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Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« on: November 16, 2008, 07:26:40 PM »
  I think most hunters are like me in that they don't carry any provision for emergency shelter.  Fire and a knife is all I've ever carried and have always come back alive, but believe me I've suffered for it a few times. --  This new trick which I think is pretty much a virgin idea out of my one mind, can make a big difference in comfort for most hunters and could very likely save ones life.

  Just a 45 gallon yard and leaf garbage bag.  To make it fit your pocket, lay it out on a table, fold it lengthwise till it's width is something that will fit you pocket, then carefully start rolling it tightly as possible from the bottom. A helper can keep the folds held down so they don't skew out as you roll.  Secure the roll with a rubber band, and drop it in your hunting jacket pocket.

  Next time a sudden storm comes in and you aren't dressed for it. or you are exausted but the weather is too rough for you to set down and rest a few minutes, or if you find yourself lost in the dark with no fire or stack of wood or shelter.  Reach in your pocket, snap it open and slip it over your head.  It will drape down well below the buttocks on me, and I'm 5ft 11 in and weigh 200 pounds.  Instantly that much of your body is out of the wind rain and snow and you'll notice that you are breathing fairly warm air within seconds.  If you are really cold and especially if you must make do for the night, set on something low, with a good pad of insulating material to keep your butt from chilling.  If your bucking really cold weather, insulate under and over your feet too.  Use evergreen boughs, leaves, grass or whatever to get these parts insulated and protected.  The reason for setting on something low is so your knees will can be up inside the bag and protected from the elements also.  But every bit as important as being able to protect most of your body from the elements is the fact that the tiny but fairly roomy bag will catch the heat that would normally be wasted from your body, and let it rise to your upper body.  The bag is not an insulation.  Just a fair heat trap and weather shield.  But you'll be stunned at how effective it is if you try it.   
  If you're trying to shave up some tinder and kindling in a rain or snow storm, do it inside the bag, holding your pile in your lap till you have enough nice dry fuel to get a roaring blaze going quick.
  If you are numb with cold, and espeically to the point that your thinking is foggy, the bag will get you back on track in a few minutes.  If it's dark and you're dealing with a bit of fear.  Strike up your trusty Bic lighter till it begins to get hot.  The light and heat will cheer you a lot more than a weak campfire that the wind is blowing all the heat away from while you dance around and shiver! 
  If getting lost is really a concern or if you expect to spend the night out in your garbage bag hotel, carry a beeswax candle.  They are available from novelty shops and most health food stores, and their real benefit is that they emit almost no smoke.  You can hold it between your knees while making kindling, or in your hand while getting warmed up and keep it burning a lot longer than a butane lighter.
  A few words of caution.  (I've tested this out or I wouldn't be writing about it.)  -  Don't plan on laying down with the bag over your head and DON"T try to close it up at the bottom.  You MUST have fresh air coming in constantly, and especially if you have a lighter or candle burning.  Also, to be effective, your otherwise wasted body heat must rise up and be trapped in the bag, where you'll notice that breathing warm air will warm you as dramatically as panting cools a dog!
  In cold weather butane lighters won't put out enough fire to do a good job of lighting a camp fire.  To solve this problem, carry them in an inside shirt pocket where your coat insulates the warmest part of your body.  Or to get a cold one warmed enough to send out a good blaze, clamp it under your arm against the bare skin, and put the hand you'll be using to light it under there too if your fingers are too numb to operate it.
   I've been carrying butane lighters for about 30 years now, and have found that them to be the most dependale source of fire I have ever used.  The adjustable flame ones tend to leak out in my pocket if they tangle with keys or other things.  I guess that's the reason.    Also, I've found Bic to put out the most spark of any currently available around here.  If I don't have a flashlight, I often use just the spark to walk with when there is too little light to see where my feet are landing or see sticks coming at my eyes.  When using them as a firefly, with just the sparks for light, I hold them pointed almost straight down with my arm swinging freely at my side, so I can't see the sparks, and so the sparks are closer to the ground.  Experiment with it a bit and you'll know what I mean.   I think I'd be safe saying I've walked at least 100 miles with only lighter sparks to see by.  I strike it about every third step, and have always been able to see sticks before they slap me and holes and logs before I fall into or over them.  (It will drive anyone nuts who is walking with you and trying to see with the same light.)
  It would be a good idea for hunters to also carry an elctronic lighter in case of his spark lite on getting soaked.  Electronic lighters can be pulled out of water after a week of soaking and light instantly.  But you can't see with the spark they make.
  Before you start to pull the bag over your head, always take a good look around.  If you see lights from a cabin window or maybe a hotel off through the brush, you'll definately prefer either to the garbage sack!  And you have my written guarantee on that!

