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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2008, 08:47:18 PM »
First of all, our body armor won't stop most high-power center fire hunting rounds.  The regular stuff won't even stop 7.62x39.  The enhanced is designed to stop 7.62x39.  It won't take a .30-'06 or 7mm.  But that's not the issue.  What people don't understand is that everything rely's on long-term persuasion and indoctrination of the sheeple.  There isn't a military in the world that can occupy the US.  We are a VERY  large nation in terms of people and land mass.  Our military would have a hard time controlling New England much less the entire US.  UN doesn't have manpower to do it.  Heck they have a hard time giving up "peace-keepers" to help out in a small African country.  No... it will all hinge on Nazi-style tactics of making laws and then making the sheeple feel that it is their "duty" to turn in people who aren't marching in step.  Much easier to get folks to turn in their neighbors one at a time in the name of the "public safety".  Turn in you neighbor for using too much water, too much gas, too much energy.  Turn in your neighbor for having guns, ammo etc.  Turn in your neighbor for worshipping GOD.  All in the name of the public good.  If they try to do it quickly and with force then they get a war or anarchy.  But slowly, slowly... and then the end is the same but without major bloodshed.   Watch out for the taxes on guns, ammo, reloading supplies.  They will try to tax us out of ownership.  Europe has tried that with some success.  Watch out for the civilian security force too.  It's a good way to indoctrinate whole generations of young folks in whatever you want to.  Watch out for "mandatory" service... it won't be mandatory but you'll have to accomplish it if you want student loans, grants, scholarships etc.  In effect it will be mandatory for most of our young'ens.   Gotta go... for now...


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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2008, 02:22:55 AM »
I think if there was sufficient manpower to take our guns by force, it would have already been done. 
They might be able to brainwash a lot of Americans into voluntarily giving up firearms.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2008, 02:35:45 AM »
Brett:
In theory that sounds great, however it will not stop the presses to crank out billions of more paper money as it is doing now with the bail outs. There is nothing to back the currency, so  not paying your paper money isn't going to work since the Feds have tons more paper to print.

Most of us are not self-employed so you don't even get your tax money for a milli second in your hand.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2008, 03:00:51 AM »
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They might be able to brainwash a lot of Americans into voluntarily giving up firearms.

They won't have to.  Making possesion a felony with a mandatory 10 year sentence will be enough to get 99% of them.  If you can't shoot and you can't hunt, what's the point?
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2008, 03:17:26 AM »
The POINT and the entire reason for the Second Amendment is self defense and the ability to defend your freedom.


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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2008, 03:24:54 AM »
I'm glad No Guns isn't a tyrant, I believe he has it about figured out. I wonder if the Dems are as smart as he is though. If they go too fast there will be bullets flying.

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2008, 03:37:26 AM »
It will be just like cancer slow and one day your dead. Gb is right on the point of the 2nd has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with stopping the opression of liberty






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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2008, 04:23:29 AM »
Could Obama be the anti-Christ?  ???

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2008, 06:30:56 AM »
Most folks wages are taxed BEFORE they get their check.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2008, 06:50:21 AM »
Kudos Mr. Greybeard! But as far as tearing down power lines don't do that I work for a generating and transmission power company and our linemen work hard enough and aren't you worried about Homeland Security and the plots you guys come up with? And I do not believe our weakest link is the middle class!!!!!!!!! A great division is history that eliminated a middle class destroyed a great nation was Rome so the middle class is the batteries in which the country's watch runs on!
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2008, 07:23:50 AM »
 could he be.. lets give him a looksee..
 nothing else we can do right now..if hes as bad as we fear he may be..we can try to put him outa office in four yrs..
  meantime establish  gun owners as an entity of its own..
 one to be respected and yes ,mabe feared..make sure we
represent ourselves as freedom loving ,seekers of rightness
as best as is our ability to discern..im sure the tories thought the patriots were a bit radical,,so be it..
but we need make sure we do everything in a way that doesn t offend our father in heaven..
 if not,,  he knows his followers have little to fear and he may just wash his hands of the rest..but if he chooses,,
 we may be granted an repreave for our children an grandchildrens sake..this from a kinda old guy.. im sure many almost as young as some of my grandchildren are members here..
  make no mistake.. loss of right to bear arms means absolute end of ,of the people, by the people, for the people..commitment to that seems to get weaker all the time,,mabe we are being conditioned.. you think,, ,,seems so, to me anyway..
yall have a good day. slim

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2008, 09:59:59 AM »
Kudos Mr. Greybeard! But as far as tearing down power lines don't do that I work for a generating and transmission power company and our linemen work hard enough and aren't you worried about Homeland Security and the plots you guys come up with? And I do not believe our weakest link is the middle class!!!!!!!!! A great division is history that eliminated a middle class destroyed a great nation was Rome so the middle class is the batteries in which the country's watch runs on!

I agree with you on our middle class.  When I used the term weakest link I was referring to finances.  The middle class has much less money than the ones we are bailing out.  That was the point I was trying to make.  I guess that wasn't clear.  My bad.

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2008, 10:13:35 AM »
Could Obama be the anti-Christ?  ???

