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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2008, 11:56:17 AM »
It doesn't look "faked" to me....

Count the steps on that ladder... I think its is an 8' ladder. Look at the barrel in the forground for reference. Yea the stooped over Lil Ole lady is behind the bear, so? Those doors don't look like std garage roll up doors to me, they look like the big ones at service stations to me. I would say they are at least 12' high. That cieling is also a tall one, who knows.. more than 12 thats fpr sure.

 I have seen a number of big animals and the way that bear is hung, by its fore leg looks completely normal to me. Bears this big get quite musle bound. I mean they are quite solid and who knows if rigor was still set or not, maybe he was frozen too??

Any way, we ALL take pics to make our animals look there best, maybe it is a favorable angle, but staged... I dont think so.

 I too have seen quite a few bears.... some years back my brother and I where hunting deer. He shot one in the AM and decided to go out and film me shooting one in the aftnoon. We headed to a good spot we knew of where blueberry's are growing. These bushes where mid thigh high, say 30". We walked down a  run to a place where three other runs crossed and went up two trees with the stands and settled in for the afternoon. About dark, we hear something.. turns out to be a bear, and its HUGE!!! I can see a full 12-18" of bear above those blueberry's and he is walking on all fours. Very beady eyes and small ears with a 24-30" diameter head. This was Pennsylvania in the early 1990's. We have the film, many watched it and have guesstimated this bear as approaching 700 pounds. I don't know they are VERY hard to estimate even for the professionals, all I know is it was HUGE!!!
 
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2008, 12:33:44 PM »
It appears to me that the picture was taken while the bear was hanging in a meat locker,as you can read the word inedible on the garbage can. The ladder is the one that will allow you to stand on the top step at 6' with the saftey rail above it there.
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2008, 01:30:42 PM »
a few years ago, a buddy was out to fill his bear tag.  one night a big bear came in, and he couldnt get a clean shot at it, but it was a big bear.  after circling the bait, the bear didnt like something and faded away.  minutes later, a small bear came into the pile, and todd shot it.  instantly he called the boys via cell to come help him get it out, and told them "i got a small one".  the boys got there, and the small bear turned out to be 409 lbs dressed.   todd says the other bear dwarfed the 409er. 
   the biggest one i ever saw looked like a 4x8 black sheet of plywood.  i have seen some bruisers, but that one was without question the absolute biggest.   

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2008, 11:06:11 AM »
The 600 lb bear shot by Racheal Gifford earlier this fall was only 10 miles away from this one!

There must be a good food source, or good genetics for huge bears in this area.

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2008, 11:50:03 AM »
The first photo does look somewhat faked.  The bears paws are hanging up and the head is up.  Normally they would be down unless rigermortis has set in, thus the large size of body to legs and head.  The second photo looks more real.  GB is right, a door is 6'8", that leaves 1' 4" to the ceiling of 8'.  Looks like 8' to me. 

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2008, 12:26:18 PM »
A huge hibernating male black bear was killed Nov. 26 in northern Dunn County when it was hit by a combine.

Neil Schlough of Boyceville was harvesting corn in a field on the Pinehurst Farm at about 7 o’clock that evening a few miles south of the Dunn/Barron county line, just off of County Road VVV, or about 22 miles north of Menomonie.

The bear was denning in the field, having dug a hole about a foot deep to lay in and pulled in debris from the corn stalks in on top of itself.

According to his wife, Phyllis, Neil came upon the bear with the outside row of his combine head and drove the outside snout into the animal’s neck and shoulder and pushed it about six or seven feet.

She said Neil felt the combine strike something and the outside snout was pushed up into the air (the combine wasn’t damaged).



 
“He stepped out of the combine and saw that he had hit an animal,” she said. “At first he thought one of our dairy steers over there had gotten out, went in the corn field, ate too much corn and died.”

But it didn’t take long for Neil to realize it was a bear, but it did take longer to realize how big it was. She said he called her and told her he thought it weighed about 300 pounds.

The DNR was called immediately and Conservation Warden Jim Cleven responded.

A skid steer was taken to the field, and the bear was lifted up so that it could be dressed out.

“With the lights ... we could see that it was a pretty big bear,” Phyllis said. “But we had no idea until the locker plant put it on a scale that it weighed as much as it did.”

The bear was taken to the Augusta Locker Plant to be prepared for mounting. It was there that the animal was first weighed and measured.

Field dressed, the bear weighed in at 618 pounds and measured 7 feet from head to tail.

The Schloughs were told at the locker that they could add 80 to 100 pounds, depending on the size animal, to reach an approximate actual weight.