  While on this subject, I've been carrying the best and most dependable fire starter I've ever encountered for about 15 years.  In my wallet at all times.  Soak a kerosene lamp wick with melted beeswax, leaving just a little of one end almost dry.  This end should be wetted with wax and wrung out between cotton cloth sqeezed hard till the wax on the wick begins to solidify.  Then light it till it just begins to burn and snuff it out just as you see the wick material begin to turn brown.  Beeswax is  supple enough that it won't crack off when bent in a pocket or billfold, whereas parafine will make a fine lighter but must be protected from bending.  These will put out a flame about 4 inches tall and an inch in diameter for about 15 minutes, which is hot and big enough to light up small damp twigs quite quickly.  Split a small green twig lengthwise and wedge the wick into it when it gets short and you can burn the whole thing exactly under the spots in your pile of firewood which need some added heat.  I won't be without one in my pocket at all times, as I live in the wilderness where I'm probably as likely to need fire because of a stalled auto as when hunting.   


 
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2008, 01:33:25 AM »
The emergency blankets sold in the camping sections of well stocked stores weigh around 2 oz, and are 4.5'X almost 7' when unfolded. They are metalic coated to reflect body heat. Cut a hole in the center, and they make a pretty good poncho. I used a couple when I had to spend a night out in an Alaskan winter, 30 below. I had a fire so it was no big deal, but the blankets allowed me to stay dry even though there was snow everywhere.

 Good tip on the lighters. I carry them because the quality of stick matches is pretty rotten anymore. I haven't played with them enough to know good ones from bad, and would have never thought of useing them as a flashlight.

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2008, 10:25:13 PM »
Another good sack is the one's used to clean up alongside highways. Very Heavy duty, and usually bright colored. I would think if a guy spots a crew cleaning up, and asks for a bag to use to clean up on an old back road, they would be likely to give you one or two.
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2008, 03:15:53 AM »
I've been carrying large size garbage bags with me for at least 15 years or more when I go to the woods. I carry more than one and have used them for a variety of uses over the years.


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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2008, 01:55:13 PM »
I managed to get a small quantity of the emergency blankets at a surplus auction, they had expired...that was 12 years ago so I opened one up and it was soft and usable so I placed another in my pack for hunting.  I usually keep 2 so if one is bad, the other is probably good.  I used one 4 years ago to drag a deer out of the woods after a long drag with alot of resistance.  It held up quite well.  These are USAF pilot emergency blankets and are quilted.

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 02:04:46 PM »
I have used the space blankets to build a couple shelters.  One is in my hunting coat and a second is in my back pack.
I also keep two sets of military boot laces in my coat as well.
To built a shelter I picked up a few small rocks the size of golf balls and put them in the corners of the blanket and tied a slip knott in the boot laces and over the rock around the blanket.  That way I did not hove to poke holes in the blanket.  Tied two sides to trees high and two low with the reflective side inside and cut pine for the bottom of the lean to used the second to keep warm and built a reflective fire in front of the lean to.
Worked great till the snow storm was over and back to hunting I went.  With every thing floded back up and in my game bag.

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 02:07:55 PM »
There are two versions of these metalic faced blankets. One is as blhof used a quilted triple layer thing that folds up about a foot square and an inch or two thick. They are nice, but too big really for small kits. There is another that folds up to about 2"x3" and 1/2 inch thick. This is the kind I wrote about. I carry a couple in my fanny pack I carry while hunting, they take very little room and weigh almost nothing.

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2008, 05:09:33 PM »
  Delightful comments and experiances.  However I have a real problem with the emergency reflective blankets and that is that they are open and cannot be sealed up to hold heat in like a tough bag does.  They are useful for setting around a fire or erecting a temporary shelter, in which case they reflect heat from the fire back, and possibly for sleeping while laying down, if one can figgure out a way to close it up into a 'sleeping bag'.  Also if using one to keep warm in a stalled auto, especially the quilted type where the bulk isn't a problem, they can work very well, because there is no wind, or even breeze to contend with.  However, I find it impossible to hold one closed tightly enough to contain my body temperature, let alone my warm breath.  I hate sleeping bags which zip up so nicely all the way around but are stiff and windy around the face, neck and shoulders, allowing so much air circulation that real comfort is impossible.  So I sew a flannel skirt around the upper edge so it lays around my face and neck and excludes air movement.

