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YANKEE MTYH # 4
« on: December 04, 2008, 03:33:51 PM »
YANKEE MYTH # 4
The South Fought the War to Preserve Slavery

   When discussing the motives for fighting the War for Southern Independence, the Yankee myth-makers have assigned virtue to the North and vice to the South. One of their favorite myths is to assert that Southerners were fighting to keep people in slavery. This lie has been, and still is, either stated or implied over and over until today most Southerners themselves accept their assigned position of national villains without so much as one word of protest. They just don't know any better.

   The absurdity of this myth can be seen by understanding that at least 80% of the Confederate soldiers were NOT slave owners! And 94% of the entire Southern population owned NO slaves. Now let's try to put the extent of the Southern sacrifice into some type of modern perspective. During World War II, the United States lost approximately 300,000 military personnel. If the U.S. had lost personnel in WWII at the same rate (per capita) as the South did during the War for Southern Independence, the loss of American lives in WWII would not have been 300,000 but instead 6,000,000 (yes, six million people!)

   Who in his right mind could honestly claim that the Southern soldiers and sailors, the vast majority of whom were Not slave owners, went to war against a numerically superior foe and endured four long years of hardships, all in order to allow a few rich men to keep their slaves? Yet, the Yankee myth of history has been so pervasive that this is the message that our children usually receive from the educational system paid for by our taxes.

   Jefferson Davis wrote to his wife in February 1861 that, no matter what the result of the conflict was, the slave property of the South "will eventually be lost." This is further evidence that slavery was in demise in the South. Slavery was so NOT the issue of war in the South that it was not even Mentioned in President Davis' inaugural address. A partial list of SOUTHERN leaders who were NOT slave owners when war broke out include: Robert E. Lee, Joseph Johnston, A.P. Hill, Fitzhugh Lee, and J.E.B. Stuart. Remember, Northern General Ulysses Grant personally held slaves until they were freed in 1868, by the 13th Amendment.

   Add to this evidence the testimony of some of the soldiers. The desire for independence was evident in countless letters early in the war and continues even after years of desperate struggle. For example,

George Washington Bolton of the 12th Louisiana Volunteer Infantry, C.S.A. sent this encouragement home to his people:
You seem to be in low spirits and fearful we will not gain our Independence. So long as there is an arm to raise in DEFENSE of Southern Liberties there is still hope. We must prove ourselves worthy of establishing an independent Government.

   In March of 1865, a soldier from Company K, 7th Louisiana Infantry, C.S.A. wrote home:
... with proud hearts and strong arms we are more determined than ever to apply every energy until our independence is achieved.

   From Shreveport, Louisiana, in April of 1865, come these words:
I firmly believe we will yet achieve our independence.

   We should also look at the fact that, IF the South wanted to keep slavery it never had to fire a single shot. The soldiers merely had to lay down their weapons and go home. Slavery would have remained in tact with no ill effects. The fact of the matter being, The South was unlawfully invaded and Her military fought a purely DEFENSIVE war. Remember that more than 99% of the war was fought in the SOUTH.
   
   From these few examples it can be seen that these men were fighting for the same principles their forefathers fought for  in the War For American Independence -- the right of self-government.

Another Yankee Myth Exposed....
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2008, 03:43:04 PM »
YANKEE MYTH # 4
The South Fought the War to Preserve Slavery

   When discussing the motives for fighting the War for Southern Independence, the Yankee myth-makers have assigned virtue to the North and vice to the South. One of their favorite myths is to assert that Southerners were fighting to keep people in slavery. This lie has been, and still is, either stated or implied over and over until today most Southerners themselves accept their assigned position of national villains without so much as one word of protest. They just don't know any better.

   The absurdity of this myth can be seen by understanding that at least 80% of the Confederate soldiers were NOT slave owners! And 94% of the entire Southern population owned NO slaves. Now let's try to put the extent of the Southern sacrifice into some type of modern perspective. During World War II, the United States lost approximately 300,000 military personnel. If the U.S. had lost personnel in WWII at the same rate (per capita) as the South did during the War for Southern Independence, the loss of American lives in WWII would not have been 300,000 but instead 6,000,000 (yes, six million people!)

