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Destruction of beaver dam on private property
« on: November 22, 2008, 02:15:20 AM »
 I trap beaver for a local farmer here in McHenry County, IL. About two weeks ago, my daughter and I had put a few sets around some slides near a beaver dam. I went back the next morning to check them and nothing yet. The day after that, I had gone back to check my traps and seen that someone had dug out a huge section of the dam and the water had dropped near 4 foot and left my traps exposed.
 I went up to the barn yard where I knew the land owner and his farm hands were. I had asked them if they had dug out one of the dams where I had my traps set at. None of them knew nothing about it. He also has duck hunters hunting a small flooded corn field in that same area and they too are out of business. I went back to that area with the land owner and carefully scouted out the scene. After taking a closer look, I realized that who ever had done this damage had not come in by truck and there were foot prints leading to the railroad tracks just yards away from the dam. I told the land owner that since we dont know who did this, I'll place a call to the DNR officer in the area who I know personally through the hunting & trapping safety classes I teach.
 Tim came out right away and seen the same things I seen. We both stood at the scene of the crime scratching our heads and left wondering why someone would do this. We got a hold of the duck hunters to see if they pissed off any of their hunting buddies. Both of them stated that nobody except the farmer knew they were hunting that area as the same goes for me and my traps. Tim & I had set up trail cameras at several locations and so far all that we had seen in the photos were deer, coons, and coyotes but no humans.
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Re: Destruction of beaver dam on private property
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2008, 06:24:11 AM »
 Sounds like some poachers want to deer hunt the bottoms(or kids small game). Be careful with the trail cam, I assume it has a flash. They will steal it to avoid getting caught. Turn the flash off and hide it well if you try to catch them. Take a little stroll up the tracks, odds are you'll find a house near by and be able to figure out what they are up to by watching them when you are running your traps.
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Re: Destruction of beaver dam on private property
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 01:55:08 AM »
As confounded as we are by the nusiance of poachers and tresspassers, it is no less confounding, and time demanding on LEO to attempt to catch someone in the act.  Our "absentee" scouting with Trail Cameras is a good start, and in particular very good evidence, but being there and actually seeing someone when the act is perpetrated, while great for your own knowledge is insufficient to prevail at court.  If the LEO didn't see it happen, then it is just another "He said - She said" argument.  Video evidence and still camera pictures are irrefutable at court. 

I am not sure that I have the fortitude to sit still and video or photograph someone tearing up my place just so I can Hammer Them later in court.  I don't want their damage in the first place, much less sit there to witness the act and later explain to the Judge why I didn't do anything to help myself as they trashed the place - except possibly call LEO - as we are instructed to do vs. shoot the scum bags and ask questions later.  My blood would boil and I would confront them in the act.  Then the situation would escalate FAST.

Crappy situation you have there to be sure.  Potentially PITA or animal rights scum bags.

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2008, 08:25:57 AM »
If you do decide to "take on" the scum...

#1). Get in front of them. Defending property is next to impossible to justify. You will be found WRONG. Now if they are coming at you, especially if there is more than one, and you shoot them in the front... "self defense..." Tell the cops/LE from the first how scared you were and how you had to protect yourself... forget the righteous indignation... cower... whimper, whine... it will all be reported... and start looking for a GREAT criminal lawyer now. One that represents all the dirt bags and gets them much reduced sentences... In most jurisdictions you will need him/her... and better be ready to PAY ...

#2). Audie Murphy probably killed more white people legally in the 20th century than any other man. It was called WW II and he got ever medal available in the European Theater including the Congressional... He spent the rest of his life sleeping with a gun under his pillow and lost 3 wives... they got tired of being pistol whipped in his nightmares... You hurt someone and you will pay, right or wrong...  luck

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Re: Destruction of beaver dam on private property
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2008, 12:34:36 PM »
It takes a lot of work to break a beaver dam. I would be looking at someone downstream who will somehow be better off with the new water, or maybe some other landowner who is being flooded by that dam. It won't take the beavers long to fix it, in fact if I wasn't concerned about the dam being fixed I would be trapping at the break. If I wanted to see the dam fixed I would pull out for the rest of the season.

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Re: Destruction of beaver dam on private property
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2008, 05:13:48 PM »
I'm not sure of the law there; but in Wisconsin, if a beaver dam is causing damage/flooding on a neighboring property, that land owner has the right to go onto the nieghbors property and remove the dam. I beleive he can even have the person who's land the dam is on pay his expenses to remove it. 
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Re: Destruction of beaver dam on private property
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 09:38:56 PM »
...partimer I am not doubting you, but that last part about a neighbor back charging the land owner for the removal of a naturally occuring Beaver dam is just dam wrong. 

Not unlike the writing of the old boy land owner in the widely circulated letter to his State DNR (http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.asp), if they want to charge someone or require a permit for such things, then they better find the dam builders and make their dam demands of them.

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Re: Destruction of beaver dam on private property
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 03:48:04 PM »
I agree it all kinds of wrong.  I found out about it when beavers started building on my proprty this summer and I was looking at the dnr website to see what all was legal for me to do to get rid of the @#$%&%^*!!! pests.  I tore out the dam 4 times before they stopped rebuilding it, but they are still living there and killing trees. I gave up several bowhunts to remove a dam and then sit and watch the water with a .30-30. nevr did kill one, but maybe come spring I'll have more time to set a few traps. man can they decimate a forest.
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