  The bag over the head and down, just flat closes out all wind and weather instantly. If one could find a way to make an air/water tight bag out of the space blankets it would be really nice. -- When I started hunting, plastic hadn't been invented, then, after it was, it took many years before real large tough bags were manfactured.  These could have saved me many miserable trecks back home through blizzards and heavy rains when I was so cold I didn't dare sit down and rest a few minutes, or I would have never gotten up. 

  Probably many would wonder how one could sleep in a sitting position as I recommended.  -- Spread the feet fairly wide, pull your knees up close to the body,  lay your arms on your knees and your head on your arms.  It isn't nice a laying on a soft warm bed, but it will work where there is no place to lay down.  You probably won't fall over but if you do, but getting stiff is a problem.  Just stand up and do a little in place jogging, which will move your blood and cause your whole body to warm up.

  Survivalists first recommendation for people who are  lost or in a tight is that they relax, pull their mind together and think things out rationally.  If possible get a fire going, which will help warm them up and do things for them mentally.--  When really cold, one can't think rationally.  Sitting down in a garbage bag closes the world and ones instant troubles out, the most serious and immediate trouble normally being cold.  Now here is a little thing which makes me almost feel like a nut.  When inside a bag, when it is really dark out, and especially if it is raining or snowing, that little tiny flame from a lighter or candle glowing a foot or so from my face, I get the same effect as setting in front of a GOOD SIZED ROARING CAMP FIRE!  There is instant warmth, and the light seems to drive back the elements instantly.  Go out in your yard on a nasty cold night and try it.  You'll be pleasantly amazed.

  A few more insights about the Bic lighters. -  When I first started carrying butane lighters I had Cricket brand, which had a very open area around the fire, which allowed the shower of sparks to fly out and light up the world.  They aren't available anymore, at least around here.  All the lighters that are have a very closly shrouded cover around the gas jet and spark wheel.  The reason I use Bic is that the metal shroud can be easily snapped off, by just springing the back edges out.  Then cut out all the metal possible from the top.  I in fact grind the shroud until it is only a straight sided ring around the fire.  This removes the child proof gadget, which perfectly prevents one from striking up a light with his fingers are numb with cold.  So I grab the exposed end with pliers and jerk it out.  The lighter works as reliably as ever, but lights easier, and the shower of sparks does probably two to three times as good a job of lighting up your surroundings.  -- Experiment with this a bit.  If you ruin a couple experimenting with it, they are only a buck or so each, and with inflation that's only about a dime!
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2008, 06:43:51 PM »
I know what you mean about closing the top of a sleeping bag. The Army had what they called a casualty bag. It is a nice heavy down bag, but the nice thing about it is that it zips up in such a way that the top closes over your shoulders and only leaves a slot with a fur fringe for your face. This is the only bag I have never been cold in. The Alaska National Guard does its annual training in the middle of winter. They issued casualty bags when I was a member, and we could sleep outside in 30 or 40 below without getting cold.

 I never tried to close myself in to the emergency blankets. When I had to use mine I pretty much did as you said. I made a lean to with one, and spread the other for a floor. With a long fire in front I never really got cold that night, I was dressed well anyhow.

A garbage bag may have served me better when I was working in the Nebr sandhills. That place kind of scared me more than Alaska, because there were places out there where there weren't any trees for a fire, nor any deep snow for a cave. I always kept pretty good survival kits in our vehicles, and since the pickup carried them would have been more like a camp than a survival situation.

I;m going to modify a bic tomorrow. They do frustrate me trying to light them. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2008, 07:08:34 AM »
Bill,
I keep a few of the fuel tabs from a floding stove in a zip loc bag with a bunch of strike anywhere matches in the pack.
They sell the fuel tabs with out the folding stove but you get a match to the fuel cell and it burns and you can toss wet kindeling on to and you will have a fire in a few minutes.  The folding stove also works well to heat up cans of soup, ravoli, chilli... and for the hard core survival people Dog food.  I had a off road writter that liven next door to me in college that said not to keep soup and crackers in the car for survival but dog food as you will only eat it if you needed it and it would not be broken out at a tailgate party or picnic.

