Author Topic: Idea's on making a bobcat meat based bait for canines (Read 1370 times)

Corey Hain · « **on:** August 16, 2003, 04:16:15 AM »

I have some bobcat meat i saved from last season, i was looking for ideas on what i should do with it to make a good k9 bait out of it, i will probably age it to a slight taint and stop it with sodium benzolate mixed with some bobcat uirne, just wondering what i should add to spice it up? I was thinking beaver castor, muskrat glands, any other ideas? I appreciate the help. Thanks Corey

Asa Lenon · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2003, 06:00:09 AM »

Corey: It sounds like you have the idea already, tainted chunks with the addition of urine, castor and muskrat musk. I'm sure this alone without any additional ingredients will be an excellent bait. However, if you want to add a few more ingredients you could try asafoedita, musk ambrette, tonquin musk, civet musk and a few drops of skunk musk as other proven canine and 'cat lure ingredients or make two batches of bait with different ingredients for a change-up. If the bait is made now and aged until trapping season so the ingredients get a chance to permeate the meat chunks, you will have a top shelf attractor. Good luck! Ace :grin:

RdFx · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2003, 01:45:23 PM »

Yeppers what Ace suggested make me slobber and drool

those ingrediants combined would make a canine step around a dirt hole for sure and right on the pan . Good luck Corey

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2003, 03:11:06 PM »

Corey, watch out Asa didn't tell you bout the ground dodo bill he uses.

Asa Lenon · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2003, 03:19:26 PM »

Hey Wacky, those are ground eye teeth from East Indias Dodo birds, get it right!!! LOL! :lol:

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2003, 03:22:12 PM »

Corey what I tell ya? And another thing I went back to old posts and Asa never ever said anything about East Indes strains! :eek:

Asa Lenon · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2003, 04:06:33 PM »

:wink: Sombody told me there is a New Mexico strain of Dodos worthy of looking into for bait, LOL! Ace

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2003, 05:10:00 AM »

On a completely serious note, what would be nice for the me and I'll bet a bunch of the guys, would be some sorta of an idea description) of light taint, moderate taint and heavey taint. For example I aged a number of gallons of chunked meat last Feb-April it had a bit of a different odor than fresh but not sour or putrid in the least. Now after aging all summer (with Na Benzoate) it smells well more sweet than tainted.

One of the large buckets started to taint the week I left for the NTA (don't know why it would have started 4 months after Na Benzoate was added ). Now it is tainted! When you stir it and get rid of the putricine it has a soureee sorta smell I suppose thats a heavy taint.

If a fellow had some sorta of "smell" scale we could may communicate better and be more helpful sorta like pan tension.

RdFx · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2003, 05:26:30 AM »

This is a volume in discussion starting!! Everyone has thier idea of tainting and of course differant ways. You can taint in full sun, under ground or in dark shed. The size of chunks of bait and also somewhat the amount of what various bacteria is in jar or pail of bait and the temp will determine the length of time to taint to whatever stage you want bait to be. THe slight gray color on bait with some red or meat color still showing would be a slight taint and when you get that real gray color and sour smell that Wacky talks about is the advance stage of tainting. Now some people taint bait before adding their own ingrediants to enhance bait and let it absorb odors and mix everyonce in a while. Differant types of meat will taint differantly and also give differant smells. One could go on and on but if you dont have time buy your bait or experiment and write things down that you have done and then also write down the results using it trapping. You have to write down the weather also during yr trapping season that you used bait also as that makes a differance depending on your mixtures in you bait compound. Whew , some one elses turn to yak!!! :wink:

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2003, 06:00:51 AM »

I see a place here to interject something...this taint issue and "sour" . Here's the deal in most cases sour means acids like sour cream is lactic acid. Putrid is very different. Putrid is the nasty smell you get from a rotting carcass and the oder is from a group of compounds called, in a general sense, amines. If Store bought milk goes bad in your frig the smell is nasty because it has really putrfied not soured. On the other hand milk from ole Bessy out in the barn will sour and be good for things because of the lactic acid.

Now then bait makers sour or putrid? Never ever putrid or a bit here and there? All of this of course related back to "TAINT".

RdFx · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2003, 06:12:41 AM »

We all know canines are attracted to all types of smells whether putrid or tainted. With putrid you will get shoulder rubbing or rolling which you dont want at foot hold set. If one was using a putrid bait and accidently dropped some juice on trap bed putting bait into hole we know what happens then. ( trap set off with canine hair in between jaws). With tainted , canines are going to want to eat or at least mouth it and providing you havent dropped any juices over trap bed ( which will result in canine digging at trap bed and setting trap off or getting toe caught). The sour and putrid processes that Wacky talks about are important if you want you bait a certain way. There are alot of good coon baits ect that have a sour smell to them that really draw coon in and depends on process used to make them.

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2003, 06:45:13 AM »

We need a scratch and sniff option...BOGGY! Oh hell he'll never read this thread no water invovled.

Here's another thing to kick around...color and tainting. This grey color is over through the whole bait (not inside the chunks on all outer surfaces)? When you taint chunks should a fellow have enough liquid around to just sorta fill all the spaces? Do you wamt to leave the bait sit in the corner and ferment away or do you want to be strring it 3 or 6 times a day?