“So we figure that bear had to weigh at least 700. We figure 700 to 720,” Phyllis said.

It’s too early to tell if the massive animal will break any records since the skull has to be dried for 60 days before it can be scored.

Phyllis says they believe it has the potential to break the state mark and will probably break the Dunn County record.

More common

DNR wildlife specialist Jess Carstens said, “This is a thing that, for whatever reason, is happening quite regularly that [bears] are denning up in the middle of fields — and corn fields seem to be particularly common … due to the amount of debris from harvesting the corn that’s on the ground. There’s a little more stuff to pull in on top of them as they snuggle into the hold that they’ve dug.”

Phyllis reported that they frequently see bears on their land. And she said she recently saw a sow and cub in a corn field that was being harvested.

A full-body mount

After paying $75 to keep the bear, Neil is having the bear full-body mounted by Tom Persons, owner of TP Taxidermy.

“He’s hardly ever had time to hunt or fish or anything because of farming,” Phyllis said of Neil. “ And so, he’s going to keep the bear, and he’s going to have it mounted. He’s really proud of his trophy.”

She said they were told by Persons that he’ll have to use a grizzly bear form to mount the bear because there aren’t black bear mounts big enough to do the job.

Person reportedly also believes the bear to be 15 to 20 years old, but a tooth will be pulled during the mounting process to determine its age.

According to Wikipedia.com, male bears can reach 660 pounds, but exceptionally large males can weigh up to 800 pounds.

Phyllis said Neil was recently trying to come up with a name for the huge animal that will soon occupy a large amount of space somewhere in their home.

“I thought this was kind of funny. He said, ‘I’m going to name that thing Hercules.’ ... I thought Hercules for that bear was a good name.”




http://www.dunnconnect.com/articles/2008/12/13/news/doc4942f07722b81403889572.txt

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2008, 12:27:58 PM »
GB is right, a door is 6'8", that leaves 1' 4" to the ceiling of 8'.  Looks like 8' to me. 

LMAO........

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2008, 02:43:15 PM »
For me the ladder and the barrel was the give away. Thats a reg. trash barrel and a 6' stand on ladder that measures close to 8' to the top rail. If that door is 6'8" ...I'll be very suprised, it looks much bigger to me. We have them, the barrels and ladders at work, I work with them daily.

 Bears are very hard to judge weight even for the experts. None of us see bears of that caliber with any regularity, so its easy to suspect a scam when you do se someones claim at a monster.

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2008, 03:06:20 PM »
you are right, longshot, it is hard to judge bears.  but some of us live in big bear country and see a few big bears every year.   i dont post b.s. stories, and a few about called me a liar over it. 

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2008, 03:33:21 PM »
Yep, that's a big bear.  I hunt and area north of there a bit and have come across some bigg-uns.  I have a picture of one my game camera a few years back that is quite large.  It was so fat that its legs looked about 6 inches long.  If I can find it and figure out how to upload it here I will. 

Cheese was right, there are more bears than deer in WI and they should hand out tags over the counter.  I suppose the will do that now that I have 7 preference points.

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2008, 04:34:39 AM »
the last three posts are dead on the money. 
    yes, the woman is behind the bear, not a doubt about that.  it looks like she is trying to position the ladder, or move it for reference.  believe that bear is every bit as big as it looks.  i have another photo of a bear that was killed i believe by a car, and it was a BIG bear as well.  i dont remember the intricate details of that one, it was last fall. 
 

Is this the picture of the door and 8' ceiling that everyone is arguing about?  If you read Myronman's discription, its not the same bear. 

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2008, 04:51:40 AM »
I think that un was posted as "another big bear" regardless of the true size of those bears I wouldnt want to be on the business end of either one of there arms. no bears here in southern IN but id love to hunt em one day.

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2008, 10:06:47 AM »
what?  posters that read the entire thread?  very uncommon anymore.  thanks for paying attention, guys.   :D  i feel a little better already.   
 

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Re: combine bear kill/ now for the rest of the story.....
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2009, 09:14:21 AM »
DNR: Bear was shot dead before hit by combine

By Joe Knight 
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A 57-year-old North Dakota man accused of illegally shooting a large black bear in Dunn County during November's deer gun hunting season is expected to be charged.

The bear, which may have weighed more than 700 pounds, was initially reported to have been killed by a combine.

The hunter, a former Dunn County resident, was hunting Nov. 25 on the Schlough farm, 20 miles north of Menomonie, when he shot the bear, according to the state Department of Natural Resources.

The DNR is not releasing the name of the accused shooter and other details of the case until the Dunn County district attorney files charges.