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2008, 12:36:36 PM »
Does anyone know where I can get those extra large ORANGE garbage sacks?
I'd like to pass one out to each student in my Hunter Ed class.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 05:55:12 AM »
As an alternative to fuel sticks or any purchased fire starter, I make my own version using Celotex fiber board soaked with parafin.  I use the version that does not have the "tar" coating on one side.  It comes in 4x8 sheets and is 1/2" thick.  It feels and looks like compressed paper fibers.  You can find scrap pieces at your local lumber yard or at a friends building site that cost nothing.  I cut 4" long x 1/2" wide pieces and soak them in melted parafin for 15-20 seconds, then lay them on newspaper to cool.  The sticks are durable so you can carry them in a shirt pocket or pouch, etc.  The are totally waterproof and lightweight and never lose their effectiveness.  You can soak them in water for hours and they will still burn.  I made several hundred in one setting, enough to last a lifetime.  A 3/4" long piece will burn for 7 minutes and has a flame much larger than a candle.  You can also shave small pieces for kindling and use a metal match to light them, which is a really waterproof combination.  I keep an empty bullet box full of them in my vehicles and camping gear and and several pieces in a fire starter kit in my hunting day pack.  They would be very useful as a mini fire inside the garbage bag shelter and would help preserve the lighter fuel.

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 01:26:47 PM »
Does anyone know where I can get those extra large ORANGE garbage sacks?
I'd like to pass one out to each student in my Hunter Ed class.
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I don't know, but maybe call your state Dept of Transportation ( they probably oversee the highway cleanup crews ), they should know. If you find a source, could you post it here,please.
Thanks,
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2008, 07:02:51 AM »
Levernut,
In boy scouts we used to make something similar with rolled up newspaper, wax and string.  I found it easier and cheaper to carry some of the trick birthday candles.  The kind you can not blow out.  If you can not blow them out neither can the wind. Also candle stubs work real well too.  built a Tee Pee of kindeling with it at the base and light it.  It will dry and ignite the kindeling.  I still like the fuel tabs for ease and all you have to do is touch a flame to them to get them to catch.  Not so with the wax stuff.  You can also stack a few tabs on each other to get bigger flame to dry out wood.  They are cheap, about $5 for 24 tabs, and they are compact.  You can even crush them with the flat of a knife to spread around in the kindeling to get it to burn better with wet wood.

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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2008, 06:21:16 PM »
  Regarding fuel tabs.  They are certainly excellent and make ONE fire fast.  Which is why I like the waxed wick.  It is good for 20 or 30 normal fires, or maybe 2 or 3 with wet wood which most fuel tabs wouldn't last long enough to ignite.  Best of all, it is with me at all times, even in hot weather, while fanning myself to keep cool in church!  Forgetting to take a fire starter is the biggest concern for all of us, and it gets worse with age!  Ah, I do mean maturity!

  Several are talking about getting the orange highway trash bags.  They don't look nearly as big as the 45 gallon leaf bags, and big is the key to being comfortable.  Big and absolutely waterproof and air tight, with a roomy open bottom to let enough air in to breath.   The 45 gallon bag I'm speaking of through out this post are 39 inches wide and 44 inches high when laid out flat.  Any smaller and few people would be comfortable in it.  I don't think I mentioned that the best candles for heat are beeswax, which give off no oder when they burn.  They are available in health food stores and other places.  Take one that's about 6 inches long and it should last a long cold night, as it cannot be burned while sleeping.  Just light it when you wake up chilled and when warmed, douse the fire.  Be sure to get solid wax candles, not the decorative rolled honey comb foundation type, as they have less wax content.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2008, 06:49:48 PM »
  We had the first cold weather of the year here this morning, with 20 deg F at daylight. 

