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What does a 17HMR work for?
« on: November 22, 2008, 04:25:52 PM »
Any real case uses for hunting and I love to take it to the range with my bigger guns and shoot it when I wait for them to cool.  Interested  Buckfever

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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2008, 07:42:07 PM »
 I know a few guys using them for Bob Cats , Red foxes and Coyotes up close .
 I have two Marlin .17 HMR s , one blue and one SS .  Shooting 17 grain , cant  find any 20grain  here in town .




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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 03:14:45 AM »
Reading on another forum, you find people saying you can use it on coyote sized critters at well over 100 yards. I'm sure it will kill a coyote under certain conditions instantly. I'm sure it will let a lot of them run off to a lingering death under other conditions. In my personal experience, I wouldn't shoot anything larger than a jackrabbit with it. I believe if you are going to kill an animal it deserves a sudden, clean death. I don't think you can depend on it to do this consistently on anything larger than a jackrabbit unless it is really close.

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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 04:48:11 AM »
It makes a fine squirrel rifle.
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 04:55:51 AM »
victorcharlie, do not forget it makes a great long range rabbit gun. I love to use mine for jack rabbits out to about 200 yards when the critter think they got away.

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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 05:55:19 AM »
I got my first one for chucks, and did not like its performance on them.  I want a clean, quick kill on any game ( I am like oldandslow in so many ways), and it wasn't happening at the range I needed it to.  I have a couple of centerfires that do that job well.  I wound up getting a couple more because I enjoyed the way they shoot, flat and accurate.  I have used mine on a number of little critters that were pests, and it is great.

On other sites there are lots of folks that claim it is perfect for all sorts of game including deer size game and even a bear.  I disagree.  We have different guns for different uses.  And no matter what some say it is not like fishing on lite tackle.  With to little gun even a good shot yields suffering and a slow death.  And a bad name for all of us who hunt.
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 12:08:29 AM »
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On other sites there are lots of folks that claim it is perfect for all sorts of game including deer size game and even a bear
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What site were you on? poachers R Us?

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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2008, 12:27:45 AM »
Several years ago I stopped reading Rimfire Central because they ticked me off so much with the claims of hunting inappropriately with HMRs.  I don't think slow death and lost game is anything to brag about and was flamed wildly for telling the fools that.  I just started reading one forum over there again, but one with much better manners.
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2008, 11:39:19 PM »
 Hunting chicken eggs with it at 200 yards on a still day is a lot of fun. Not much left to eat though ;D
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 06:09:33 AM »
As with any other firearm it is all about shot placement and reasonable range.   The 17HMR will in fact do some pretty amazing things even on larger game with perfect shot placement at reasonable ranges and by not mismatching it against the extremes (like a bear - give me a break).   Yes we did kill many mule deer on the ranch I grew up on with 22LR rifles kept on every ranch vehicle from very close ranges... but just like it was in the 50's big game is a luck shot at best with any rimfire.

Like Keith I too had a huge run in with an RFC Mod over his boasting on using the 17HMR as his primary coyote gun so soon after the cartridge was first released by Hornady.   He not only could not have had much experience with it in the field yet, but he made claims I knew from much longer (than him) personal experience with the 17 HMR that what he claimed it was just not capable of reliably (you see, I did some of the early field testing of the 17HMR on flesh for Bullberry/Hornady long before the cartridge was released for sale to the general public - hence having maybe the first privately owned 17HMR).   So wild claims aside, only you based on your own personal experience and personal abilities can make the decision whether each individual situation on any game animal will allow the fast, clean kill that even a lowly varmint or predator deserves, let alone bigger game no matter what firearm you are using IMO.

I have 3 highly customized and so extremely accurate 17HMR's and their primary use in my hands is for varmint hunting, especially ground squirrels and jack rabbits (although my 3 17HM2's have replaced them to some extent for the squirrels).   Even though they are certainly not my first choice for even the larger predators, let alone bigger game, they have handled those larger predators just fine for me WHEN I had no other firearm in tow AND when I only took well placed shots I was very confident I could make and at ranges past experience had proved to me the cartridge was capable of on that size animal.   That includes one-shot kills on a few coyotes out to the longest at about 180 yards and a huge bobcat at 80-85.   My mainstays, the ground squirrels have been taken well out past 300 yards and jack rabbits to at least 200.   Yes I have had some "crawler" squirrels and rabbits, mostly from trying to push the shots too far out or making a poor shot that required follow ups to humanely kill.   But all of the predators dropped in their tracks.   These are lasered ranges, not wild boasting, and from my own personal experience with the 17 Hummer and 10's of thousands of rounds of them shot in the killing fields.   So take or leave them as you wish, but they are fact and not heresay (most witnessed).   

Again, only you can decide what your firearm and personal abilities with it can reliably do, so only you can make that all important decision in each situation whether to take the shot or give a free pass.   I have given dozens of free passes on borderline shots for every one I actually took with all of my firearms over the years.   Wounded game given up on by the shooter to die a slow death is just not acceptable to me no matter what species it is - period.

Best choice is to use the 17 rimfires for what they were designed for and use more gun for anything larger.

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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 09:24:17 AM »
Bobcat @ 40 yds.  Just below ear.  BangFlop.  20 gr XTP

22# Gobbler last season.   60 yds right thru the beard.   bang flop.

numerous squirrels out to 100 yds.   bang flop. 

Happened upon a covey of pigs while out turkey hunting.   One little 55 lb porker wouldn't leave.   20 gr Hornady in his ear put him right down.   35 yds.    Wouldn't purposely  go out with this for pork.   Just a llucky opportunity with an ideal shot opportunity.   
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2008, 03:37:57 PM »
I know for sure it will cleanly take some pretty large critters,
But, no real need to do so if other guns are available though.
Racoons, opossums and an occational ferral dog are reasonable targets.
It is great for popping crows at some pretty long ranges.
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 05:58:40 AM »
i have a decent selection of firearms. so that being said I use them for what they were developed for. not saying some couldn't do something different than that, just I use the right tool for the right job. there will surely be occasions when i'm required to push that envelope. i do my part. if i don't feel comfortable doing it i pass. just me and my opinion. take it or leave it.
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2008, 07:26:34 AM »
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On other sites there are lots of folks that claim it is perfect for all sorts of game including deer size game and even a bear
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What site were you on? poachers R Us?

I like small rifle shooting, but man there is a limit.

Lonny
Could you give me a better link to that site please? ;D
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2008, 07:04:15 AM »

On other sites there are lots of folks that claim it is perfect for all sorts of game including deer size game and even a bear. 
Your Kidding right Ha Ha Ha. anything bigger than a squirrel is asking to much from the 17hmr
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2008, 07:45:43 AM »
That's what I said, and left when the flame war started. 
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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2008, 09:46:45 AM »
I know there are some coyote hunters up here that use the .17HMR and I thought they were nuts, but a bear? I think I would rather kill a bear instead of making it mad and it take out some frustration on me. I would prefer to have my .45 colt with me while hunting them.

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Re: What does a 17HMR work for?
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2008, 12:25:28 PM »
Some guys seem to equate it with light line fishing.  I see it as foolish and dangerous.  One guy over there was going to shoot coons with cb caps so the neighbors wouldn't be disturbed.  What if a wounded coon tears up a neighbor kid? 

I do love rimfires.  I have a bunch of them and shooting them is pure fun.  But for anything of size, if I can't count on the rimfire to pin it I won't shoot it.  And I have little respect for the folks that manage to kill things with to little gun then brag about it on the web.  Like the bear story.
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