Bogmaster · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2003, 07:28:20 AM »

Wacky, as moderater I get the chore of reading everything.Just because I do not respond --doesnt mean I have'nt read it. Scratch and sniff for baits--hmmmmmm--you are on your own on that one. Tom

Asa Lenon · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2003, 07:33:09 AM »

My opinion is the best stage of tainting is this; chunks should be gray about half way through the chunk but pink yet in the center. Ground meat or fish should be the same, gray half way through and still pink in the center. I always taint products in April and May when the temperatures are still rather cool in my locality. A ball aprk figure is about 3 weeks to achieve the gray/pink color desired but can be from 2 to 4 weeks depending on the temperature. I can better control things when the weather is cool and burying such large amount that I deal with wouldn't be practical. Wacky brings up a good point about the bait beginning to work and continue to taint even after the sodium benzoate was added. This is something i've harped about in numerous postings, one should dissolve the sodium benzoate powder in water or some liquid before adding to the bait. If there is excess liquid once the bait is complete, pour it off into a bottle and use it as a lure. Dissolving in liquid allows the preservative to better and quicker permeate the entire chunks. Otherwise, one is always in danger of exploding the sealed bait/lure jars because gasses may be still forming. I have seen this happen even with experienced lure makers baits and lures. I couldn't help but smirki a little when I was at a convention years ago where a major lure makers lures were for sale. Trappers would walk up and start opening the lure bottles and they would spray in there faces or fizz over on their hands. It really wasn't funny and I felt sorry for the trappers but it was humerous and educational. Others bought the lures and baits, put them in their car trunks and they were exploding left and right within a few minutes of being in the hot trunk. I remember when I was a small kid, my Dad just got done bottleing lures and they fizzed out around the caps. We both learned a lesson right then and there about proper techniques of preserving. One more thing, I believe it takes a lot more sodium benzoate to ensure fish is done working than meats. I would double the amount in fish baits. Ace (P.S. Hey Wacky, Dodo bills/eye teeth require triple amounts of preservative)

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2003, 08:00:43 AM »

WOW :shock: :shock: :shock: Boggy read a post on land trapping DANG! :shock: :shock: :shock: Now I was not after a scratch and sniff bait rather a scratch and sniff bottum on the puter srceen so as we could communicate.

I've found that the chunks only discolor on the surfaces axposed to air. (?) I have sufficient juices to almost "float" the bait...the meat below the surface will be anaerobic (no oxygen) and ferment while that one the surface will be tainted by aerobic bacteria and oxygen alone and turns grey. So to get this meat gray through and through it is not in a liquid "bath" ...the juices are drained away while tainting?

Asa, I did disolve the NaBenzoate and doubled the prescribed amount. The bait in the small qt jars all held. Two buckets held for 4 months (I checked on them regularly) then off they went. Mind you nothing was lost becuase I had only lightly tainted then to begin with. I just don't know what broke down the Na Benzoate; this seems to be the only explination since it held for a very long time.

Asa Lenon · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2003, 10:34:56 AM »

:-D Wacky: I told 'ya before WATER to dissolve the sodium benzoate and soak the bait cubes, NOT CACTUS JUICE!!! :wink: Ace

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2003, 12:35:25 PM »

Asa, this here is suppose to be a serious thread :x Ole Corey has made two post which have turned into threads and we owe him some straight answers :? So come on now give up a couple of secrets for the guy...I promise not to look

RdFx · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2003, 01:40:30 PM »

Now Wacky you sound like you could use a good dose of Aces yote super range call ! Heck even though yr blind you will catch fur using that. Someone told me the yotes in yr area take nbrs on which one will step up to the dirt hole with trap set up using Lenons lure...

Corey Hain · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2003, 02:54:30 AM »

Gee guys thanks for all the help, can't find any ground dodo bill, but i did find some rhinocerous toenails, do ya think they would work? Don't have a computer at home just at work, i was really excited to read this when i got to work this morning, after i had seen all the replies it had recieved. Thanks for all the advice guys. cya Corey

Asa Lenon · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2003, 03:54:50 AM »

Hey Corey, rhinosauaus toenails could revolutionize the way we think of animal attractors, just like dodo birds did many years ago!!!! LOL! Ace :grin:

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #20 on:** August 18, 2003, 04:36:27 AM »

Dang Corey, you blew it!

Ole Asa was up and on the puter, iffin you would have ask for more info you could have got him to give up some secrets for us I mean you!

Now ask about tainting again :wink:. Did you notice how he started with the dildo bird when I ask about the conditions (coverd / swiming in juice vs in the air) he used to get n even grey colored taint? Also did you notice how the ole RdFx stopped? You got to be tricky when you're trying to get help from these two devils

Corey Hain · « **Reply #21 on:** August 18, 2003, 04:45:27 AM »

Hey wackyquacker is old Asa pretty easy to get secrets out of first thing in the morning, i should have worked on him a little harder, but i got the dodo bill secret out in the open didn't I?

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #22 on:** August 18, 2003, 06:11:17 AM »

Nope, he's tighter than a new drum!

RdFx · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2003, 01:00:48 PM »

Corey dont pay no attention to Wacky; There are alot of reasons he is called that so take heed. I was in the lure shed stirring various concoctions and after i came out the local dogs were following me all around. Heck i didnt spill nary a drop must be the fumes, sniff, sniff oh yea theres bvr castor, and a touch of tonquin, Whoowhheee sure makes one want to lay out some steel. If you have anymore questions fire away and one of us hopefully can help you out. Maybe you can help me out with this question??? How come my nose hairs are all frizzled up and i cant smell anything when i come out of my lure shed :shock: :>)

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #24 on:** August 18, 2003, 01:26:05 PM »

Your smokin the Wacky weed to close to the end, dumby

RdFx · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2003, 01:49:08 PM »

So you admit it your wacky and the weed is named after you. I thought it was peyote buttons. Whooooo oooo ooooo. Later i have some skunks to stir Whew for sure!!!! :eek: