vains

[cridertj]

I was wondering what the different in the quick spin vain are for fixed broad heads I see they have duravanes, quick spin, and blazers I am not sure what to try I am new at this but was looking at the heat shrink kind I know they coast more but I really only shoot when hunting and will not need to do it much I  will also be using the whisker bisket rest

[huntswithdogs]

I was told, at a proshop, not to use quikspins with the biscuit. Stick to regular vanes or the blazers. I've come to like the blazers, but my bow seems to like either.

HWD

[cridertj]

is there any differnts in the reg and blazer? will the shorter blazers be ok with broad heads

[huntswithdogs]

The Blazer style work well with my Rage expandables. I was playing with some 3 blade style 125gr that didn't do so well with the blazers. The long regular vanes worked just fine with them.


HWD

[catfishfiend]

i fletch my arrows with the 2" blazers.  i use 3 blade muzzy broadheads, with great results.  try a few kinds out to see what your bow likes.  some don't shoot this setup well.

[Cottonwood]

With using a WB rest, I would use Blazer vanes myself.

[csd4682]

i fletch my arrows with the 2" blazers.  i use 3 blade muzzy broadheads, with great results.  try a few kinds out to see what your bow likes.  some don't shoot this setup well.

I too use this setup and they shoot great. For anyone making this change be sure to resight your bow, I didnt, and when I switched from the 4" to the 2" veins my bow shot so much faster that I was 5 inches high at 30 yrds and ended up grazing a does back this past season.

[Cottonwood]

i fletch my arrows with the 2" blazers.  i use 3 blade muzzy broadheads, with great results.  try a few kinds out to see what your bow likes.  some don't shoot this setup well.

I too use this setup and they shoot great. For anyone making this change be sure to resight your bow, I didnt, and when I switched from the 4" to the 2" veins my bow shot so much faster that I was 5 inches high at 30 yrds and ended up grazing a does back this past season.

Just going from a 4" vane to a 2" Blazer should not increase your FPS on an arrow, other factors can attribute to this.  Weight change ie going from a heavier broadhead to a lighter one.  Arrow shaft weight changes can cause a faster FPS in your arrow speed and cause either higher or lower flight as a result.  Just this past week I tried a friends Carbon Express Maxima 3D Selects, his arrows weight is 365 gr with his 85-gr target tip, I shoot Easton Axis FMJ 340's with a 125-gr target tip and my arrows weigh in at 487.7 gr.  When I shot his arrows, at 20 and 30 yards I was dead center but 7 inches high, and when I shot mine I was dead center X at those yardages.

I have found that some bowhunters did not practice with the same weight field tip, as the grain weight of their broadheads to be another problem.  Not practicing with a practice broadhead will almost in every case cause your arrow to fly differantly than intended.

My own brother in law went from shooting K-Mart specials (Black Aluminum Shaft) to Carbon Express 4560's from the bulk section at Wal-Mart and did not practice with them, and then wondered why he could not accurately hit what he was shooting at.  He had failed to re-sight his bow, and worse of all, he had failed to dedicate his time in practicing with his bow.

Another reason for hitting an animal high on the shot is because when in a stand, your body position was incorrect when shooting.  If you were not bent at the waist when taking the shot your could have hit higher because of this ie scaping the does back for instance.  Shooting down hill will cause you to hit high on your target, again if your not bent at the waist, you will hit high.

Another reason could be just miss judging yardage, and not putting enough practice in your archery.  Many bowhunters don't put in alot of practice for the hunt.  They hit the range maybe a couple of weeks prior to bowhunting season, and call it good.  This results in poorly placed arrows into the game they are hunting and or total misses all together.

[csd4682]

Thanks for that long explanation. I can promise you one thing it is not, is lack of practice. During hunting season, everyday after work I shoot about 30 times, or untill my arms cannot take any more. Not only do I shoot that much everyday, I shoot from different heights and distances to know how my bow shoots. You are right in one aspect, I was in a hurry and did not shoot that day I put the veins on, I put them on and went to the woods. The last thing I want is to wound a deer.

