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Offline Lawndawg

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Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« on: November 26, 2008, 05:30:16 PM »
     Moved down from Okie-ville to Florida bout a year ago.  Buddy got me into hawg huntin with my bow and I love it!  year round fun to say the least.  Left most my stuff up in Oklahoma cept my carry pistols and the like.  And instead of havin em sent here, since they safely cared after there...  I figured I'd start over with some firearms that I havent owned yet im my life.

I was thinkin on pickin up a stainless model Encore.  Ive always had an interest in em, but never shucked out the cash when the time came.  Like the idea of swappin up barrels even if it required re-zeroin up the bugger.  Thats the fun part anyhow.

My Idea was to pick one up with a 24" stainless barrel in .30-30 WCF.  A good deer, hawg caliber for the areas we go.  Some fields, mostly brush and trees.   But even in fields if they are too far away, ya just spot and stalk em.  Thats half the fun right there.  Down the road, I see me buyin .270s and such again, maybe even try my hand at muzzle loadin.  But for now, re-loadin .30-30 has gained an interest in me.

Heres my problem.  Most shots will be more than likely within 50 yards...bow range.  What would be the best use for a sight?  I was thinkin on maybe settin it up with a Holosight. instead of a scope.  Since theres no iron sights on the Encore barrel that im lookin at.  Would it work well for snap shootin if I had to respond to a chargin boar? or such?

My buddy uses a marlin 336 with iron sights and along with huntin we like to shoot against each other.  So Im tryin to stick with what god gave me and not a magnification advantage on the range along with in the field.

If a holosight would do the trick to a tee.  What model would you recomend?  Im searchin em as we speak on Midwayusa.

Thanks in advance for any info ya might have for me.

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 04:24:03 PM »
   30 views and no replys?  I know you guys if any have some good ideas here.  Was lookin at bushnells holosight...goes for about 270 bucks.  Seems to get good reviews.  would this work?  Any of ya tried out a holosight on their Thompsons?

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 11:27:41 PM »
Holosight would work well for the application you are suggesting. If you want another option maybe you should look into Mueller red dot sights. Very good quality for the money.
http://www.muelleroptics.com/dealers/
This one looks perfect for your application
http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MQS12233-turkey.html

I am looking to purchase one for spring turkey season and I bet it would do exactly what you are looking to do with the holosight. Whichever you choose I don't think you can go wrong.
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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 05:34:52 AM »
Thats exactly what I'm thinkin on usin.  Just wish I could find a good comparison on what each one offers with pictures on each of their reticles like the Mueller does.

http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_holosight.cfm

The bushnell holosight claims a 65 MOA sight circle with a 1 MOA dot, and they mention of crosshairs but Ive yet to see any pictures....  That Mueller would save me a load a cash too...gonna have to do some searchin for sure now heheh.

Thanks for the info AlbanyCo

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 01:06:08 PM »
No problem, good luck!
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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2008, 02:20:27 AM »
First of all, if I were getting an Encore rifle, it wouldn't be in 30/30.  Not that the 30/30 is bad or won't work but the Encore can handle high pressure cartridges and another cartridge would have much more flexibility like say a 308 Winchester.  Also, if you reload, the 30/30 case isn't all that durable.  Secondly, if the shots were really all going to be within 50 yards, I would probably stick with iron sights (you can get an Encore barrel with iron sights) unless it was going to be dark where I was hunting in which case I would use a scope (Leuopld or maybe Trijicon) or a red dot sight.

There are also a couple of ways to have the best of both worlds.  There are see through mounts for the Encore called the Kwik Site that allows one to use a scope and still use the irons.  This came in handy for me one day when I needed to shoot a running groundhog from about 6 feet.  The other option is to use a Warne Maxima scope base with their quick release rings (the option I'm going to more and more).

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 06:16:29 PM »
Actually the .30 WCF is a great cartridge.  Got a few .308s actually and two other .30 WCFs, one a marlin and one in winchester.  I understand what ya mean but if a .308 why not a .270, and if a .270 why not a .300 win mag.  Actually my first choice was to be one in .44 remington magnum, but the .30 WCF Just does so well in what I use it for.

At 190 bucks or so a pop, another barrel or three wont be a big deal.   I like the .30 WCF for hogs, and its fun to shoot em at the range just like its a kick to shoot .45 long colt a ranges past what most would attempt and yet do well at hittin the paper once you know where she tends to go.

If all else fails, I'll got iron sights like the lever guns.  But I'll not use a see thru... Dont like em for some reason.  I think they are great and do well for a dual purpose.  But I just cant get past the scope up on top like that buggers me all up for reasons I cant explain to even myself, heh.

We all got our quirks i guess.  Another firearm and cartridge im dyin to get get my hands on is an 1874 .40-90 Sharps rifle.  Course that would be just iron sights usin a peep or maybe a brass telescopic sight.  Shootin stuff like that up in Okie-ville always made me feel a touch of the past on our grand prairies.

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2008, 07:57:48 PM »

If all else fails, I'll got iron sights like the lever guns.  But I'll not use a see thru... Dont like em for some reason.  I think they are great and do well for a dual purpose.  But I just cant get past the scope up on top like that buggers me all up for reasons I cant explain to even myself, heh.


One of my rants is about see throughs.  They put the scope so high it is impossible to get consistent cheek weld for the scope, so accuracy suffers with the scope, and they restrict view with the iron sights, so that suffers.  I see them as the worst of both worlds, and should be avoided.  Lots of times folks bring me guns that they can't hit anything with, and I put a working mount system on for them all of a sudden they shoot.  Go figure.
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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 04:44:42 AM »
They put the scope so high it is impossible to get consistent cheek weld for the scope, so accuracy suffers with the scope, and they restrict view with the iron sights, so that suffers.

I know what you mean.  It's almost impossible to get "cheek weld" with my Encore 30/06 with the Kwik Site see throughs and accuracy really suffers.  It will only do less than 1 MOA; maybe 0.75 MOA.  I'll have to yank the see throughs off and see what it will really do.

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 04:49:19 AM »
If it does that for you, you are one in a thousand.  The average csual shooter doesn't line up the scope and shoots all over the target (paper or game). 
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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 09:43:09 AM »
Ive not had any accuracy issues with a see thru.  restriction of field of view yes, accuracy no.  Just doesnt feel right, for me its kinda like shakin hands with my left, or drivin on the left side of the road.  Nothin wrong with it, justs see off for me, heh.

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 02:39:53 PM »
Another possible option...

I'm a hog hunter myself and tend to spend alot of time in swamp conditions and have found my 30-06 with ghost sight works very well. Took the peep off a kahtadin muzzleload barrel for the encore I have. This set up could work with any caliber though. The 30 is awsome for hogs but most any caliber will work, I'm using a 22 mag right now for small game season on a management area (rimfire only).

Food for thought

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Re: Question on sights for Encore woods set-up...
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 03:29:32 PM »
Did you say you are shooting hogs with a .22 mag?
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