CONGRATULATIONS.

[Cabin4]

4 years ago the gov regulators testified before a Congressional committee and TOLD them the mortgage mess was on the way and that congress needed to ACT. The democrates on the committee, essentially called the regulators racist and that their motives were aimed at reducing minority home ownership. Minority home ownership soared under the deregulation.

2 years ago McCain is on the record that the problem was growing and that congress needed to act.

1 year ago Barney Frank & Chris Dodd said everything was just fine!!!! They needed to hide the problem till the timing was right. Obama would tailor his campaign message early on to set the stage for the disaster that they would throw at the American people when the timing was perfect for Obama to leverage it. He was now down in the Pols after the Palin pick and his momentum  in the polls continued down... Time to release the financial disaster!!!

No one listened, including the American people and the media/press gave Frank, Dodd and the Congressional banking committee a complete full pass. Any reasonable investigation would prove that the Democrates are more to blames for this mess then anyone because they knew about it did not do a dam thing for the past 2 years as the problem grew out of control. They have House control and run the dam Banking Committee that was responsible for oversight.

Think about the timing of Fannie May and Freddie Mack coming forward at the tail end of the general election cycle!!!! They came clean to influence the election and it worked. Frank & Dodd gave them cover and the timing was completely planned. They would all blame Bush and Obama was sure to gain.

It worked because the American people by in large have become dumb.

[Fazak]

Yeah, well,.. we do what we can.

[Casull]

You RP guys are living in a dream world.  This country is turning more and more liberal and socialist (and it makes me sick to admit or even think that).  Hell, McCain was too "conservative" for the voters yesterday.  Ron Paul would have taken a much worse beating.  He may be right on a number of things, but that doesn't mean the idiots on the left will vote for him.   

[Spanky]

The name calling and blame game ain't gonna change a thing guys.
We lost.
By "we" I mean any of us that did not vote for Obama.
I went into the polls and voted straight Republican.
NY is now completely run by the Dems. Go figure.
At least I can say... I DID MY PART TO STOP IT.
Most of us tried to stop this from happening by voting for someone other than Obama.
Still doesn't change things.
Now we need to pick ourselves up and dust off.
Look forward to the next local, state and federal elections and do what we can do to make things better then.
The sooner we get the ball rolling, the better.



Spanky

[Dee]

Spanky your are correct. Not one here, voted for Obama. ALL here, are concerned with his brand of governing. NONE here know yet, because he hasn't taken office yet.
Several here have continually burned bridges with folks whom feel the same way about Obama, but have a different idea in how to deal with the problem.
McCain got as close to winning as he could have. Not enough Americans saw anything they liked. Finger pointing as to why he lost is just burning more bridges. He lost because AMERICA didn't trust him with their business.
I believe it will get much worse before it gets much better. I am not going to waste my time bickering with those whom didn't get their way. I am interested in aligning with calm determined folks with a sense of direction, staying power, and a QUALITY candidate.

[Dee]

You RP guys are living in a dream world.  This country is turning more and more liberal and socialist (and it makes me sick to admit or even think that).  Hell, McCain was too "conservative" for the voters yesterday.  Ron Paul would have taken a much worse beating.  He may be right on a number of things, but that doesn't mean the idiots on the left will vote for him.   

I don't believe anyone here is at this time promoting Ron Paul as it is clearly (to most) an opportunity "missed".
As far as the idiots on the left voting for him, it would also appear the idiots on the left AND right would also not vote for McCain either. McCain is about as conservative as Russ Feingold, which is exactly why many Republicans apparently refused to vote for him.

[Greenmtnboy66]

All you 3rd party voters and supporters have achieved your goal. You effectively bad mouthed Mccain and supported One of the biggest anti gunners in America, osama obama. You achieved your goal. You had the chance to oppose and fight this monster, but you refused. By refusing to fight him, you helped elect him. Tell me how you helped America by refusing to fight this evil? How did you benefit us as gun owners, hunters, shooters? You have turned your back on America and common sense and decency. You have elected a man who is pro death, pro gay, anti gun, and the biggest racist since George Wallace. A man who said on national tv that if Israel and the muslims go to war, he would support the muslims. YEP, you guy should be proud of yourselves, I'm not, I'm ashamed of ya. You can stick your convictions where the sun don't shine. There are some here that I will try real hard not to respond to, no matter how ignorant and stupid they are. POWDERMAN. 

