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Offline AlbanyCO

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Handloading for Begginers 101
« on: November 29, 2008, 10:31:23 PM »
Ok fellas, I'm sure you've seen a million posts about this but here goes. I'm about to get a 30-06 Barrel and a set of RCBS dies for my TC encore. My grandfather gave me a bunch of reloading equipment he has never used. He used to be a firearms dealer but got out of the buissness many years ago and had some left over stock. I am not sure how old it is. Anyway, this is what he gave me:

RCBS RockChucker reloading press (brand new in the box)
2 Kinetic bullet pullers
RCBS 5-10 Scale
Lyman Scale
Loading Block
Powder trickler
Powder measure stand
Primer Feed
Primer Tray

Looking at this equipment and checking some resources on the internet I think I need the following to get started:

Calipers
Powder Measure
Loading Manual
Case Lube
Powder Funnel

Anything else I need? Some of the things I listed above came in something called the RCBS Accessory kit II and it had some small hand tools with it. I wish I had someone around here I know to show me how to get started but I don't so I'm going to have to do it by the book. Am I forgetting anything?
 
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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 02:31:17 AM »
1.  For case lube, get Imperial Sizing Wax; it's much less messy than the other stuff.  Redding also sells a dry neck lube that's handy if you're only neck sizing.

2.  I've started to favor Redding's 3 die sets that have a full length and a neck sizing die.

3.  You will need a case trimmer at some point.

4.  Lyman makes an aluminum case length gauge that makes it easy to see if a case needs to be trimmed.  I check resized cases with that gauge and, if they're not too long don't bother trimming them.

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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 03:46:41 AM »
The lyman and Lee books both give very good instructions for beginners good to have, I use spary lube on my cases hornady one shot works well the frankfort arsenal pump spray does to.
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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 06:51:03 AM »
Cool, thanks for the help!
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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2008, 03:40:56 PM »
I would expand the "Loading Manual" entry to include a loading manual from the bullet manufacturer(s) you plan to use, in addition to the Lee and/or Lyman manuals already suggested.  You can get load data for most powder manufacturers on-line, but the bullet folks charge for the manuals.

Of course, you'll need dies.  I've had good experience with the Lee die sets - they have a 4-die set that has a full length sizing die, neck sizing die, seating die and a factory crimp die.   Others prefer different brands but or the money I don't think you can beat the Lee sets.  If you go with a different brand, be sure to get a shell holder (Lee sets come with one).

You should also get something to record your loads.  It can be as simple as a box of 3x5 cards, or as elaborate as a notebook with pages to record every aspect of the load.

Finally, I'll bet if you try hard enough you will be able to find someone in your area that is willing to help a new reloader get started.  Where are you located?

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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2008, 06:08:14 PM »
I keep my loading data on 3 x 5 cards. All the entries contain the same info in the same order. I shoot all my test loads on 81/2 x 11 three ring binder paper, with a targ dot or something similar as an aiming point, copy most of my loading info plus shooting info on the target and stick it in a binder. Every time I need new 3 x 5 cards I buy a different color so I have a kind of built in ageing system. I'm working my way through my fourth color now.

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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 06:44:00 PM »
Albany, NY area. I definitely plan on keep records of load data. My basic plan as of now is to use non-premium bullets such as remington core-lokt or winchester power points in the 150-165 grain range for plinking at the range and hunting. If I plan on hunting something heaver I can always move up to 180+ grain premium bullets, but what I have read on here I think I will be happy with the core-lokt and power points. They seem to be priced right and offer a lot of bang for the buck. I am just planning on reloading for the 30-06 round right now and maybe after getting my feet wet move on to the 30-30 winchester. From what I have read it looks like a critical piece of equipment I will need is a case trimmer. I was also planning on ordering a set of universal shell holders and a dial caliper. I think that should get me started correct? Oh, lube too, almost forgot about that.

I know at some point I am going to want a chronograph but that can certainly wait untill I get my head around the basics first. One thing that I am having trouble visualizing is grain weight as it pertains to smokeless powder. I've been shooting blackpowder muzzle loaders for a long time so I guess when guys talk about backing off a grain or reducing a half grain it doesn't register with me how big the difference really is. I'm certain though that all this is going to dawn on me as I am slowly squeezing the trigger with my first load!!
Is there a way to check your work? Like can you use a scale to find out how much a properly loaded round should weigh and weigh your ammo to guard against a double charge?
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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2008, 11:43:39 PM »
First have the powder measure set to throw the desired charge, or weight of powder, you have the cases prepped, meaning primed, case mouth chamfered, trimmed if necessary.  The scale is set for the weight of powder thrown, after zeroing it.
Throw the powder into the first 10 cases, throw another charge but this time into the scale pan, check the weight.  Do this every 10 cases and you shouldn't have a much variation much less a double charge.  Still visually check each case when your through, before seating a bullet.
Some powders meter, or flow, from the powder measure better than others.  Depending on which you choose, that's where the powder trickler comes into play.
I can't stress reading and re-reading the manuals enough.  Do the process in steps, size the brass, prime the brass, throw the powder, seat the bullet.  Avoid skipping around from one step to another, develop a routine and eliminate distractions.  Don't try to watch a game on TV and reload at the same time.

