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Offline Kyle Hawkins

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Black powder for a dummy?
« on: November 21, 2008, 02:55:05 PM »
Hello,

     Well i have my T/C omega ss with reg camo stock. and i have only used 777 thus far into the 3 yrs of owning my gun. i dont know o so much about black powders and i need to learn before our gun season comes up here in ohio.

so far i understand that there are 2 different types fg and ffg? but i have no clue what this means, is it somehting to do with the powders power?

and also what powder have you guys found to be that best, ive heard that 777 isnt even the best? it ages or something like that?
and also what type of powder is better regular loose powder or pellets.

any and all imformation will be greatly appreciated,

thank you,
Kyle Hawkins

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Re: Black powder for a dummy?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2008, 03:38:22 PM »
The Fs are the granulation size.  The smaller the number the larger the granulation.  You need 2f or 3f.  I prefer 3f.

Forget pellets, loose is way better.

777 is pretty good and not so dirty
Pyrodex RS is pretty good and dirty
FFF Goex is excellent but requires cleaning right after you shoot
Blackhorn 209 is very clean but harder to ignite
Shockeys Gold is the pits

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Re: Black powder for a dummy?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2008, 04:47:05 PM »
This is a rather complex subject but to try to make it as simple as possible with the least conversation here goes: Real Black Powder is a combination of sulfur, potassium nitrate, and charcoal and the granulations as stated are the ff markings. Real black powder is probably the oldest and most reliable of all the powders but also nearly the most dirty and very corrosive if not cleaned very soon after shooting. Pyrodex was one of the first "substitute" from here on referred to as "Sub" powders. It is also nearly as dirty and corrosive as real black but can be handled and sold like smokeless powder and does not require the special handling real black powder needs. Then came some of the ascorbic acid "sub" powders which some worked and some did not (these are Black Mag'3, American Pioneer, Shockeys Gold, Pinnacle and some others). Then Tripple Seven came around and it is similar to the ascorbic acid powders and somewhat similar to Pyrodex but a little cleaner than Pyrodex but can make a bad crud ring just forward of the powder charge area in some rifles. Most of the subs are more subject to deterioration with age than real black powder. Most of them are also subject to gathering moisture which affects the power with age. Real black is the easiest to ignite and the subs range in that area. One of the newest powders is Blackhorn 209 which is for all practical reasons the closest thing to smokeless powder that can still be used in a muzzleloader. This new sub is very difficult to ignite and many rifles will not shoot it without either hangfires (late ignition) or no ignition at all. It is probably the cleanest of all the muzzleloading powders but not easy to use due to the high ignition temperature. My recommendation is to either stay with Pyrodex (which has been reliable for many years) make sure to clean the rifle well after shooting, or go with Tripple Seven if your rifle will handle it as it also has become known as being reliable and repeatable in many rifles. You need either ffg or fffg granulations. Primers are another subject altogether and I think this is enough for now.

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Re: Black powder for a dummy?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2008, 08:19:07 AM »
thany you soo much,

and is the loose really better than pellets?
and if i have an omega will the blackhorn209 b ok since i have a sealed breack?

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Re: Black powder for a dummy?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2008, 03:22:13 PM »
Loose has a couple of advantages to pellets. It allows more fine tuning of the charge since you are not limited to the size of the pellets. If you want 43grains you can have it. With pellets you can have 30,50 and combinations of that only. Loose is a lot less expensive for the same charge. Pellets are a little more user friendly as you do not have to measure and find something to put the charge in for use in the field. Personally I prefer loose as I can find small plastic bottles that hold powder in measured amounts for carrying and I just dump them in the muzzle when I need to. Pellets have to be inserted right side up also and loose does not care. I can load loose in the dark. Your Omega should do just fine with BH209 from what I have been reading. Just make sure you check the breechplug and make sure it is not getting fouled by the powder residue as that seems to be a characteristic of BH209.