No, he cannot be the anti-Christ.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2008, 12:21:17 PM »
By the way the government does not make money it gets it's money by taxing it's citizenry.  I have a theory that If we wanted to stop the government in it's tracks all we would have to do is stop paying our taxes en mass.  

Here is how we get that to happen.  Imagine if instead of Mr.FICA taking your taxes from your check, you got paid in cash.  Then had to step to the next window and pay....$300.00 to the military....$1200.00 to social services...$50.00 to park and recreations...$250.00 to scientific research....etc...  All of a sudden people start asking questions about where there money is going.  FICA is the same thing as using chips at a casino.  If people had to use wads of hard earned cash instead of user friendly, somewhat ambiguous "chips" the casino's would be out of business in a month...Same for the Feds.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2008, 12:44:15 PM »
Most folks wages are taxed BEFORE they get their check.

Well yes and no, just change your number of exemptions on your w4 to a large number and the withholding will drop significantly. Now come tax time and a litlle later that IRS can take you to court and garnish wages but, if say 80 million did this at one time the IRS would hit gridlock. Socialists take someone cheating on thier taxes seriously, I remember one of the faces of Death movies showing the punishment for not paying taxes in the former USSR.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2008, 07:29:23 PM »
Billy

Thing is people haven't figured it out like you. The Dems made a huge coup when they got payroll deductions, everybody looks at their paycheck after deductions and that's the end of it for them. The point is if everyone had to write a check to pay their taxes, they would suddenly realize how much taxes cost and Wa-la big spending Dems wouldn't be going to congress anymore.

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2008, 11:12:39 PM »
Guys and Gals the only way to win and keep your freedoms is to become active in politics and vote. Every polictical whore in the red states should know your hand writing. They can stop what is coming from the white house. They fear unemployment when it is their azz. The finger on the right button at the voting booth will do more than the finger on the trigger.
When the masses get to wanting their pockets filled from the sweat of others you get obama's and people like him. But he can only do what the 535 whores give him. If we consentrate on the red states we have a chance. The people in them are mostly hard working and have some sense.
Do not think the powers that be worry about taking your guns They laugh when they see such bravado spoken or writing. The world has grave yards full of Men who have been drug from their homes and sent into wars they didnot want to be in. It is called a draft. They control men when they want to. They have the laws, we have families. They know our fears and worries and they use them against us. It has been done for thousands of years and they are good at it. The vast number of LEO'S on here and else where will kick your door down as fast as any un troop. The military will act when told. It would not take long.
So if you like freedom get involved polictically. Write, go door to door, talk to people, run for office at all levels and let people know where you stand. That is what they fear.

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2008, 03:09:20 AM »
I have started reading the book "1984" by George Orwell. I'm about halfway through the book now ,and it seems like we are heading into the situation/ lifestyle described in the book.
Like Winston wrote in his diary...
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2008, 11:12:12 AM »
You're seeing the first acts. People are standing in line at gun counters all over the country, they are letting their outrage be known. Seems all of them want to send a form letter to the gov't.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2008, 01:31:22 PM »
That's good. The Roman Catholics are doing their  part.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2008, 05:22:14 AM »
I could be wrong, but I think these people laugh at letters, emails and phone calls. 
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2008, 05:32:22 AM »
Irs:  You are correct IMO.

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2008, 01:52:55 PM »
By the way the government does not make money it gets it's money by taxing it's citizenry.  I have a theory that If we wanted to stop the government in it's tracks all we would have to do is stop paying our taxes en mass.  

Here is how we get that to happen.  Imagine if instead of Mr.FICA taking your taxes from your check, you got paid in cash.  Then had to step to the next window and pay....$300.00 to the military....$1200.00 to social services...$50.00 to park and recreations...$250.00 to scientific research....etc...  All of a sudden people start asking questions about where there money is going.  FICA is the same thing as using chips at a casino.  If people had to use wads of hard earned cash instead of user friendly, somewhat ambiguous "chips" the casino's would be out of business in a month...Same for the Feds.

WylieKy, before I sold my business, I used to tell my wife every quarter, that if everyone paid quarterly taxes, there would be an armed revolt against the government. Folks don't realize how much the governments, both local, state and federal are getting BEFORE they get their wages.
For example, I have never had a child in the school system, in the school district I live in, nor in college in the county I live in. HOWEVER, I pay outrageous taxes every year to both, while the folks whom send there children to the public schools in my district in many cases don't own property, and pay NO SCHOOL TAXES. And the list goes on.
In my 20 years of L.E. (retired 14 years ago) I came to the conclusion that most people under 50, are clueless of what is going on and too damn lazy to find out.
Now the question is, will they fight against the government? My opinion? Hell NO! They don't know they can. Most are over weight, and unarmed. Most will starve first, or be shot by folks protecting their home. There is much bravado spouted by would be warriors, but few have ever shed blood, and it is for the most part, braggadocios talk. Being loud and graphic is a sure sign of inexperience, and insecurity.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2008, 05:16:51 PM »
As far as I can tell, The NRA outnumbers any standing army on earth..
That is not to count the millions of gun owners who are not members of the NRA..
Do I need say more?
Just say "no" to gun control!