  Because interest in this post has been so high, I decided to give the bag an acid test.  I went out dressed fairly light, as my day was planned for carpenter work in the shade on the north side of a building.  So I was dressed like I often hunt, when close to home and in this sort of temperature.  A Carhart work jacket over a sweat shirt, over a tee shirt.  Blue jeans and light long johns on the lower half.  Cloths I could not stand around in, but adaquate for steady walking and for the work planned.  I sat down in the shade behind my shop where there was a good breeze to get a good test against chill.  With a beeswax candle as I spoke of above. 
  I sat on a block of firewood, which let the sack cover everything down to my boots.  There was no feeling of chill at all, and I'm sure I could have sat there all day or spent a night at much cooler temps with no form of heat at all.  But after a while I lit the candle.  Like the Bic, it's fire gives off no smoke smell.  But while the Bic can only be burned for about 30 seconds before getting hot, the 6 inch candle I had could be burned steady for about 8 hours if one wanted to, and it's flame made my little tent toasty warm.  If you burn a candle (or lighter) in a plastic sack, be sure to keep its flame well away from the plastic or you'll have a hole in seconds.  Also keep the flame up fairly high for best warming effect around the head, and of the air being breathed.  If you want to shave up some kindling, clamp the candle between you knees and you'll have both hands free.  Don't let yourself go to sleep with the candle lit.  When you are warmed and want to sleep, or just want the candle out, blow it out and immediately tip it upside down.  This will make wax soak the wick and instantly snuff the smoking that's normal when a candle is just blown out.  It also empties the little pocket of melted wax, which leaves a longer and very wet wick for the next time you want to light it.  A faster large flame in other words.  If you have been shaving fire tinder dump the little puddle of wax on the tinder, or better yet, let the cangle burn sideways for a while a melt a lot of wax over your fire starter.  It will really get a fire going quick when the wax goes with the wood shavings.
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2008, 04:32:51 PM »
  I gave the bag a real acid test tonight.  Same clothes on top as yesterday morning, but Carhart insulated pants this time, so I was warm on the bottom half.  But today after working all day I was exausted and soaked with sweat, which caused be to chill fast as I was picking up my tools a while after dark.  Since this is a real common problem for hunters I thought it wise to see if the bag would remedy the problem of generating too little heat due to exaustion, and the problem of chilling due to being sweat soaked,  with cotton clothing, the worst possible.   It worked great, with the chill subsiding within a couple of minutes.  I only stood outside with the bag over me down to about crotch level, which was fine with the warm pants, and the sweat problem was only with my upper body.

  I failed to mention yesterday, when I said I sat on a block of firewood.  This is too high a seat for best warmth, though it is most comfortable if maximum warmth isn't needed.  When max warmth is needed, set low so the knees are pulled up inside the bag and only the lower part of your boots are exposed.  This both minimizes heat loss, and maximizes the amount of heat trapped inside the bag.

  Please make it clear in your mind, that a smaller bag than I'm recommending and you aren't trying what I'm talking about and will hate it.  With a warm coat on, one needs this much room to be able to move a little.

  One more tip about conserving heat, even if you don't have a plastic bag.  Pull your arms out of the sleeves so they are next to your body and zip your coat up far as possible, holding both arms wrapped around your body.  I have done this quite a few times before I learned about the bag trick, pulling the coat collor up and hunching my head/neck down much as possible.  The heat lost from your arms out the coat sleeves is incredible, and saving it makes a huge difference in how warm you stay.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2008, 06:48:30 PM »
  Winter hit north Idaho last night, so today, after I went out to get the mail and came back to the shop chilled to the bone after only a 300 yard walk, I decided to give you one more report of how a bag works in cold weather.
  Temperature was 12 deg F, wind approx 20 mph with a cloud of powder snow coming off the trees.  I was dressed light for working in the shop by the fire.  So when I walked into the shop with my bare hands stinging from the cold and chilled fairly well all over, I grabbed the garbage bag and went back outside immediately.
  This time I sat on something about 6 inches high so my knees would fold up into  somewhat of a fetal position, with the bag draped down halfway on my insulated rubber chore boots that I wear in the shop and around the buildings, feeding horses etc all winter.  Within probably no more than a minute my hands felt comfortable and all the chill left my body.  I sat there for 5 to 10 minutes in complete comfort, though the wind whistled around me and I used no heat like the lighter or candle.  Just before I took the bag off I lit the lighter to see how it felt, at 20 deg colder than I had tested it before.  The bag absorbed most of it because I was leaning back and the heat raised up to the bag.  Previously I had leaned forward enough that the heat hit my forhead, and that worked fine today when I leaned forward to try it.

  Before you go out trusting a garbage bag, try it on with the clothes you'll be wearing.  It was a snug fit around my knees with my winter jacket on, this with a 43 gallon leaf bag.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 09:34:57 AM »
I got hold of one and tried it, and you sir are 100% correct. The great advantage I can see is how quickly you warm up in them. A guy traveling cross country who gets chilled could set down and get rested and instead of getting cold, actually warm up. One or two of these babys is going in all of the various survival kits I have stashed here and there.

