Author Topic: Where are the 5mm's? (Read 1766 times)

navylawdog · « **on:** November 15, 2008, 08:21:34 AM »

I was just wondering where all those 5mm's are that all these manufacturers where supposed to make? Are they supposed to come out in 2009? Are they holding off because of the economy? Has anyone heard? Also what companies are supposed to be adding it to their lineup?

Navylawdog

mag-check · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2008, 11:51:58 AM »

The 5mm got SH** Canned!

They were are crap round in 1970 and still are today. Know one wanted to invest with only one ammo manufacture. If CCI were to come out with ammo which there not

it might be different but the word I got from Coy Getman at CCI was not no but hell know CCI would never make the stuff that tells it all right there! I had a 5mm it no more killing power than the 22 mag or 17HMR so whats the point? I say go out and buy a hornet or a fireball if you want more power. I hope this is the end of this 5mm story!

Keith L · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2008, 12:55:45 PM »

You will find that the 5MM had a following, and many that hang out here liked it. Don't be real surprised if folks disagree with your assessment.

mag-check · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2008, 01:28:01 PM »

Just not my assessment sport! Its the feeeling of alot of folks mainly those at Remington and CCI! You should give them a call sometime and find out for yourself. The thing is some folks of a problem with the truth

you have these so called gun and ammo experts that don't no sheet! This is what happened CZ called CCI and asked them why they werent going to jump on the 5mm bandwagon CCI told them the truth about the round CZ said thanks for the info and end of story if you or the 5mm guys don't like it Im sorry I don't know what to tell you

but thats the truth!

LONGTOM · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2008, 01:42:51 PM »

Can't say much about the 5 in a rifle, I never shot mine much.
I have and still do use my 10" oct contender barrel.
In that barrel length if will definitely out do my 10" 22 mag barrel.
I traded my like new 592 for a as new 7x64 Handi rifle even up.
I think I got the better end of the deal.

LONGTOM

mag-check · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2008, 01:53:26 PM »

Out do?

LONGTOM · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2008, 03:52:06 PM »

It might not for you but it does for me.

You know I get a little tired of people who bash someone or something with out backing it up.

I would suggest you read CARTRIDGES OF THE WORLD 11th edition page 475 the bottom cartridge!
QUOTE "Bullet diameter is .2045 inch with a weight of 38 grains and a muzzle velocity of 2100fps.
This round developed the highest velocity of any rimfire at the time".
Quote out of text "killing range 25 to 50yds greater than the 22 WMR".
Quote out of text "150fps higher initial velocity"

Yes there are some of the newer 22WMRs out that will out do it
But in my guns they don't shoot worth a hoot!!!

To you sir I say GOODBYE!

LONGTOM

Hank08 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:01:14 AM »

Someone's making 5mm ammo again. Not sure who but I saw an advertisment
resently at a gun shop from a distributor. The wholesale price was around $14 per 50.
H08

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:15:27 AM »

Centurion , out of Mexico maybe is the maker .
I would try one if ammo was around .

CCI , if there was a good market might change their mind .

LONGTOM · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2008, 05:35:39 AM »

Centurion is in dead the company making the ammo.
They say the first run was bad ammo.
The second run is suppose to be much better.
I haven't heard how much better though!

LONGTOM

mag-check · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2008, 11:30:47 AM »

Longtom I don't have to read anything Ive forgot more about the 5mm than youll ever know and having owned one I speak and walk the walk! Ive tested the 5mm side by side again the 22 magnum and if there was a difference in killing power I couldnt see it. You can show me on paper ballisitcs all day long it means nothing. Just remember one thing the 22cal. is right at .020 larger in bullet dia than the 5mm that means from the start it has alot of catching up to do for killing power the larger dia. bullet wins ever time. Sub calibers give me a break!

And that guy that wrote that little write up has never even shot a 5mm.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2008, 02:52:43 PM »

I am glad you are such an expert just because you owned one!
I am also amazed that you think you know more than someone you have never even meet!!!
As I said it might not for you but it does for me!
If you don't think that man who wrote the book knows what he is talking about then why don't you write one on the 5 and tell us all about it.
While you are at it please take the time to inject all of your knowledge about all of the sub calibers.
That should make for some pretty good reading!
I didn't say it would kill any better, after all dead is dead.

You can show me on paper ballisitcs all day long it means nothing.
I guess I could say the same thing about your comment!
I say it does and you say it don't, your word against mine and a noted gun book.