What a dumb ass remark, made by a dumb ass. You have been running around screaming this message like an old woman for months. I and others have read your panic ridden posts for weeks. You have even followed us to other threads screaming your redundant message. Get some counseling before you drive yourself to a heart attack or stroke. In the mean time I don't care what you think about anything. Your just a redundantly screaming baby. Your biggest fear just won not only the delegate votes, but the popular vote as well. My state was carried by McCain as the Republican always does. I could have voted for the three stooges and it wouldn't have mattered, but honestly I didn't think you guys could handle the job. McCain just couldn't pull it off. I don't care if you respond or not. You are categorized in a group filed under hysterically fearful of the so far unknown.
You have issued insult after insult, innuendo after innuendo, and accusation after accusation, not to mention the name calling you have done. It should have been stopped long ago but, was not. The sky is falling powderman, quick get under the bed and suck your thumb, and pout. Your guy lost!
Now take this post and run with it. Your good at it. This post is my final acknowlegement of your existance and I gave you plenty to rave about. You are another ex-friend I will ignore in the future. This ain't Burger King and you don't always have it your way. None of these   from me. Just these.
If in the future you refuse to acknowledge my existence it would absolutely make my life complete. You're a heretical drama queen.

  ....OMG.....   Dee....  what the.... well hell I guess I just could not have said it better myself... 

Thank you for congratulating me for being a REAL AMERICAN!!!!
Not a chicken little.
evil is evil lesser or not.

[Singleshotsam]

Out of the 23 choices that were not Obama or McCain according to http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/allcandidates/

There were a total of 1,571,103 votes 3rd party... Ralph Nador received less than 1% of the popular vote and had the most 3rd party votes...

64,236,198 votes for Obama
56,623,741 votes for McCain

So if every person who voted 3rd party voted for McCain instead McCain would have had 58,194,844
McCain would have still lost to Obama by 6,041,354... Not to mention Obama's blowout in Electoral votes...
Obama had 349 electoral votes
McCain had 163
26 Undecided...

So how is it 3rd party voters fault?... McCain got torn a new one in both electoral votes and popular votes... Get over it. 

[Cabin4]

Cabin.....ummm, where was Hank Paulson the last 4 years while this paper swap economy unraveled...and any Bush regulators/law abiders..?  Are you saying Frank and Dodd set up Bush and his Wall Street insiders.....?

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....TM7

 

Sorry TM7, you can't blame Paulson for lack of regulation. Only congress can enact laws to deregulate or regulate an industry and only congress is tasked with oversight.

You can blame Paulson all you want but its NOT his RESPONSABILITY to provide oversight because he has NO authority. That is with Congress and your beloved Barny Frank who chairs the Congressional Banking Oversight Committee.

The democrates ran to Paulson for a solution to the mess so they could get his finger prints on the dam thing and blame him and Bush with all the blame.

I could care less about Paulson, he's a meaningless pawn. The American people never voted for him. We voted for congress and its their dam job to make sure the checks and balances are in place. If they thought Paulson was not doing his job, how come they did not say anything 6, 12, 18, 24 months ago??

[billy_56081]

Quote DEE

"45-70.gov, I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you but, will tell you that your abandoning of the Libertarian party accomplished nothing. Jumping from candidate to candidate and party to party is the very reason you ended up with McCain as a candidate."


DEE weren't you the one slobbering and drooling over Mc Cain picking Palin as VP? Didn't you start a thread about it or am I mistaken. D: And you go around and blab about jumpin candidate to candidate and party to party. Sounds just a tad bit hypocritical to me. But go ahead and pass you secret notes to your buddys.

[Cabin4]

Cabin.....ummm, where was Hank Paulson the last 4 years while this paper swap economy unraveled...and any Bush regulators/law abiders..?  Are you saying Frank and Dodd set up Bush and his Wall Street insiders.....?

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....TM7

 

Sorry TM7, you can't blame Paulson for lack of regulation. Only congress can enact laws to deregulate or regulate an industry and only congress is tasked with oversight.

You can blame Paulson all you want but its NOT his RESPONSABILITY to provide oversight because he has NO authority. That is with Congress and your beloved Barny Frank who chairs the Congressional Banking Oversight Committee.

The democrates ran to Paulson for a solution to the mess so they could get his finger prints on the dam thing and blame him and Bush with all the blame.

I could care less about Paulson, he's a meaningless pawn. The American people never voted for him. We voted for congress and its their dam job to make sure the checks and balances are in place. If they thought Paulson was not doing his job, how come they did not say anything 6, 12, 18, 24 months ago??

.
Ever hear of executive orders, executive influence and investigation; and let's not forget enforcement of existing law and regulations? Ever hear of DOJ? Laws are passed by Congress...regulations are written by the executive branch....Congress constructs and debates new laws of the land. In fact, the main function of the executive branch IS oversight and regulation thru all his executive agencies...not to be silent while the pirates play. So what is the executive branch to do?  Sit around and let it all unravel while their criminal friends cook up wars, cook up wall street and ripp off investors and ask for bailouts, cook the oil industry so we all socially support zillionaires. Apparently, the chief executive officer in charge was out to lunch, but you diehard GOPers are never going to get that until it swims up and bites you in the arse....like it did on Tuesday.