   Who in his right mind could honestly claim that the Southern soldiers and sailors, the vast majority of whom were Not slave owners, went to war against a numerically superior foe and endured four long years of hardships, all in order to allow a few rich men to keep their slaves? Yet, the Yankee myth of history has been so pervasive that this is the message that our children usually receive from the educational system paid for by our taxes.

   Jefferson Davis wrote to his wife in February 1861 that, no matter what the result of the conflict was, the slave property of the South "will eventually be lost." This is further evidence that slavery was in demise in the South. Slavery was so NOT the issue of war in the South that it was not even Mentioned in President Davis' inaugural address. A partial list of SOUTHERN leaders who were NOT slave owners when war broke out include: Robert E. Lee, Joseph Johnston, A.P. Hill, Fitzhugh Lee, and J.E.B. Stuart. Remember, Northern General Ulysses Grant personally held slaves until they were freed in 1868, by the 13th Amendment.

   Add to this evidence the testimony of some of the soldiers. The desire for independence was evident in countless letters early in the war and continues even after years of desperate struggle. For example,

George Washington Bolton of the 12th Louisiana Volunteer Infantry, C.S.A. sent this encouragement home to his people:
You seem to be in low spirits and fearful we will not gain our Independence. So long as there is an arm to raise in DEFENSE of Southern Liberties there is still hope. We must prove ourselves worthy of establishing an independent Government.

   In March of 1865, a soldier from Company K, 7th Louisiana Infantry, C.S.A. wrote home:
... with proud hearts and strong arms we are more determined than ever to apply every energy until our independence is achieved.

   From Shreveport, Louisiana, in April of 1865, come these words:
I firmly believe we will yet achieve our independence.

   We should also look at the fact that, IF the South wanted to keep slavery it never had to fire a single shot. The soldiers merely had to lay down their weapons and go home. Slavery would have remained in tact with no ill effects. The fact of the matter being, The South was unlawfully invaded and Her military fought a purely DEFENSIVE war. Remember that more than 99% of the war was fought in the SOUTH.
   
   From these few examples it can be seen that these men were fighting for the same principles their forefathers fought for  in the War For American Independence -- the right of self-government.

Another Yankee Myth Exposed....

All excellent points!
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2008, 04:24:10 PM »
Thanks, Dee.

Even further PROOF that the South didn't fight to keep slavery, just read this quaint little document...

Just barely two months shy of Lee's surrender at Appomattox, this document was drawn up by ABRAHAM LINCOLN, on Sunday, February 5, 1865, after his return from the Hampton Roads conference with representatives of the Confederacy, at which he is "reported" to have mentioned federal compensation to the Southern states for the loss of slave "property" as an inducement to peaceful reunion. Here he proposes that Congress appropriate $400,000,000 (Four Hundred Million Dollars) to be disbursed on a pro rata basis to ALL slave-holding states, including loyal border states. It reflects Lincoln's consistent belief that compensation was due Southerners for the loss of their "Property," a view not shared by members of his cabinet. As a result of their (cabinet's) disapproval, noted by Lincoln in his endorsement and characterized by Gideon Welles, Secretary of the Navy in his diary, this measure was never sent to Congress.

This document ALSO serves as undeniable PROOF that Lincoln KNEW the Emancipation Proclamation was not Legal, and that it in NO WAY freed a single slave!

This just further proves that even Lincoln did not believe the South was fighting to keep slavery. If they were, he certainly wouldn't have wanted to pay them $400,000,000 to free them. Neither did he see slavery as a real issue of the war, outside the context of them being PROPERTY, and being protected by the Constitution.

This link shows the ACTUAL hand written proposal, which is kind of hard to read. In the upper right hand corner of the page, there is a link to the TRANSCRIPTION of this rarely seen piece of history.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/AMALL:@field(DOCID+@lit(d4046200))

If you can't get the link to work, simply go to www.loc.gov and do a search for 1860 Cencus. On the left of the screen, make sure the second box is selected, and click search again. Scroll down and click on "See More Results." At the top, go to page 4. Click on item # 69, and you are at the hand written version. Click on TRANSCRIPTION at the top right to read it better.