The fact is in my two 10" tc barrels it will out preform the 22 mag period.
This is the last of the argument, as I said TO YOU SIR I SAY GOODBYE!!!

LONGTOM

torpedoman · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2008, 03:17:04 PM »

I can't shoot a rimfire (not reloadable) round that cost that much accurately, Every time i start to squeeze the trigger my wallet bites my butt causing a flinch.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2008, 03:50:14 PM »

Ah it's not to bad now with ammo only running around $15.00 to $20.00 a box.
Back when the original was costing up as high as $80.00 a box that's when you made every shot count.

LONGTOM

mag-check · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:21:59 PM »

And if I might add hopefully the bullet would expand and the bolt handle didnt fall off or the extractor didnt break!

Great guns those 5mm Remingtons! I did a bunch of chronographing of the old and new 5mm ammo the old stuff would sometime shoot around 2,100fps. factory spec and sometimes it would barely break 2,000fps. and very high SD.

George Foster · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2008, 11:54:21 PM »

mag-check,

I am certainly not an expert but seeing as how I owned more than one 5MM Mag and more than one 22Mag I can tell you in my experience the 5mm was a more powerful cartridge. I shot over 70 woodchucks in 1971 with the two cartridges and can base my opinion on that. The furthest kill I made that year was 176yds with one of my 5MM's and it was a clean one shot kill. That is 50yds further than I trusted the 22Mag for. Also in my opinion the 5MM was a more accurate cartridge. I still have a box of 5MM ammo that shows I gave the princely sum of $3.49 for it.

mag-check · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2008, 11:28:32 AM »

George there are some articles over at Varminter.com they are on the 5mm magnum from Guns and Ammo Rifle, Shooting times and in those articles the wrtiers said that even on shooting woodchucks the 5mm was at its very best a 125yd. cartridge! Now thats not me saying that thats the guys that wrote the articles back when the 5mm first came out. The 591 an 592 5mm rifle were light weight plinking rifles hardly 175yd rifles

so I smell Bullsh** on your post! But if you get time go over to Varminter and check out some good reading. One more thing in all those articles and some of the ones I have in all the 100yd. testing the 5mm would not hold a 2" groups at 100yds. some were even as bad as 3"! One 592 I shot a few years ago wouldnt hold a 5" group with the old Rem ammo! Theres somemore good reading on the 5mm in Gun digest 2003, Guns Illustrade 2001 on the not so big and bad 5mm.

Keith L · « **Reply #17 on:** November 20, 2008, 12:36:28 PM »

OK guys. The debate can continue, but read the rules for posting on GBO forums before the next salvos. Flaming and personal attacks will result in posts being removed. If it keeps up then posters will be removed. Lets keep it civil.

Bugflipper · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2008, 01:09:37 PM »

Not getting in on the debate, have no idea about a 5mm, never shot one. I've shot aguila ammo for a few years and won matches with them as well. It is quality ammo, eley brass loaded with their bullet and powder. Made in mexico, was actually pretty cheap before people figured out it was good stuff, just like the wolf 22lr match ammo.
At any rate they list the 5mm at 30 gr. 2300 fps 352 ft lbs. So what will a comparable 22 mag do?

mag-check · « **Reply #19 on:** November 20, 2008, 01:19:14 PM »

CCI has the fastest 22 magnum ammo 30gr. +Vs ,TNTs, V-maxs 2,200fps. but chronographed the 30gr. stuff goes much faster, +Vs as fast as 2,350fps. Then you have the Rem 33gr. Vmax and Win supreme at 2,100fps. This new 5mm round doesnt have the exploding impact like the 22 mag ammo has it mushrooms out more like a big game bullet.

Bugflipper · « **Reply #20 on:** November 20, 2008, 01:38:51 PM »

Darn, was hoping for a bridge between the 22 mag and 22 hornet in rimfire for coyote. Doesn't look like this is it. A long time ago I read about a varmint hunter taking an obsolete rimfire case and drilling it for primers and then reloading it because it was so good. Must have been something else.
Alright thanks.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #21 on:** November 20, 2008, 03:20:42 PM »

Sorry Keith!
It won't happen again on my part.
I know you have read the replys but lets have a quick over view.
I think you can see where this started.

navylawdog asked a simple question and mag-check dumps on it with his reply.
Then you make a reply and he dumps on you.
I make a reply with no reference to him, I just state my results with my two barrels.
He comes back with a smiley that implies his disapproval and that I don't know what I am talking about.
I reply with a reference to help back my side up and he dumps on me, my knowledge, the reference and the author.
So I dumped on him and tried to end it.
A couple of clean replies.
He comes back and dumps on the ammo and the gun.
George Foster posts a reply on his experiences with them and he dumps on him and basically calls him a liar.
And that leads us to your warning, which is well founded I admit!