[Cottonwood]

csd4682 here is something I ran across on vanes I thought I would pass on here:

There was a recent thread about Blazer vanes in which it was claimed Blazer vanes had as much as 10" less drop at 50 yards than other vanes. This ran contrary to my limited testing with Blazer vanes against other vanes. In the testing I had done, The Blazer vane actually had about the same or slightly more speed loss at 40 yds than the 4" helical vanes that were tested. Results were obtained by shooting a five arrow average through a chronograph at 0, 20, 40, and 60 yds.


So I figured it was time to do another test, The Blazer Shoot Off, against other vane types ... and because I had burned 'Blazer-like' feathers in the late 50s and early-60s, I chose to compare the Blazer vane against a Blazer-Cut Feather. Here are the details and results of the test:

Bow: Browning Maxim 6T6
Sight: Sure-Loc Supreme, Black Eagle 42mm .5 diopter w/ .019 fiber pin
Rest: Browning Overdraw w/ spring steel blade launcher
Stabilizer: B-Stinger Pro 12" 17oz
Release: Carter Insatiable 2



Arrow: Gold Tip Ultralite Pro 500 w/ 80 grain glue-in nibb point, GT pin nock:


Vanes/fletch/total arrow weight/speed:
1. Easton Diamond 280, helical fletch - 285 grains/271 fps
2. Bohning 2" Blazer, 2-degree offset - 283 grains/272 fps
3. 2" 'Blazer-Cut' RW Feather, 2-degree offset - 272 grains/275 fps
4. 2" front portion of 4" RW Feather trimmed 60-degrees on back end, 2-degree offset - 271 grains/276 fps

Cross-Wind: S 3 mph

Test Purpose:
a. To determine relative to Blazer vane the downrange arrow drop at 50 yds.
b. To examine 50 yd accuracy.

Test Method: Sight in at 50 yds with Blazer vane. Shoot 5 groups, counting only well aimed and executed shots, and measure vertical distance and horizontal distance from target center for each vane configured shaft.

Test Criteria:
1. The shaft with least average drop will be judged the best.
2. Measure vertical and horizontal miss distance for each vane configuration and compute the averages. Above and right of target center will be positive; below and left of target center will be negative. The Average Vertical and Horizontal Spread will be converted to group size. The smallest group size will be ranked best with larger group sizes ranked in descending order.

The bow was first sighted in at 50 yds, only using the Blazer vane, the sight was not moved once testing began. Each shaft was shot through a chronograph to determine initial arrow speed. Then five groups were shot with the following results:



. . . .

Conclusions:
A. The Blazer vane averaged 1/2" higher POI than the other vanes at 50 yds. Blazer vanes had no significant improvement in arrow trajectory over the other vanes tested.
B. The best group was obtained with the Blazer-Cut Feather, followed by The Blazer, then the Easton Diamond 280 helical, then the Low Profile 2" feather. The difference in the group sizes was so small, there was no significant difference in accuracy since all were within the X-ring standards of a NFAA 50yd  Field target.
C. All vanes shot an average 2" circular group or better.
Note: The NFAA 50yd 5-ring is slightly smaller than 4" and the X-ring is slightly smaller than 2".
D. The claim that Blazer vanes drop 10" less at 50 yds than other vanes is not born out in testing.

I already tested the QS Speed Hunter for 1-3/16" Broadhead group at 40 yds, and then to show the QS Speed Hunter WITH a broadhead had the same POI as a Blazer WITH a FP, I shot this target (no extra holes)


If the drop is the same at 40 yds even with the extra drag of a broadhead on the QS , no one is going to successfully convince me that suddenly in the next 10 yards there is going to be a huge speed loss by the QS vanes without putting up their own pics and chrono readings  :^O  :^O  :^O

I found some QS Speed Hunters that I had packaged to mail to a forum member, but he never got back to me ... so I fletched up a shaft and shot it in the test. I think with a heavier shaft, the QS are less likely to over rotate and create high drag. On a light shaft like the one tested (285 gr), the QS is more rotation than required/desired.
Here are the results:



. . . .

Conclusion:
A. The QS have about 2" more drop at 50 yds than the Blazer. Blazer 283 gr; QS 285 gr total arrow weights
B. The Blazer-Cut Feather had the best group, followed by the Blazer, then the QS speed hunter, then the Easton Diamond 280 helical, then the low profile feather.
C. The claim that the QS Speed Hunter has 10" drop below the Blazer POI is not born out in testing.