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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2008, 07:02:13 PM »
  Thank you. 
  Two days ago I tried it again as temperature when I went out to feed the horses was -6 F.  I was wearing light clothes which would barely be adaquate for working, not setting, in temperatures no colder than 40 deg, so I was chilled by time I walked the 200 yards to the horse barn, threw down a couple bales and fed them.  I pulled the bag over my head and immediately felt warm.  I sat there for probably 10 minutes getting warmer all the time.

  That's the last test I'll post on it until I maybe get in a bind which makes a story worth reading.  It's the best hunter thing I've ever discovered!  I forgot one important item.  I WAS wearing my Stormy Kromer Rancer hat with this last test.  It is the best, warmest, most comfortable, cold weather hat I've ever worn.  An early Christmas present from my fair lady of 48 years!
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2008, 05:54:19 AM »
Grocery stores use the large trash bags for their outside trash cans. The large size would be a good option. Another trick to keeping warm is to put on an extra hat. I always keep an extra hat in my pack.

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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2008, 11:36:24 AM »
Big, orange "pumpkin" leaf bags like you see in the fall??
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2008, 06:01:19 PM »
  Big enough to hold YOU comfortably with a little room to move around.  A child would better served with a standard household large size trash bag.  I've tried what is called leaf bags, and contractor cleanup bags, both 40 plus gallon.
  We're having 0 and lower pretty regular here right now, which makes me real happy I came up with this idea.  Like last week when it took us 5 hours to drive 100 miles home in a snowstorm, with the roads almost littered with cars in the ditch.  Nobody was driving fast so we saw no injuries, but if one goes over a bank out of sight and is pinned in his rig, a bag would make life a little more likely to go on another day!  We've always carried a sleeping bag in our car and SUV in winter, and in the PU a couple of plastic tarps, a couple extra warm coats, as there is no room for a sleeping bag.
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2008, 04:51:04 AM »
I like to keep insulated coveralls in my vehicles in the winter.

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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2008, 06:17:09 PM »
  So do I in case I have to walk, and can, or work on the rig.  But if stranded, and perhaps injured, of if family is left in the auto while you are going for help, nothing beats a sleeping bag pulled over everyone at once, with all dressed warm as possible with the clothes available.

  I saw a young lad a few days ago, 4 below 0, runnning around in a tee shirt, tagging his girl friend dressed as lightly.  They are tougher than grownups you know, but only in their own mind.  They are funeral bait with the least misshap.  Many hunters go out too lightly dressed, which is the case with most hypothermia victims.  If one is wearing jeans, a tee shirt and no hat, a plastic sack isn't going to pull you through freezing weather.
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2008, 01:32:54 AM »
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2008, 07:07:05 AM »
Big, orange "pumpkin" leaf bags like you see in the fall??

how  about the  ones  with  the jackolantern  face  too
with  the  lighter  inside...you  asking  to get  shot....but  it  may  also  signal  for  help  if  lost

i  have  had  to continue  working  in  the rain  and  made  rain coats  out  of trash bags

any  danger  from  lack  of  oxygen?
is   a small  hole adviseable?....or  get  enough  air  from below?
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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2008, 08:23:54 AM »
Cablas carries a sleeping bag version of the spac blanket to answer the question of how to seal this for warmth.

I have spent many nights camping in January in the Catskills, NY where mountain temps are well below 0. These light bags make great sleeping bag liners and help as a vapor barrier to keep the bag insulation from getting wet from excessive persperation. I would carry a blanket for shelter lining as well and they are good for use as a signal mirror.

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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2008, 12:02:09 PM »
Never thought of using a space blanket for a signal mirror

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Re: Instant 2 oz emergency shelter in your pocket.
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2008, 05:13:34 PM »
  The space blanket sleeping bag cover from Cabellas REALLY sounds like a good shelter!  If it is a sealed bag long enough to get cover when setting.  I wouldn't advise using one over the head without cutting it off, it is the length of a standard sleeping bag, as getting enough air to breath is very important.  When the bag will just cover one down close to the ankles the opening will allow plenty of air for easy breathing, and in fact give a fresh breezy amount of air, yet not enough to cause chilling, in temps down to -6 deg F, as I reported earlier.
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