Nathan Bedford Forrest

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Its a sad thing when people don't know their own history Black or White.

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First we have board members who don't know their own history, SAD.

After hearing about three hours of public comments, Duval County School Board members voted 5-2 to the retain the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest High School. The board's two black members cast the only votes to change the name.

"(Forrest) was a terrorist and a racist," argued board member Brenda Priestly Jackson, who is black.

Betty Burney, the board chairman and the board's other black member, also voted against retaining the name.

"Nathan Bedford Forrest was part of the Ku Klux Klan, no matter how you put it. Nathan Bedford Forrest needs to be changed," said Stanley Scott, who is black.

And then at the bottom of the article we are fed the truth. It seems the News business has gone to hell also.

Born poor in Chapel Hill, Tenn., in 1821, Forrest amassed a fortune as a plantation owner and slave trader, importing Africans long after the practice had been made illegal. At 40, he enlisted as a private in the Confederate army at the outset of the Civil War, rising to a cavalry general in a year.

Some accounts accused Forrest of ordering black prisoners to be massacred after a victory at Tennessee's Fort Pillow in 1864, though historians question the validity of the claims.

In 1867, the newly formed Klan elected Forrest its honorary Grand Wizard or national leader, but he publicly denied being involved. In 1869, he ordered the Klan to disband because of the members' increasing violence. Two years later, a congressional investigation concluded his involvement had been limited to his attempt to disband it.

Now can anyone here please tell me just how Forrest could do something that was illegal and get away with it. When everyone knows that the South had no ships with which to import slaves to be traded? What a web they weave to deceive.

[williamlayton]

Slave traders, with the ships they owned, brought slaves here for sale.
Read the history of the author of "Amazing grace."
Blessings

[Bugflipper]

I am a descendant of Forrest on my Father's side. The link below is an accurate depiction of his life. He was known as The Wizard of the Saddle, which spawned the title of the grand wizard. The Klan was formed to resist reconstruction by intimidating carpetbaggers, scalawags and freedmen. Forrest met with other veterans in 1865 in Pulaski, TN to form the Klan. The white robes were supposed to be ghosts of Confederate soldiers. They would raid in the dark by horseback, offering resistance to their Northern occupiers and intimidating opposition.
 As for the Klan in our country today it was formed in 1915 with different ideals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

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Slave traders, with the ships they owned, brought slaves here for sale.
Read the history of the author of "Amazing grace."
Blessings

Well of course they did WL and just who were these righteous, upstanding men who broke US law from 1808 thru 1863? Northern Ship owners, that's who, well bless my breeches. And just how did they get away with it? Well, of course the congress stepped up to the plate with a law that said no other country's ship could stop or board any US flagged ship. The British were very good at stopping the slave trade with one exception US flagged ships, they shut down everyone but the US Northern shippers. Wasn't that nice? The North was selling us slaves on the one hand while screeming bloody murder to free them on the other. Yet all the while we were the bad guys, Hmmmmm!!!

Peace

[Dee]

I am a descendant of Forrest on my Father's side. The link below is an accurate depiction of his life. He was known as The Wizard of the Saddle, which spawned the title of the grand wizard. The Klan was formed to resist reconstruction by intimidating carpetbaggers, scalawags and freedmen. Forrest met with other veterans in 1865 in Pulaski, TN to form the Klan. The white robes were supposed to be ghosts of Confederate soldiers. They would raid in the dark by horseback, offering resistance to their Northern occupiers and intimidating opposition.
 As for the Klan in our country today it was formed in 1915 with different ideals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

Bugflipper, while I would like to strongly disagree with you, however, I cannot. You are 100% correct. I believe the Portuguese were the kings of slave trading were they not? Slave ownership was on it's way out, as it was proving to be more expensive in the way of "up-keep" on the slaves themselves. A new South was emerging by necessaity but, they were good businessmen, and Europe was paying more for textiles than the North, and Lincoln wanted SPECIAL treatment for his businessman backers.
 Much is said out of ignorance of Nathan Bedford Forrest, but in fact he was a TRUE American, and like Lee, actually fought FOR "States' Rights". History has been distorted to make the white man FEEL BETTER, as last night's election further proves. But alas, a lie is a lie, regardless of where it is written down.
If I remember correctly, when Forrest tried to dis-sway the racism that had infected the Klan and failed, that he actually burned their meeting house and it's contents. Is that not correct?
As a side note, I suspect that with the events of last night's election, "Southern Pride" might very well make a come back and the voter might actually pick a more HONEST candidate than the one that lost. JMO

[Bugflipper]

Dee, you are correct. In a fit of rage he threw an oil lamp into the wall. The building did not totally burn down. I'd been in it some years past. It was gutted by the fire, but rebuilt inside.
 About ten years ago I was able to read his journal. His accounts of strategy and effect were amazing. The tactics employed are very similar to more recent blitz krieg or shock and awe styles. There were many graphic accounts of grizzly events, which go hand in hand with that war. He made many references to a book called The Art of War (6th Century BC China warfare principals) and creditted it to his success as an officer.
 