I heard today that the new attorney general was janet reno's right hand man
when she ordered the slaughter of the branch davidians.. looks to me
like history could repeat itself quite easily somewhere... even with some of the same players
as before. people know the lengths the gov't will go to keep their domination over the people.
they will burn alive women and children! They will shoot unborn children as they did on ruby ridge!
This country is a boiling cauldron of fear and anger right now and a little more heat
will surely boil it over. Every police officer I know has said they will turn in their shield
before they will try to disarm civilians. Wait till the first SWAT team gets whiped out in a raid
and see who steps forward then to go and confiscate the weapons. Maybe the U.N.?
Don't laugh, they are doing it as we speak in other countries! no one I know would tolerate U.N.
soldiers patrolling their streets or trying to take their weapons. Maybe Obama's national police force
(gestapo) that he wants created.
Ask yourself this though. If some one were to take a stand and actually fight to protect the second ammendment, How would they be remembered? As a Patriot or a domestic terrorist?
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2008, 07:51:18 PM »
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Ask yourself this though. If some one were to take a stand and actually fight to protect the second ammendment, How would they be remembered? As a Patriot or a domestic terrorist?


It seems to me that most of us remember Randy Weaver and his family, especially in light of governments court conviction on wrongful death and excessive use of force by the agents involved.  Hopefully other agents in the BATF will remember that they are personally responsible for taking the law into their own hands before it gets out of control.  Like the passengers in the terrorist plane in PA, Weaver set an example for all firearms owners to resist government excess and tyranny. 
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2008, 02:10:54 AM »
deltecs I have worked with BATF agents, and these agents go into the agency fully aware of the laws they will enforce, and have ALREADY made the decision to violate the second amendment if instructed to do so. Your perception of civil rights and an agency members perception many times will be two different things.
As far as Randy Weaver, I have read much about his plight. He stood VIRTUALLY ALONE in the stand off, while his son decomposed in the birthing shed, and his wife on the kitchen floor.
U.S. Marshall's LIED, and the Hostage Rescue Team finished up on the siege. No prison for anyone.
Yes a small group of "protesters" stood at a distance and "protested"  ::) but, Randy and remaining family members +1 withstood the ordeal alone. NO ONE offered to fight. NOT ONE.
Oh! And that sniper that shot Vickie while she held her baby? He was at Waco too, and shot several innocents there also.
Money replaced nothing, and it took years to get it. Protesting is not the same as participating, and few will participate, but many will blow off about it. I have seen men left twisting in the wind for a lot less than 2nd Amendment rights while so called patriots stood by and whispered among themselves, and did nothing while at the same time knowing full well the man was innocent.
I and two others recently stood up for such a man in a church matter, while over 20 other men stood by and watched a fellow Christian, Church member, and Class member be railroaded out of the church. He has since been found faultless, and still these men will not jeopardize their standing. He and we three stood alone while the entire church whispered what a bad deal the man received. It changed nothing other than my attendance to certain activities, and my unwillingness to set at the table with such men.
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2008, 03:04:48 AM »
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Much easier to get folks to turn in their neighbors one at a time in the name of the "public safety".  Turn in you neighbor for using too much water, too much gas, too much energy.  Turn in your neighbor for having guns, ammo etc.  Turn in your neighbor for worshipping GOD.  All in the name of the public good.  If they try to do it quickly and with force then they get a war or anarchy.  But slowly, slowly... and then the end is the same but without major bloodshed

That is how it works around here, at least in the larger city's that are to my east & west. Neighbors will turn in Neighbors for very simple acts that is really none of their buisness nor does it affect them.
I can really see this escalating if these people recieve Big Brothers blessing on turning in someone who is seen with a cased firearm or perhaps Church clothes on.
I am fortunate enough to live in one of the very small community's that have the (door unlocked) mentality and everyone pretty much gets along.

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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2008, 03:44:56 AM »
First acts of outrage will be among Obama's supporters. Blacks mostly. After a year or so, they'll realize he's not their savior. He's not going to be able to give them a million dollars each for repreations for slavery. He's not going to be able to give them a years supply of MD20/20 and Kool cigarettes. Gas WILL go up in price, along with everything else. Even though some of the media are claiming this will be the ''new'' Camalot, here's what I think. People that voted for this guy, either arn't old enough, or have short memories of J.Carter. After maybe 2 years, they'll wonder just what the hell did I do, voting for this clown. Inflation and interest will probably be double digit. Probably one, if not 2 terrorists attacks against this country. Inner cities will react the first. He'll probably proclaim martial law. Trouble with that is, our N.G. units have been over worked with this war, police dept. are down in their numbers, due to dwindling tax dollars. Very good probability of food shortage's. This National Security Force has me wondering though. Just who is going to comprise this force?? Lots of things to consider. gypsyman
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Re: What will the first acts of civil outrage and unrest be?
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2008, 03:56:05 AM »
the loss of freedom of speech !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2008, 04:07:07 AM »
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national secuity force=  acorn  times 500  and a name change
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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