..TM7

You can't change the fact that it's congresses job to perform oversight. For two years the dems ran the banking oversight committee. They did not do a dam thing. Any president needs congress to do its job. No one voted for Paulson. Your just trying to protect the dmes and Barney Frank who are culpable and responsable. You can't blame Bush and not blame congress. Its not possible unless your only motive is political.

[Casull]

You RP guys are living in a dream world.  This country is turning more and more liberal and socialist (and it makes me sick to admit or even think that).  Hell, McCain was too "conservative" for the voters yesterday.  Ron Paul would have taken a much worse beating.  He may be right on a number of things, but that doesn't mean the idiots on the left will vote for him.     


I don't believe anyone here is at this time promoting Ron Paul as it is clearly (to most) an opportunity "missed".
As far as the idiots on the left voting for him, it would also appear the idiots on the left AND right would also not vote for McCain either. McCain is about as conservative as Russ Feingold, which is exactly why many Republicans apparently refused to vote for him.   

Seeing as McCain gathered over 46% of the vote, and seeing further as there are more registered democraps than Republicans, I don't think "many" Republicans refused to vote for McCain.  Apparently many independents refused to do so.  Now obviously McCain is not conservative and apparently you missed the intent of my post in that if McCain was somehow too "conservative" to draw independents or right leaning democraps, then how could RP have done any better.  We need to deal with the country as it is, not as we wish it were.  Hell, RP couldn't even win the Republican nomination.   

[Dee]

You RP guys are living in a dream world.  This country is turning more and more liberal and socialist (and it makes me sick to admit or even think that).  Hell, McCain was too "conservative" for the voters yesterday.  Ron Paul would have taken a much worse beating.  He may be right on a number of things, but that doesn't mean the idiots on the left will vote for him.     


I don't believe anyone here is at this time promoting Ron Paul as it is clearly (to most) an opportunity "missed".
As far as the idiots on the left voting for him, it would also appear the idiots on the left AND right would also not vote for McCain either. McCain is about as conservative as Russ Feingold, which is exactly why many Republicans apparently refused to vote for him.   

Seeing as McCain gathered over 46% of the vote, and seeing further as there are more registered democraps than Republicans, I don't think "many" Republicans refused to vote for McCain.  Apparently many independents refused to do so.  Now obviously McCain is not conservative and apparently you missed the intent of my post in that if McCain was somehow too "conservative" to draw independents or right leaning democraps, then how could RP have done any better.  We need to deal with the country as it is, not as we wish it were.  Hell, RP couldn't even win the Republican nomination.   

My point was and is, that some red states turned blue, rejecting McCain. I don't think I am going to make a point here with you, and it doesn't really matter. I will also repeat, that everyone is aware RP is out of the mix, but in reality you are the one trying to hammer this home, when I believe everyone was already aware of it. No one here said that RP would have done any better did they?
I am not sure at all why you seem so belligerent toward allies. Is it because your guy lost? My state voted McCain, did yours? He just didn't get the votes he needed.

[ms]

Remember bomb bomb bomb Iran people are tried of war. McCain didn't help him self by saying that. You need professional help please talk to someone and start loving life and your family.

[Cabin4]

Cabin....Barney and Shumer and the rest of Committee on banking are definitely accessories. Enforcement of crime and violations falls under the executive branch as does the Fed. Creating bogus 'paper' 'swaps' and bundling resales are specious in violation of law and regulations.  It was Bush and his executive cabinet (Paulson and DOJ) who could have put the cabosh on these illegal attivities but remained silent on the basis of laissez faire economics...there is no excuse; and it is not the domain of Congress members to go around and arrest people, supeona, and directly run the affairs of the the banking and security industry...that comes under the domain of the sheriff in the oval office...the buck stops there.  I do agree that barney et al are criminally negligent.
  Actually it is relatively simple to correct problems with the economy and to restore confidence in it.  Simply assure that the economy and those working in it operate according to law and common law. But with criminals in high office this is unlikely until chaos reigns.
   It is sad to see the GOP reduced to a bunch of whiners unwilling to take responsibilty for their screwups as they enevitably blame their opponents...very sad this partisan playing, and is likely the main cause behind destroying this country...that and hidden agendas. And yes Obama is likely just another set of crooks with an afro-american bent


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Casull...................McCain wasn't  conservative, he's radical and a neocon--who said the GOP is conservative?..... OTOH RP is truly conservative.

 

..TM7

If congress was doing its job and listening to the regulators, they would have to blow the lid off the issues. That would then send in the DOJ & FBI to investigate further. The DOJ & FBI have no means to investigate unless someome has evidance that their is wrong doing when it comes to these high financial processes. The DOJ has no power to just start investigating unless they are alerted to the problem and given reasonable evidance to act on.