watching some chatter from PA, WV ..and other coal states

[FLNT4EVR]

 My niece in Buffalo NY has been busting on me for not voting for BO because he is supposedly a friend of the union man. Hmmmmmmmm  I wonder how the United Mineworkers feel about that today.

[Sourdough]

MS:  That is how Clinton became presedent, so many of us voted for the man we felt would do the best job.  He lost and so did the Republican, Bob Dole.  Then we were stuck with Wild Willy, for 8 years, and the assult weapons ban. 

[45-70.gov]

that  ban  was the work  of  JOE THE BIDEN  and  he  will be back with  more power  backed  by  obama  ,pelosi and reed

we  got clinton  and bidens gun ban  courtasy  of ross  perrot

your 3rd party at  work

[MGMorden]

your 3rd party at  work

Only if you assume that the whole of the voters for the 3rd candidate were disgruntled former Republicans.  There are at least as many disgruntled former Democrats voting for 3rd party as there are Republicans.  Take away Ross Perot's candidacy, and a large chunk of his voters would have voted Democrat instead.  The same is true for current 3rd party voters. The majority of Libertarian voters that I've spoken with personally would vote for Obama rather than McCain if the Libertarian option wasn't available.

As a funny twist of events, all the Democrats tend to blame Ralph Nader for Al Gore losing to Bush in 2000.  Both parties make that mistake of thinking every vote for the 3rd party candidate was a vote that they would have gotten instead.

[Swampman]

This is poop!

[Troyboy]

If a libratarian would vote obama he aint a libratarian. republicans are a whole lot closer than dems.



                                                      Troy

[45-70.gov]

MGMorden  how  old  are  you??

all  this  what   if  sinarios

the dems  and repubs  have been  entrenced for 200  years

if  a 3rd party ever  did get elected  he  would have
all  the  REPUBLICRATS  trying to run  him  out  of down

i  have  been a libertarian  for  20  years.....don't know any one there  that  would vote  OBAMA

[jimster]

One of my sons voted 3rd party today,  I commend him for that,  even though I voted against Obama and held my nose for McCain,  I am glad he has the integrity to do what he thinks is right.  He's very young, this was his first vote.   He knows how I feel too,  I think we need to keep Obama from messing it up the U.S.  bad, but he still did what he thought was right.  He's as free as free can be, God bless him.  As for me...If I'm playing poker and I know the other guy has me beat...I fold....so I'm not going to be hard on myself for voting against Obama...by voting for McCain.   We all do what we think is best I guess, I hold no grudge against anyone who votes third party,  but it does baffle my why anyone would vote for Obama.  Even if you were a die hard Democrat for life, that has got to be hard to swallow.

[MGMorden]

MGMorden  how  old  are  you??

all  this  what   if  sinarios

the dems  and repubs  have been  entrenced for 200  years

if  a 3rd party ever  did get elected  he  would have
all  the  REPUBLICRATS  trying to run  him  out  of down

i  have  been a libertarian  for  20  years.....don't know any one there  that  would vote  OBAMA

I'm 27, and know plenty Libertarians who would vote for Obama if they were forced into a two party mindset.  Republicans have a similar stance on guns and level of government compared to Libertarians.  Views on religion, involvement in foreign affairs, various other issues (drugs, prostitution, abortion, etc) tend to lean towards the Democratic position more. It all depends on what your key issues are.  Particularly, the Libertarians who AREN'T into guns (and not everyone is) tend to not make it a key issue for them.

I also already explained the use of "what if" scenarios.  As stated, it helps the weak minded understand complex topics to break them down into simpler issues that they can understand.

BTW, Democrats and Republicans have NOT been "entrenched for 200 years". Originally the two parties were the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists.  The Anti-Federalists later became the most popular of the two.  There was then a little competition towards the time of the Civil War where the Republicans and the Whigs were the two main parties.  It wasn't until after the Civil War that the Republican and Democratic parties emerged.  As well, the founding fathers were typically VERY resentful towards the entire develop of political "parties".  The thought voting along one line because of a group affiliation rather than an individual's merits was absurd to them.

I also doubt your claims as to being a Libertarian.  If you don't vote for them then you're not really showing any support.  You might as well call yourself a Democrat.  You're not voting for them either.