P.S.   As far as I know, this is the ONLY documented proof that Abraham Lincoln EVER met with any leaders from the Confederacy, for ANY purpose.
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2008, 10:44:54 PM »
Lincoln's war was not about slavery: Just for a moment think about this; If Lincoln REALLY wanted to free the slaves under his control all he had to do was recognize the CSA and then draw up an amendment and have it passed (which it surely would have under the remaining states) thus those slaves would then be free.

Other points to ponder: Slavery was law under the Constitution as of 1860 so why leave if it was so protected? It takes a 3/4 states vote to amend the Constitution and there were 15 slave states. We would have to have become a Union of 60 states before there was a chance in Hell that slavery could be overturned! Un less we went to war, Lincoln and his hoods want to free the slaves, so you say, therefore he starts his bloody war.

Anyway a person wants to look at this question it always comes back to one overriding point. Lincoln and his party was in the drivers seat the moment the Tariff of 47% was passed and signed by Buchann and SC crossed the line. Which only proves that it was all about taxes for the Northern Industrial complex! 148 years later we are at that same doorstep! BAILOUT! Sorry SBG I'll now get back on track. ;)
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2008, 01:29:25 AM »
Has anyone researched Florida's statement concerning their threat of seccession if Lincoln won the election? I have not researched this in detail.
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2008, 12:50:55 AM »
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Since Southerners exported and imported 80% of the nation’s
goods, they have paid 80% of the nation’s import taxes for
many years now, although they represented only 33% of the
United States population.

The South contended that this unequal taxation violated the
United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8(1) and was both
unfair and burdensome to Southerners.

And even worse for the South, 80% of this tax revenue was then
spent up North on Northern canals and railroads, instead of in
the Southern States.

Taxation without EQUAL representation! >:(

Dee you might want to give this link a look see:

http://216.110.172.115/floridaintro.htm
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2008, 01:19:02 AM »
You harp on the 40% tariff but don't understand it. I offered too discuss it, you know the results.
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 06:57:11 AM »
William, the tariffs were on imported industrial goods from Europe. It caused industrial goods that southerners bought from the north, including farm implements, to be very expensive. When the south exported agricultural goods they could not get a decent price because with Europes limited sales to the US, dollars in Europe were scarce to buy southern crops. Southerners also faced retaliatory tariffs because of the northern tariffs.

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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2008, 11:55:41 AM »
You harp on the 40% tariff but don't understand it. I offered too discuss it, you know the results.
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William everyone has tried to show you links and quotes that the people being discussed uttered from their own mouths. However, just as this post of yours implies, YOU believe that YOU are the only one who UNDERSTANDS. ::)
Everyone has been patient with you but, you AS USUAL believe yourself to be of a DEEPER UNDERSTANDING than us mere mortals. EVERYONE has taken a shot at making a point with you, but as I learned looooonnnnng ago. You are unreachable in virtually ANY TOPIC. You brother, know it all, whether it be Bible, current events or the civil war.
So now, with this yet another impasse of NEVER ADMITTING a weakness in any area, on your part. I will now say good bye. It is an exercise in futility to try and prove a point for someone whom is always right.  ;)

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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2008, 04:12:01 PM »
Dee, I hate to say it but I put him on IGNORE a week ago... as Graybeard himself has pointed out, the man contradicts himself and he doesn't even realize it... I could bang my head against the wall til my brain clabbers trying to make him understand and that man still won't get it... mmm,mmm,mmm. (the Southern saying, when there ain't no more TO say)

...otherwise fellas, the conversations are great. Keep 'em coming.
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2008, 06:59:52 PM »
Please excuse the OT SBG but I too have put wl on IGNORE since his pity remark, Dee. Why talk to someone who doesn't respect your opinion while talking down to you at the same time plus claiming to be a christian. There are plenity here who disagree with my way of thinking, which is fine, but none have ever been disrespectful save wl. I'll say no more about the man but I'll never again read or remark to anything he writes. As you once mentored to me, don't let him "get to" you.