The suspected bear shooter, of West Fargo, N.D., has admitted to shooting the bear, after being interviewed by conservation wardens from North Dakota and Minnesota, according to state officials.

The Leader-Telegram reported in a Dec. 11 story that the bear had been killed by a combine the evening of Nov. 26 while it was hibernating in a field of standing corn, based on an interview with Phyllis Schlough, who owns the farm with her husband, Neil, who drove the combine.

A warden inspected the bear and, after some haggling, sold it to the Schloughs for $75. Phyllis Schlough said they intended to have it mounted.

The Schloughs are not expected to be charged with any wildlife violations, and the story they told the DNR and the media about hitting the hibernating bear with a combine may be essentially correct, said David Hausman, a warden supervisor with the DNR based in Baldwin. However, it is also clear that the bear had already been shot when Neil Schlough encountered it while harvesting corn, Hausman said.

"It was definitely dead when he hit it with the combine," he said.

The DNR has confiscated what remains of the bear from a taxidermist, including the hide and skull. An inspection of the skin showed two bullet holes, Hausman said.

The Schloughs will get their $75 back but not the rest of the bear, he said.

"The statutes state that unlawfully taken wildlife shall be retained by the state," Hausman said. Also, the DNR has a policy of using "exceptional" wildlife specimens for education or displaying them in a public place, he said.

The field-dressed bear weighed about 618 pounds when it was weighed on Thanksgiving, Phyllis Schlough said. It may have weighed more than 700 pounds when alive, which is unusually large for a black bear.

The DNR warden who inspected the bear initially didn't suspect the bear had been shot, but additional information caused wardens to take a closer look at its remains, Hausman said. The DNR will release more details after charges are filed.

A red flag for wardens was that a man hunting with the accused shooter tried to buy a bear permit the day it was shot.

"After they killed the bear, they thought they could find a permit for a bear, not knowing how the season framework works in Wisconsin," Hausman said.

By late November the state's bear season had been over for weeks, and hunters who apply for bear permits must wait for years to receive one, he said.

Bears are measured for the record book based on the dimensions of the skull, not on weight. Hausman said he expected the skull would be measured once it has gone through a required drying period.

"It is big," he said. "Whether it's a state record of some sort, we're not sure yet."

The Schloughs could not be reached for comment Thursday.
 

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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2009, 10:01:52 AM »
I'm surprised the Schloughs aren't going to be charged with something. They must have known the bear had been taken illegally and then maded up the story about the combine hitting it. It seems to me they collaborate in the crime by hiding the truth. Plus, they get their money back. Wow, who would have every dreamed it would turn out like this.
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2009, 12:14:30 PM »
I heard (for what it's worth) that the Schlough's were extensively grilled by authorities and everyone's pretty sure he ran over the bear with the combine, by accident....it just now is discovered that it was already shot.  The Schlough's have been found by the people that matter to be innocent in this whole thing.
The "hunter" from ND already admitted to shooting it.  I don't see the need by anyone to jump on the couple.
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2009, 12:44:13 PM »
I don't see the need by anyone to jump on the couple.

Well I'm not saying the couple should be jumped on but I sort of smell a conspiracy.
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2009, 03:30:55 PM »
We'll have to see how it further plays out.  I think I'm just too small town and just plain believe the old couple.  I'm usually pretty skeptical of just about everything, but in this case, I think they're telling the truth.  We'll see I guess.

I hope it's all true for them.  We don't need anymore bad publicity here in WI regarding wildlife and senseless/illegal killling (ducks vs. snowmobiles, deer vs. snowmobiles, this if the couple is in on it)   :'(
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2009, 03:43:58 PM »
I agree TribReady. I was just thinking that if a 700 lb. black bear was running on my property, maybe coming up by my house in the night, or getting into my dumpster, and I didn't have the means to deal with the problem myself, I probably wouldn't hesitate to mention the bear to a couple of hunters who might just happen to be hunting on the same property... ;) But you are right, the powers that be have made their decisions, so we should just go with that.
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2009, 01:40:57 PM »
All I know, is I have an agreement with the bears.  They don't eat me and I don't eat them.  Beginning to worry about that on their end with the increasing population :o
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2009, 06:32:41 AM »
All I know, is I have an agreement with the bears. They don't eat me and I don't eat them.  Beginning to worry about that on their end with the increasing population :o

That's a great arrangement Shucks. But like you mentioned, getting them to agree might become a problem.
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Re: combine bear kill
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2010, 06:17:23 AM »
  Regardless of the ladders, doors & garbage cans..720 pounds is still 720 pounds.

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