[MGMorden]

One of my sons voted 3rd party today,  I commend him for that,  even though I voted against Obama and held my nose for McCain,  I am glad he has the integrity to do what he thinks is right.  He's very young, this was his first vote.   He knows how I feel too,  I think we need to keep Obama from messing it up the U.S.  bad, but he still did what he thought was right.  He's as free as free can be, God bless him.  As for me...If I'm playing poker and I know the other guy has me beat...I fold....so I'm not going to be hard on myself for voting against Obama...by voting for McCain.   We all do what we think is best I guess, I hold no grudge against anyone who votes third party,  but it does baffle my why anyone would vote for Obama.  Even if you were a die hard Democrat for life, that has got to be hard to swallow.

A worthy post.  And you being in close relationship with your son puts you in a position to answer a very special question: do you believe he voted for what he thought was the right choice, or was it some secret plot to get Obama elected?

I'm pretty confident on what your answer is, and I doubt he was in on some secret plot.  To the other naysayers, the rest of us third party voters aren't either.  We're voting for what we think is RIGHT.  I know that Barr will not win this year.  But maybe, just maybe, he can pull better numbers than the Libertarian candidate last year.  2-3% of the vote would be a great accomplishment, because when people gain more confidence, maybe next time around 5% might be realistic.  Maybe then 7 or 8%.  If we can eventually convince enough people to do what's right, and pull more than 15%, then that's when the masses at large will TRULY start THINKING about who they're voting for, rather than automatically voting for Dumb or Dumber.  Not until then will things start to change.

[Graybeard]

your 3rd party at  work

Only if you assume that the whole of the voters for the 3rd candidate were disgruntled former Republicans.  There are at least as many disgruntled former Democrats voting for 3rd party as there are Republicans.  Take away Ross Perot's candidacy, and a large chunk of his voters would have voted Democrat instead.  The same is true for current 3rd party voters. The majority of Libertarian voters that I've spoken with personally would vote for Obama rather than McCain if the Libertarian option wasn't available.

As a funny twist of events, all the Democrats tend to blame Ralph Nader for Al Gore losing to Bush in 2000.  Both parties make that mistake of thinking every vote for the 3rd party candidate was a vote that they would have gotten instead.

Are you REALLY that stupid or are you just flat out lying thru your teeth? You can't really believe that statement. If you really are that uninformed you need to do something to educate yourself soon.

[MGMorden]

Are you REALLY that stupid or are you just flat out lying thru your teeth? You can't really believe that statement. If you really are that uninformed you need to do something to educate yourself soon.

Which specific statement are you referring to, though I can assure you that I believe everything I write.  And I'm quite well educated already. 

[45-70.gov]

5 registered  libertarians in  my house  hold

sorry    thought  i  was  after  the post  i  stretched it  Little
but  you know  what  i mean about  them  entrenched

i  used  to vote  libertarian  and  help on  the local level

but  if OBAMA  wins  i  will  be leaving  them

BTW  i  was  your  age  when  i joined  them

most  i  know are x- Republicans

i disagree about the war  other  than  that  i am  with the libertarians
except for  the  fact  they  are  spoilers  [my biggest complaint]

i  tried to get  the other  libertarians  to  cooperate  with  the republicans
an  alliance  so to speak [you don't run a race they wont  win/we  help  you in  a close race  you might win]
and  unite   to stop democrats
but  few  were  interested

[Graybeard]

Are you REALLY that stupid or are you just flat out lying thru your teeth? You can't really believe that statement. If you really are that uninformed you need to do something to educate yourself soon.

Which specific statement are you referring to, though I can assure you that I believe everything I write.  And I'm quite well educated already. 

There are at least as many disgruntled former Democrats voting for 3rd party as there are Republicans.  Take away Ross Perot's candidacy, and a large chunk of his voters would have voted Democrat instead.

 

If you believe that you maybe school educated but in sad need of real world common sense learning.

[powderman]

mcmorden. When the osamites come for your guns, hand em your principals too. Refusing to fight osama was very selfish. POWDERMAN. 

[MGMorden]

mcmorden. When the osamites come for your guns, hand em your principals too. Refusing to fight osama was very selfish. POWDERMAN. 

If they can take them by force, then I suppose they can have them.  Luckily I'll still have my principles to defend.

[MGMorden]

If you believe that you maybe school educated but in sad need of real world common sense learning.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

As to what you base you conclusion that Perot's support was solely stolen from the Republicans?  All reviews of that election period show him gaining pretty equal popularity from members of both parties.  He had people on his campaign that had worked on both.

