Oliver Stone...

[ironglow]

  Oliver Stoned...
        Makes highly fictional movies spewing hatred at our presidents, heaps abuse onto our Vietnam vets and works to smear our American way of life. Word is, he is about to make a movie praising Hugo Chavez's Marxist dictatorship!
   What ails these Hollyweird types and all who follow them like a pack of lemmings? Is their hate for America such that they will praise anyone who attempts to cast America in a negative light? Why do these denizens of the tinsel dens hate their native land so much?
  Why do they praise every Socialist/Marxist dictator so highly? They sure seem loathe to practice Socialism, since we never see any of them living austerely.. simply so they can give nearly all they have to the truly needy! They wouldn't be hypocrites, ..would they ?

[Mikey]

Hey, they're idiots.  What do you expect?  They think waitin' tables for a year or two while working (?) through acting college or school gives them the lifes experiences they need to make effective judgements.  And then they go to hollywood.........

What they don't realize is that they are already a few genes short of a full DNA strand from the start.  When you combine that with some measure of acting career success, you get to feeling a bit God-like and that's when most folks can see that the light bulb in your head burned out long before ya even got started.  We see it and we understand it - but we ain't the hollywierd types and they ain't us. 

I still think the people in kalifornika should revolt and create a new state by redrawing state lines and excluding places like LA and San Francisco - what the heck, make them free ports and have them governed by the Federal Port Authority.  Like the obama sez:  share the wealth - let them be free ports for the entire US, not just Ca.  Let the entire nation share in their prosperita.  Take the burden of supporting these entities off the backs of the Ca taxpayors and make the cities pay for themselves..... Just a thought.

[bilmac]

What is funny is that the more extreme these guys get the fewer tickets they sell, but they can keep on cranking them out. They are obviously being bankrolled by big money leftists who could care less about the bottom line. Then they get wonderful reviews by their weird buddies, and win the awards ect. ect. and still nobody is buying. Lots of bucks on lots of advertising and still nobody goes to see their movies. Lets hope the guys who are bankrolling all this go bankrupt.

[phalanx]

A Movie needs to be made Praising our own General Petraeus , Liberals have no idea how fortunate this Country is to have a leader of that caliber.
Not sense Patton has a General been so Loved by those under his Command.
Him and Governor Palin have been friends for some time now , there's a Team.

[ironglow]

  Phalanx;
  Now there IS a team..especially if things go as sour as they look like they will between now and 2012; providing the libs haven't destroyed everything by then!

[bilmac]

At one time I was a kind of move addict, for the last 10 years or so I probably don't watch a dozen a year.

[ironglow]

I maintain thjat there have been only perhaps 20 worthwhile movies produced in the last 20 years..and they all either were made by Mel Gibson or had Robert Duval in a starring role!   

[jk3006]

I don't know all the ins-n-outs of this whole mess, but I do know that our own political system (the American system) is probably every bit as corrupt as just about any on earth, even if it is mainly covertly so.  What I can't stand is people who try to portray America and its leaders/policy in a good light while demonizing the rest of the world.  I'm not suggesting that this is what you're doing.  I prefer a more balanced world view.  What our government is doing right now with the bail-outs (7.8 trillion being given to foreign banks, or are they multinational banks) as reported by the Associated Press is beyond treason.  Bush, Paulson, and Bernanke are more directly to blame for this, but nevertheless, Congress is letting them get away with it.  Sad.

  Oliver Stoned...
        Makes highly fictional movies spewing hatred at our presidents, heaps abuse onto our Vietnam vets and works to smear our American way of life. Word is, he is about to make a movie praising Hugo Chavez's Marxist dictatorship!
   What ails these Hollyweird types and all who follow them like a pack of lemmings? Is their hate for America such that they will praise anyone who attempts to cast America in a negative light? Why do these denizens of the tinsel dens hate their native land so much?
  Why do they praise every Socialist/Marxist dictator so highly? They sure seem loathe to practice Socialism, since we never see any of them living austerely.. simply so they can give nearly all they have to the truly needy! They wouldn't be hypocrites, ..would they ?

[Casull]

Bush, Paulson, and Bernanke are more directly to blame for this, but nevertheless, Congress is letting them get away with it.  Sad.

Congress is LETTING them get away with it?  CONGRESS PASSED THE DAMNED BAILOUT LEGISLATION!!!!!!!!!!!   I blame Bush for signing it, but a majority of Republicans voted against it, while a majority of democrats voted for it. 

[phalanx]

I think i dug to far this time , i didn't know this , but i had heard of it before.
It was in a book as thick as a catalog , its very sobering for sure.
Its a run down of what is expected of every American who ever even took the pledge of allegation , no wonder some guy we all know didn't.


I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Article 177 ,Amendment as to the Terms expected by the Oath and Obligation therein.


(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, civilian militias , law enforcement or government service from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.

(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.

(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States.

(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay , or Honorably discharged from Millitary service.

(5) Retired or Discharged members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force.

(6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.

(7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by a court-martial.

(8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Public Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and serving with the armed forces, having taken the oath of service and duty.

(9) Military Police involved in the guarding of Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces.