No one called him a liar, no one said his references in his last reply was wrong.
We just posted our experiences with the 5mm.
Obviously his experiences was different and that's fine, just don't sit there and call people a liar and try to match knowledge with someone he has never met!!!

These are just my feelings on the matter and I don't think they are unfounded.

LONGTOM

mag-check · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2008, 04:34:47 PM »

See there again people have a problem with the truth! I speak the truth I don't beat around the bush its just my way

navylawdog · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2008, 05:19:30 PM »

I want to thank mag-check for your opinion and I appreciate anyones opinion on a post I make. But asked the question because I would like to buy one and try it out for myself. If I try it and don't like it then I can form my own opinion of the gun or the round or both. That was my reason for asking the question. But again thank you for your opinion.

Navylawdog

Graybeard · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2008, 05:59:15 PM »

mag-check I'm getting the impression you're just not gonna fit in around here. I suggest you tone it down a bit or leave your choice. You're so full of BS it's not even funny. More internet bravado and knowledge. The only folks who didn't like the 5mm Remington were folks who never owned one.

So the move is yours. Continue to blow off and be gone or calm it and stay awhile longer. Those really are your only two choices.

George Foster · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2008, 01:14:05 AM »

mag-check,

I don't argue with anyone as it is a waste of time! I have probably been a member for Varmint.Com for a lot longer than you. Also I owned the 5MM's when Remington first brought them out and used them and know what they would do. I was a teenager when the 22Mag was brought out and owned one at that time. You probably aren't old enough to have been around then. I base my opinions on my real life experience and not articles I have read. As far as you thinking my post was BS that doesn't mean anything to me as you are entitled to your opinion, as is anyone and it doesn't matter how wrong they may be!!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2008, 01:29:54 AM »

the friends lucky enough to have had a 5mm all kept them with hope of getting ammo some day . To a man they wish ammo was to be had . When they could get it they often paid $50.00 for a box of 50 . People just don't do that for a rifle that isn't good !

mag-check · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2008, 12:30:31 PM »

Navylawdog call CCI and ask them why there not making 5mm ammo Ill give you ther phone #

mag-check · « **Reply #28 on:** November 21, 2008, 12:31:48 PM »

Ask the tech guy there if therers a head spacing problem with the old 5mm rifles.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #29 on:** November 21, 2008, 01:36:34 PM »

I'm going to relate my REAL LIVE experience on this subject...

I've owned numerous 22 Win. Mags. over the years, i still do, and i've always liked the round... Way back in the 70's i bought two new 5mm mag's., a Rem. 591 and a 592. I also bought up numerous boxes of ammo for them and scoped them both.

At that time i was hired by a city to clean up some dog problems they were having. I needed the money, and it paid good, so i took the job... I was made animal control officer, and was told "off the record" to get rid of the problem dog packs "how ever i could"... It didn't take long to figure out that i'd need to shoot the dogs to get rid of them, so i did just it.

I tried a lot of different cartridges and rifles, including the 22 Win. Mag, and the 5mm Mag... There's NO question that the 5mm out performed the 22 Win. Mag... It would flatten bigger dogs "quicker", further away than the 22 Mag. would! It's sad that i had to shoot those dogs, but it had to be done, as many were starveing and were abondoned...

I fell in love with the tube feed model 5mm, and still have it to this day. It holds a lot of ammo, and i don't have to worry about loseing a magazine... I still have around 20 boxes of the old Rem. ammo around, and i'll probably buy some new ammo too...

I shot a lot of dogs with a 17 Rem. too, and it was good for longer shots than the rimfires could be used, but for the longest toughest shots i used my trusty .243 Win... I took out over 300 dogs before i had the problem under control, so i did get some experience with all of these rounds... Probably the best thing that happened to me from all of that was, i became a pretty decent running game shot, a running dog at 150 yards was in BIG trouble if i had my 243 in my hands, and i dropped them running further away than that more than a few times...

Compareing the 5mm to todays 22 Mag. ammo, things may be different, but back in the day, the 5mm just kicked the 22 mag's a$$...

DM