[45-70.gov]

what  are  you going  to defend  your principles  with??

where  is  Ross  perrots  party  now?

they  had a governor  then  faded  into  history in  less  than one generation

your  youth  distorts  your  perception  of  time

[Graybeard]

If you believe that you maybe school educated but in sad need of real world common sense learning.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

As to what you base you conclusion that Perot's support was solely stolen from the Republicans?  All reviews of that election period show him gaining pretty equal popularity from members of both parties.  He had people on his campaign that had worked on both.

SHUT THE HELL UP! I'm in no mood right now knowing folks like you just elected a muzlim to be the next president of the US. Yes lower case from now on as it is a meaningless thing anymore. You DO NOT want to make another post in this matter and if you do you are forever banned from this site. That's a PROMISE. Not a threat.


I give Biden less than a year as VP. He will either die a rather untimely death or be asked to resign and will be replaced by another muzlim no doubt a black one at that so they can turn the US over to islam.

[nomosendero]

Some chatter, with the exception of WV. The other coal states are worthy of no respect, Obama bad talked them & they came crawling back for more, unbelieveable!!

[Graybeard]

Yes it truly is unbelieveable. He bad mouthed them then said he was gonna shut down their primary source of income and still they voted for him. We are a nation of fools and will reap the rewards of that. I guess now we'll how many of those who said only from the "cold dead fingers" really back it up won't we?

[deltecs]

My will is made out and I've been living with a terminal disease for much longer than anyone thought.  I've got nothing now to lose.  Certainly not my freedom, only my choice.

[Graybeard]

Amen to that. The time to make the choice is likely to be coming to a town near us all sooner rather than later.

[ms]

2012 is near it won't be long now.

[billy_56081]

[/quote]

I'm SELFISH because I'm voting for a candidate that most closely matches my political viewpoints?

What IS an election other than that?  Are you selfish for not voting for Obama?  Of course not.  Because that man doesn't match your beliefs or your desires for what you want this country to become.  Not following the sheep because you think differently isn't selfish, it's the sign of a free man.
[/quote]


So did we get the candidate that LEAST matches your politcal viewpoints?

[ms]

I'm SELFISH because I'm voting for a candidate that most closely matches my political viewpoints?

What IS an election other than that?  Are you selfish for not voting for Obama?  Of course not.  Because that man doesn't match your beliefs or your desires for what you want this country to become.  Not following the sheep because you think differently isn't selfish, it's the sign of a free man.
[/quote]


So did we get the candidate that LEAST matches your politcal viewpoints?
[/quote] Billy if all third party guys voted rep it won't matter. The dem had a blow out this country is gone to the bankers.

[billy_56081]

Yes it truly is unbelieveable. He bad mouthed them then said he was gonna shut down their primary source of income and still they voted for him. We are a nation of fools and will reap the rewards of that. I guess now we'll how many of those who said only from the "cold dead fingers" really back it up won't we?

We never need to wonder again why they put warnings on lawn mowers about sticking our hands in them while running. The Obama voters are the result of the stupid surviving and breeding. Nature aint being let take its course.

I'd laugh but there aint nothing funny about Barrak Hussien Obama.

[45-70.gov]

people  need  to  be  neutered

before  receiving  public  assistance   at  the  very  least

if  up  to  me  i  would  just  let  them  die

[deb]

It's been too long since I've posted, I do check in to see what you guys have been up to.

I have to defend my home state of PA. Looking at a map, breakdown county by county, only 18 of 67 counties are blue. The majority are in Eastern PA, Philadelphia area. Rendell, the a$$of a governor, smears in our faces that his home of Phila carries the state. Unfortunately it does. Allegheny county, Pittsburgh area, also. Rural people don't have a voice anymore.
Please don't blame all of us.
I just mentioned to my husband that we should move, he agreed. We both have lived our lives here, it's a beautiful area, we just can't handle the politics anymore.
Deb  

[45-70.gov]

COME  TO    FLOIDA  DEB

we  are  up  to  our  necks  in  liberal  Yankees

whats  a  few  more  Yankees  if  they   vote  right

our county  is  strong  but  the state  is  loosing  it


or  maybe  we  can  all  go to Alaska  and  succeed

appoint  Sarah  Palin  queen