going to wake up one day and say "OH CRAP I DIDN'T REALIZE MCCAIN MIGHT LOSE IF I VOTE 3RD PARTY!".  If one or the other of Obama or McCain wins I don't really care, because I want neither, and I think neither is a good choice or bet for our rights.  Voting for a 3rd party is not something you do for kicks and secretly wish that one of the main two candidates still wins.  If I desired EITHER of them more than the other I'd vote for them.  Instead I vote for who I think SHOULD win instead.  The sheep can keep following the shephard, but I'd rather think for myself.

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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2008, 04:25:29 AM »
they say OBAMA is  getting  95% of  the black  vote
yet  his  opposition can  only get  80% of the  vote  here  on  GBO
we  need solidarity  and  you  undermine  that
your  feel good  vote  is  above  the rest  of  our gun rights
when  they  say  precedent  OBAMA   we  will  know  you did  your  part  [not]

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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2008, 04:30:33 AM »
The unions have done more to force jobs overseas than any other single group.
No it's greed unions made the middle class.

Just stating an opinion here, since I have nothing against you and don't want to come off as attacking you.

That said, I agree with both points of your post, but with some caveats.

Unions DID create the middle class.  However, that was many, many years (centuries actually) ago.   Greed does indeed drive the jobs overseas, but in today's world a lot of that greed COMES from unions.

A unionized company will generally not allow a company to hire any employee that doesn't also join the union - an usually that require "dues" (aka privatized taxes).  They then often make it nearly impossible to fire an employee for almost any reason.  A company often can't get rid of an unproductive worker that's costing them money because of union hurdles.  Also, in line with the greed issue, is the fact that unions often demand insane wages for menial tasks.  A middle class is great, but if you're digging ditches you don't deserve to be middle class, or paid some insanely inflated wage when there is little to no skill involved in your actions.

Of course, a lot of it goes back to corporate executives too.  All too often they're getting huge bonuses even when the company is operating at a loss.  

The real kicker though, is how do you solve these issues without further government regulation or interference?  At our basic level, humans have always proven themselves to be selfish, greedy, and INCREDIBLY short sighted.  There's some level of danged if you do and danged if you don't at play there.

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2008, 04:37:12 AM »
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Voting for a 3rd party is not something you do for kicks

No, it's something you do because you're selfish and too stubborn to do what's right.

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but I'd rather think for myself.

I'd be happy if you'd just think.
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2008, 04:44:14 AM »
The unions have done more to force jobs overseas than any other single group.
No it's greed unions made the middle class.

Just stating an opinion here, since I have nothing against you and don't want to come off as attacking you.

That said, I agree with both points of your post, but with some caveats.

Unions DID create the middle class.  However, that was many, many years (centuries actually) ago.   Greed does indeed drive the jobs overseas, but in today's world a lot of that greed COMES from unions.

A unionized company will generally not allow a company to hire any employee that doesn't also join the union - an usually that require "dues" (aka privatized taxes).  They then often make it nearly impossible to fire an employee for almost any reason.  A company often can't get rid of an unproductive worker that's costing them money because of union hurdles.  Also, in line with the greed issue, is the fact that unions often demand insane wages for menial tasks.  A middle class is great, but if you're digging ditches you don't deserve to be middle class, or paid some insanely inflated wage when there is little to no skill involved in your actions.

Of course, a lot of it goes back to corporate executives too.  All too often they're getting huge bonuses even when the company is operating at a loss.  

The real kicker though, is how do you solve these issues without further government regulation or interference?  At our basic level, humans have always proven themselves to be selfish, greedy, and INCREDIBLY short sighted.  There's some level of danged if you do and danged if you don't at play there.
Every thing you stated is true but at the end of the day in America it's all about money.

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2008, 04:50:55 AM »
No, it's something you do because you're selfish and too stubborn to do what's right.

I'm SELFISH because I'm voting for a candidate that most closely matches my political viewpoints?

What IS an election other than that?  Are you selfish for not voting for Obama?  Of course not.  Because that man doesn't match your beliefs or your desires for what you want this country to become.  Not following the sheep because you think differently isn't selfish, it's the sign of a free man.

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2008, 05:14:52 AM »
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Not following the sheep because you think differently isn't selfish, it's the sign of a free man.

Not owning a gun (because you were too selfish to do what's best for the county) is the sign of a slave.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~