Author Topic: Handi Original Chamberings (Read 1639 times)

277284 · « **on:** November 30, 2008, 01:30:57 PM »

What were the first chamberings when the Topper/Handi was introduced (1963 ?), and when did the SB2 come out with what chamberings? I had a 357 Mag and a 30-30 back in the mid 80's, and have been checking them out recently.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2008, 01:49:29 PM »

SB2s weren't available until H&R 1871 offered them in late 1986 and 1987 after Harrington & Richardson went belly up, the original company used just one type frame which was cast iron, they had no SB1 or SB2 designation. The SB2 is heat treated investment cast alloy.

Tim

greg916 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2008, 02:50:56 PM »

I do not know this to be a complete list,or if all calibers were available when they first came out, but they were chambered in 30-30,22 Hornet, 357, 44, and 256 Winchester. The first I had experience with was 256 winchester. Wish I still had it!

MSP Ret · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2008, 03:17:35 PM »

I was not aware of the .256 Winchester but IIRC there may have been an offering in .22 RemJet as well....<><....

TribReady · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2008, 03:23:15 PM »

.256 Win sounds awesome.
What's the story on that round? (sorry if this hijacks the thread, but it kind of applies

)

277284 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2008, 06:35:42 PM »

Thanks, the available calibers is really great nowadays and still affordable. The shop I went to yesterday didn't know what they had because I asked for a H&R Handi rifle, they said they had none, I asked again and said they had the Topper.

Airsporter · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2008, 09:51:53 PM »

Ditto to MSP's comment. I remember the .22 Jet, but not .256

cwlongshot · « **Reply #7 on:** December 01, 2008, 12:11:10 AM »

The 256 was a winchester bullet made baout 1960. Its formed from a 357 Mag case necked to 25 cal. IIRC the Ruger Hawkeye was first chambered for it followed by the Marlin 62 Lever rifles.

It began to have problems when Re-loaders tryed to "soup" it up and ejection problems occured. I had a Marlin and a Contender barrel in this caliber.

CW

greg916 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 01, 2008, 12:35:23 AM »

You have me thinking now. I'm pretty sure it was a 256. There was a single shot pistol that shot the same round. I remember the pistol looked like a single action, but had a "flat" cylinder.

carbineman · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2008, 01:49:50 AM »

We have two of the older versions in 30-30, one is marked Topper the other H&R sure must have been a lot of versions they produced. This is the current one I'm working on now. Will be mounting a scope rail and scope soon.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2008, 04:52:14 AM »

Don't forget the 45/70 Shakari.

Hofs01 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2008, 04:59:17 AM »

In the actual "Topper" line, I know of 2 different styles.

One has a profiled receiver and one without. I do not have access to my photos right now but will attach pics later:

I personally own a .410, 20 ga, 30-30, and 22jet in the profiled "Topper" version. I also own a 12 ga and a 16 ga in the non profiled version.

The profile does not allow larger calibers like the 12 and 16 ga.

I think that there may be a 22 hornet in the profiled version but no one has ever posted a picture of one. (If one exists, i will find it and buy it!) I have been looking for at least 20 years.

In the non profiled "topper" I have owned a 30-30 and a 22 hornet. To the best of my knowledge the 22 jet was only offered in the profiler version.

Also note that the profiled versions have the snap on forend.

Brian

carbineman · « **Reply #12 on:** December 01, 2008, 09:56:44 AM »

Hofs, Thanks for the history lesson. I would like to see the pics if you can post them.

Slufoot · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2008, 11:25:06 AM »

What carbineman said!
I'd also enjoy seeing the pictures.

GOOD SHOOTING!
Slufoot

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2008, 12:51:48 PM »

There was also the 44mag Shikari. Kurt

Airsporter · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2008, 01:21:27 PM »

I remember the .256 Win. cartridge, just don't remember it ever being a factory offering in an H&R. The .22 Rem. Jet was also based upon the .357 mag - necked to .22. It was introduced by S&W around 1960 or so in the 8 3/8" barrel model 53 revolver.

Even as a pre-teen youth, I remember cringing when I read a story in either Outdoor Life or Field & Stream about some outdoor writer hunting black bear with this revolver - by taking head shots - nose on. What a stunt!

I do also remember a 4-barrel combo offering in 30-30, 22 Jet, 20 ga and .410

cwlongshot · « **Reply #16 on:** December 01, 2008, 01:38:21 PM »

Quote from: greg916 on December 01, 2008, 12:35:23 AM

You have me thinking now. I'm pretty sure it was a 256. There was a single shot pistol that shot the same round. I remember the pistol looked like a single action, but had a "flat" cylinder.

That would be the Ruger Hawkeye!

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/firearms/PDF/PartsBooklets/D6.pdf

CW

skifastchad · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2008, 03:39:15 AM »

Add one more to the list.

I looked through some of my gun bluebooks, and apparently in the mid '70s there was also a H&R model 258 Topper that was offered from the factory in 357max. It also had a nickel plated frame and barrel.

Slufoot · « **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2008, 11:18:47 AM »

Quote from: skifastchad on December 02, 2008, 03:39:15 AM

Add one more to the list.