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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 12:19:56 AM »
I weigh all my powder charged individually; I use my powder measure just to get close to where I want to be and then add powder with a powder trickler.  I also favor powders that almost fill the case which makes it impossible to double charge them.

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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 08:24:43 AM »
Thank you very much for the tips guys, your help is invaluable!
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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 09:45:44 AM »
Get the Lee cutter and trim pilot in 30-06 to get started.  About $6 and you can trim your brass to length.  Best way for a newbie to start trimming. 

Another vote for imperial sizing die wax.  Easy to use and clean up.

Get the RCBS Universal powder measure or the Lyman #55 powder measure.  Both are easy to learn with and they will last for ever.

YOu will need a powder funnel to get the powder into your -06 cases.  Don't try using the scale pan.  You will spill and your ammo will not be as accurate.

Get a good ammo box to keep your loaded ammo in.  MTM makes some good boxes that last a long time.  Put your load data inside the lid of the box so whenever you open the box, your data is right there.  NEVER load ammo without keeping your data with the ammo.  You will want to load more and more and will eventually wonder what you have if you don't start labelling it from the start.

Good luck and please feel free to ask questions any time.

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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2008, 07:06:22 AM »
OK! My two cents worth: everyone has given some good advice. Can’t stress enough read and re-read the manual. This is one place you don’t want to do half hazardly.

Caliper, you will need to check the cartridge overall length (COL), case length (when trimming or if you buy used cases), you will need to trim cases if you shoot them several times. The heavier the load the more often you will have to trim the cases.

One of the other tools may be a reamer and chamfer tool, used to cleanup the case necks after they have been trimmed. It looks something like bullet with fins.

Ball powers meter real well, extruded powders or disk don’t meter worth a crap. When I am using the later two, I just get them close and use my trickler to finish them off on the powder scale. After you are done charging the cases, take a small flash light and visually check to make sure you didn’t double charge any of the cases.

Bullet setting: use the info in the die set to set your dies. It’s really pretty easy.

For liability reasons: only use the correct components that the manual states. After you get real comfortable with loading, you may be able to start working up different loads to see what the most accurate load is for you gun. This is something that is done by experienced hand loader.

I’m partial to RCBS, although I have the universal Lee shell holder sets for the press and the Lee hand priming tool.
I hope this helps.

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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2008, 02:08:53 PM »
Shooter 250 mentioned it and it is SOOOO important that it needs repeating.  After you have charged all your cases get your eyes directly above the loading block and look carefully into each case one at a time row after row, comparing each case to the next one.  They better not vary much or you should pull the outlyers and weigh them.  Try to figure out how it happened.  Develop a proceedure and rhythum to do it the same time after time.  Don't worry about speed.  Youre only interested in precision. 
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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 02:09:19 AM »
Thank you very much fellas! I'll keep you all updated on how I make out. This is going to be a slow process!
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Re: Handloading for Begginers 101
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 02:53:19 AM »
Slow is good, in fact, the slower, the better.  The equipment that I would recommend will cost you less than nothing, it will save you in the long run.
Patience:  Take your time when reloading.  Each step is important, so make sure you have enough time to complete every step.  If you feel rushed, then slow down.  Mistakes are made in rushes.  No load is the final word.  Even bad loads can teach you something.  If you make a mistake, then back up to the previous step.
Quiet:  You should have no distractions when reloading.  No radio or TV, no friends chatting, no pets in the area.  Tell anyone at your house that you will be out of touch for a certain period of time, then make it up afterward, to insure future compliance.  This does not mean that you could not have an experienced reloader helping you, or watch one work.  Both of you can be on the same page, but remember, talks about the weather or the next hunt are verboten until you have finished the task at hand.
Planning:  have a particular goal in mind when you go to the reloading bench, and finish it!  Do not leave a step before it is done, it is too easy to forget where you left off.  At best, this wastes time, at worst, your prize Contender could end up shrapnel.
Reflection:  Go back and read notes.  Add field results to them, so you can compare actions and results.  Think about what worked and why it did or did not. 
And finally, skepticism.  Take any advice, even this, with a grain or ten of salt.  If someone tells you about a load that will turn a .30 Carbine into a .300 Weatherby, listen, but don't take it as Gospel.  Especially doubt the information in manuals about maximum loads.  For the first year, stick with starting loads, and then work up slowly.  Your gun will tell you what its maximum is.  Better a load that goes where it is aimed than that last fifty feet per second.