[williamlayton]

I have never hidden my head in the sand, denying a northern involvement.
I was not against the law---well the law of man---and perfectly legal.
That did not make it right, just lawful.
Blessings

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I have never hidden my head in the sand, denying a northern involvement.
I was not against the law---well the law of man---and perfectly legal.
That did not make it right, just lawful.
Blessings

A Northern involvement? Please! If they hadn't been so greedy (as well as the Government- US Navy) there would have been no slaves after 1808. By 1860 there would have been other ways to deal with the problem. But no, to have this all happen the Government would have had to actually had to DO SOMETHING and we all know how that goes.

[Dee]

Twice times, Ga.windbreak. The government is consistent, is it not?

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Twice times, Ga.windbreak. The government is consistent, is it not?

So right Dee. People tend to forget the only job of Government is to take money from a working man and then give it to a non working man. Some how that is the first thing that tends to get lost when the libs start with all of their handouts. Therefore it goes to reason that the smaller and less effective a government is the better and happier the people.

[Dee]

Still more amazing is the fact that few recognize the fact that government actually produces "nothing", and creates burden.
Governments start wars, and order participation in them, but never actually fight in them. Mr. Lincoln and Mr. Bush, did not pick up the sword, and shout: Common boys! They instead, waved their mighty hands and shouted: Go get'em boys but, mind your manners while you fight my war.

[williamlayton]

There are actually good things government does for the common good--if one wishes too see it.
I agree that Welfare is in need of BIG TIME reform--that is not the onliest thing government does with taxes.
These are things each state cannot do with their limited funds alone.
There are things which, for the common good, need too be co-ordinated, and not just done without simularity.
Co-ordination is a good thing - in my experience.
Blessings

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Dee, you are correct. In a fit of rage he threw an oil lamp into the wall. The building did not totally burn down. I'd been in it some years past. It was gutted by the fire, but rebuilt inside.
 About ten years ago I was able to read his journal. His accounts of strategy and effect were amazing. The tactics employed are very similar to more recent blitz krieg or shock and awe styles. There were many graphic accounts of grizzly events, which go hand in hand with that war. He made many references to a book called The Art of War (6th Century BC China warfare principals) and creditted it to his success as an officer.
 

It is mind blowing that Forrest and other Southern Generals came up with such a new way to wage war. What with the limited resources they were forced to think outside the box. Plus I would be remiss if I didn't give the devil his due. Sherman and Grant's style of war was refought in WWII with no second thought by both sides. Civilians were killed, on both sides, without a second thought.

[wncchester]

It deelites me to say that one of my granddaughers is dating a direct descendant of Gen. Forest.  I kinda hope it works out, would be proud to have that youngin' in the family!

[Dee]

Dee, you are correct. In a fit of rage he threw an oil lamp into the wall. The building did not totally burn down. I'd been in it some years past. It was gutted by the fire, but rebuilt inside.
 About ten years ago I was able to read his journal. His accounts of strategy and effect were amazing. The tactics employed are very similar to more recent blitz krieg or shock and awe styles. There were many graphic accounts of grizzly events, which go hand in hand with that war. He made many references to a book called The Art of War (6th Century BC China warfare principals) and creditted it to his success as an officer.
 

It is mind blowing that Forrest and other Southern Generals came up with such a new way to wage war. What with the limited resources they were forced to think outside the box. Plus I would be remiss if I didn't give the devil his due. Sherman and Grant's style of war was refought in WWII with no second thought by both sides. Civilians were killed, on both sides, without a second thought.

Sherman was a scoundrel of the lowest order. With a scorched earth policy killing what ever stood in front of him. He was not a General or a warrior. He was a butcher, commanded by a drunk. JMO
There is no honor in burning towns, just because they are southern towns, and there is no honor in causing suffering to non-combatants. Just because they are southern non-combatants.

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You are so right Dee Sherman and Grant were two of a kind and there was no Honor between them. You see this again and again, the differences between these two armies, the one side (ours) fighting only combatants while the other side burns, rapes, and murders the innocent and helpless.

Look at just how Grant fought Lee. He would lose and then bring more men into the fight. He did this time and time again, he fought the very war that Lincoln wanted fought. Neither man cared about the troopers in the mud, their only thought was to beat old Bobby Lee. Neither man was ever good enough to even come up to Robert E. Lee's boot heel. One other small point to add: it was Grant (with approval by Lincoln) who stopped the POW exchange and the shipments of drugs and supplys to the South so that Northern POWs could be treated and saved. Wortz was the wrong man hanged for Andersonville, it should have been Grant, he caused it.

[williamlayton]

And you scald me for what you believe is getting off topic.
Forrest was a good General. I also believe he was a decent man.
There was no condemnation for slavery in the South and I don't condemn it as it was legal. I condemn the act of slavery, however.
There were slave traders in every county in the South. It was an auction, folks were bought and sold. The traders were modern brokers.
This involvement and the Ku Klux Klan are after the lose of the war conversations.
It was guerrilla warfare in the South thru the last 100 years. Therefore, my comment about obstinate in another thread. I lived in it folks and saw it with my own eyes, heard it with my own ears, was taught it.
Blessings

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It deelites me to say that one of my granddaughers is dating a direct descendant of Gen. Forest.  I kinda hope it works out, would be proud to have that youngin' in the family!

Sounds great, hope it works out for the best.

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A new report on the action at Fort Pillow.

Fort Pillow and the BIG lie

http://www.37thtexas.org/html/grandfab.html