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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2008, 03:33:43 AM »
Dang if you guys all keep putting ole William on ignore he'll become as ignored as Swampman. Admins and Moderators cannot actually "ignore" anyone as the software will not let us not see all posts. I did however put one person on my ignore list just to let him know how I feel of his posts in general even tho I can't not see them from the action. Since he is a good buddy of Matt's when I told Matt he kinda got a kick out of it and chuckled a bit. I must admit at times there are folks I wish I could for real ignore but being in the position I am on the site I really cannot afford to not be able to see their posts just in case I need to take action regarding them.


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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2008, 05:39:15 AM »
I catchin up GB. Gosh! I wonder who that one is, that is ignoring me? ;D
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2008, 11:26:11 AM »
Not me Dee. i assure you folks I don't ignor any of you.
I read everything and do think about it. I have just come too different conclusions.
You guys don't get it either, IMO.
If I said that ya'll were nuts for not seeing the forrest for the trees, you wouldn't have too post, I would hear the crys without a telephone line. :)
Now the fallicy of the Morrill act was the advantage of the industrialist upping prices too just below imported goods.
The English were trying too break the backs of American Industry. Much of their production was subsidized.
Now if you want too critize the North for profiteering then don't hang a banner on the South saying they were for free trade.
It is like today--"BUY AMERICAN" So the companies move production here but all the major parts are produced elsewhere and we only walk an assembly line.
If we taxed these parts coming in too allow American industry too compete do you think that someone would not discover that they can charge more and stay less than imported goods?
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 01:42:11 AM »
WE fought to regain our freedom so as to be able to pass it down to futer generations as it was passed to us.
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Re: YANKEE MTYH # 4
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 04:59:42 AM »
Another parallel track would be this angle:

http://www.amazon.com/Complicity-Promoted-Prolonged-Profited-Slavery

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Complicity reveals the cruel truth about the Triangle Trade of molasses, rum, and slaves that lucratively linked the North to the West Indies and Africa; discloses the reality of Northern empires built on profits from rum, cotton, and ivory–and run, in some cases, by abolitionists; and exposes the thousand-acre plantations that existed in towns such as Salem, Connecticut. Here, too, are eye-opening accounts of the individuals who profited directly from slavery far from the Mason-Dixon line–including Nathaniel Gordon of Maine, the only slave trader sentenced to die in the United States, who even as an inmate of New York’s infamous Tombs prison was supported by a shockingly large percentage of the city; Patty Cannon, whose brutal gang kidnapped free blacks from Northern states and sold them into slavery; and the Philadelphia doctor Samuel Morton, eminent in the nineteenth-century field of “race science,” which purported to prove the inferiority of African-born black people.

Culled from long-ignored documents and reports–and bolstered by rarely seen photos, publications, maps, and period drawings–Complicity is a fascinating and sobering work that actually does what so many books pretend to do: shed light on America’s past. Expanded from the celebrated Hartford Courant special report that the Connecticut Department of Education sent to every middle school and high school in the state (the original work is required readings in many college classrooms,) this new book is sure to become a must-read reference everywhere.

The side the North and their pawns never want to talk about even though it taught in some colleges. Hmmmm!
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 11:55:35 AM »
Freedom, as I pointed out once, is such an unmanagable term.
It means different things too different people.
Freedom is not free too do anything one wants, therefore; no one bullet rule.
Freedom is defined within the confines of personal freedom limited by anothers nose. It is the necessary too define the space required from anothers nose.
You cannot do just anything in the name of liberty.
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2008, 04:26:44 AM »
Freedom, as I pointed out once, is such an unmanagable term.
It means different things too different people.
Freedom is not free too do anything one wants, therefore; no one bullet rule.
Freedom is defined within the confines of personal freedom limited by anothers nose. It is the necessary too define the space required from anothers nose.
You cannot do just anything in the name of liberty.
Blessings

"unmanageable?", wl, where ARE you coming from? I have no idea what this "no one bullet rule" means. Please be so kind as to share you wisdom with us mortals.

I am not trying to be sarcastic I really would like to understand you so I'll give it one more shot across the bow.
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