I looked through some of my gun bluebooks, and apparently in the mid '70s there was also a H&R model 258 Topper that was offered from the factory in 357max. It also had a nickel plated frame and barrel.

That is very strange because the 357 Remington Maximum wasn't introduced until 1983.

GOOD SHOOTING!
Slufoot

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** December 02, 2008, 12:43:57 PM »

A very big typo evidently!!

Tim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Remington_Maximum

http://www.chuckhawks.com/357max.htm

skifastchad · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2008, 04:18:44 AM »

Don't shoot the messenger. It lists .357magnum AND .357maximum for a model 258 topper. $:-\$

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2008, 05:37:21 AM »

The Harrington and Richardson Handi-Gun II, Mod 258 rifle/shotgun combo, 1982-1986 was factory chambered in .357 Max.

Blackhawker · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2008, 06:02:01 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on November 30, 2008, 01:49:29 PM

SB2s weren't available until H&R 1871 offered them in late 1986 and 1987 after Harrington & Richardson went belly up, the original company used just one type frame which was cast iron, they had no SB1 or SB2 designation. The SB2 is heat treated investment cast alloy.

Tim

Tim,
I've been reading some articles on Wesson and Harrington and H&R. It seems (from what I've read) that when H&R took over in 1986, they still were selling rifles, specifically the Buffalo Classic and Target Model, under the name of Wesson and Harrington or NEF. Do you know if this is true? If so, do you know how long Wesson and Harrington's were made under the H&R name or were they just selling off old stock?

As you know, I have recently acquired a W&H and still haven't pinpointed at least a fairly accurate date of it's manufacture.

Secondly, with the frame being made of cast iron, would this frame be more comparable to today's SB1 frame in your opinion or would it be somewhat stronger?
Again, having nothing to reference against, I'm concerned about loading too heavy on this frame, especially with the 45-70 loads. I recently found some accurate loads but they were in the mid to heavy range for typical Marlin or Winchester leverloads.

(sorry to break the momentum of the original chamberings talk guys)

quickdtoo · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2008, 06:20:48 AM »

I'll think you'll learn the W&H BC and Target were made in the '90s on SB2 frames, H&R Gardner fitted rifle barrels to them, the only reason the current H&R won't fit barrels to them is because the serial number build year info that Gardner had was lost during the move.

Tim

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2008, 06:29:02 AM »

Not to take this further off thread but IIRC there was a magazine article about the BC and the .38-55 Target model where they said they were making them and calling them by that name, W&H to bring back the nostalgia of those rifles.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2008, 07:53:52 AM »

If you read the details of Jon's website, you'll see that the W&H was probably made from 1996 to as late as 2003.

Tim

http://buffaloclassic.tripod.com/

All Wesson & Harrinton models are 100% American made in Gardner, Worcester county, Massachusetts.
We believe Frank Wesson and Gilbert Harrington would be as proud of these firearms
as the ones they built here over one hundred and twenty five years ago.

Text and Pictures Copyright 1996 - 2003 © by Wesson & Harrington All rights reserved.

Blackhawker · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2008, 08:23:14 AM »

Quote from: Rustyinfla on December 03, 2008, 06:29:02 AM

Not to take this further off thread but IIRC there was a magazine article about the BC and the .38-55 Target model where they said they were making them and calling them by that name, W&H to bring back the nostalgia of those rifles.

That's what I had read as well. Whatever article I had read stated something like "the finer firearms produced by H&R carried the W&H name to carry the tradition....yada yada yada....".

Thanks for your input.

Blackhawker · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2008, 08:45:03 AM »

Thanks Tim. As always you seem to have quite a handle on things when it comes to these H&R's. Maybe you should do some consulting work with H&R for a while and get them updated on their facts etc.

In any case, it's relieving to know it's more than likely an SB2 frame. A friend of mine who is a very knowledgeable gunsmith and machinist has told me time and again to stop worrying about it and just shoot it but I guess I'm just a bit of a worry wort.
I've noticed that the case coloring (and wood finish too) seems different on my W&H than the newer H&R's which is why I questioned the manufacturing and make-up of frame...year of manufacture and general strength. I like the coloring of the W&H, it seems to be a little more subdued and classic looking. It's definitely a fine looking rifle.

I did read the BC tripod website and it give a very nice history on the rifle and the original owners etc. It's good reading. Thanks!

In regard to your first comment, fitting of barrels; does this mean I probably cant fit a newer barrel to my W&H or does it just mean that H&R won't do the fitting?
Although I'll eventually pick up another rifle, probably the 45 Colt model with the case coloring, I'd like to add a 30-30 to my set-up. I'd love to have a 32-20 or 32-40 as well. I guess that will be a custom job for the future though.

Attempting to get back on the subject of original chamberings, I'm surprised that a 32-20 was never offered in the early days.

Anyway, thanks again Tim.

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2008, 12:59:33 PM »

I've seen a .221 Fireball barrel that I believe to be factory, probably a topper from the 1960's when the .221 and .223 were the latest things.

greg916 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 04, 2009, 11:31:06 AM »

Dug out the old rifle and pistol when I went back home over Christmas. I was wrong. The pistol was indeed a Ruger Hawkeye in 256 Winchester. The H&R is .22 Jet. Guess the mind is going!!!