(10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field , Being a Civilian or those Sworn to serve and protect.

(11) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons serving with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces being an American citizen outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

(12) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons within an area leased by or otherwise reserved or acquired for use of the United States which is under the control of the Secretary concerned and which is outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

(b) The voluntary enlistment of any person who has the capacity to understand the significance of enlisting in the armed forces, or by takeing the oath of allegiance shall be valid for purposes of jurisdiction under subsection (a) and change of status from civilian to that of a member of the Armed Forces ,of Civilian Militia formed in order to preserve the Constitution and all laws therein.

Article 144
In each case, military and civilian Militia personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.

Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors ,or the dereliction of their duty to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States.

[S.B.]

A Movie needs to be made Praising our own General Petraeus , Liberals have no idea how fortunate this Country is to have a leader of that caliber.
Not sense Patton has a General been so Loved by those under his Command.
Him and Governor Palin have been friends for some time now , there's a Team.

Evidently, you don't know any of the troops that served under old blood and guts?
Steve

[phalanx]

Now Your not going to like this at all.
Get ready because this is the law ,and Obama knows this.
Obama has broken no laws ,nor has he been treasonous or guilty of sedition.
He can not be accused nor charged in anything he has done so far.
Any Law suite against him is invalid.
SCOTUS knows this even if they don't like it.
We have broken the law ,US ,in this forum and on the streets, and by our very talk.

Obama is not a US citizen , he hasn't taken the Pledge or any oath that we have seen.
He is not required to go by the Constitution.
He is not a SPY , we invited him in and gave him our Capital out right in the open.
He is not required to tell you the truth ,or recognize your rights.
He can bring in and appoint who ever he wants ,when he wants.
Obama doesn't have to even recognize the office of the presidency ,nor the ranks of our military law.

If Arrested on anything it isn't a valid arrest.
Even if you arrest him for what he should be arrested for ,he is to be given all rights relating to the Care and Detention of a POW.
NOW ,do you get it ?? we are doing this all wrong and the founding Fathers are screaming ( WAKE UP STUPID ).
America , you pull up your  pants and you go by Articles 4 ,17 ,33 ,105 ,177 ,211 .
You order Admiral Mullen's to Arrest this man , along with anyone having anything at all to do with him or his policy's.
If they are Americans then you instruct LE to hold them as Traders and Spy's, under Articles 55 ,71 ,66.

Bush and Congress are to be relived of their duty's , Mullen's is to institute Provisional martial law.
Any Civilian in possession of a Firearm is to report to indoctrination centers ,and be given orders on where and what they are ordered to do.
Like it or not Gentleman we were invaded , we were warned that they would take us without firing a shot.
We were told they would destroy us from within ,using our own laws.
We also were told we would cower like baby's not knowing what has even happened to us.

If the founding fathers were here today they would know, and see exactly what is going on .
And they would say get off your ass and do what you are ordered to do.
Or cry ,and enjoy what you have sewn.

John Roberts  ,AKA , Ferret.
Topeka Kansas 
Ret, Army JAG Officer, rank withheld for reason of Rights

[S.B.]

How do you know he hasn't broken any laws, do you work for his camp? Everyone said that about Blagojevich also but, he was arrested on federal charges.
Steve

[phalanx]

I didn't say this JAG officer said it.
Now corruption and things like that sure ,i believe what he is referring to is the law suites that were filed about him not being vetted.
That would be on those who allowed that to happen ,not showing his BC isn't a crime ,and the DNC could produce anything ,if we believe it then it also isn't a crime.
That may be the reason that SCOTUS isn't hearing these allegations ,because we were the ones who did it.
Obama Himself hasn't done anything ,Rev. Wright swore him into every Gov. service job he had.
The FBI stopped the investigation because Obama isn't a citizen and if he is guilty that comes under a different set of Laws.
He has never been in the Millitary ,no one has seen him swear Allegiance , come to think of it he has never even stated Allegiance.
The laws here he has to conform to are the same as you and i , running for the Presidency if he is allowed to isn't breaking the law himself.
Granting you your rights isn't anything he has to do ,he can agree with doing that, but Pelosi and her crony's are doing a good job of it.
His name isn't appearing on any document of fraud if he believes he is here for a different reason.
Hitler could have rolled into your Town ,shot the Mayor , tossed out all its laws ,made you turn in your guns and not acknowledge your rights at all.
Does this make him a criminal ? not in Germany ,here he is a Combatant and you lost.
This makes the people of that town and our Government the ones, who by not lifting a finger to stop him the ones who broke the law.
The Constitution says we have a right and a duty to throw out any Government that doesn't follow the Law.
That is Congress , the Executive Branch and legislative.
Our Founding Fathers thought we would be smart enough to recognize a force like Obama and they made laws for US to obey so this wouldn't happen.
Obama cant be even charged by the Hague , we invited him in ,we allowed this ,no declaration of war was made .
Americans don't laugh ,this is how serious this is ,and they thought this whole thing out over many years.

[ironglow]

  Steve;
  I did know someone who served directly under old "blood & guts"..that being Geo S. Patton. My uncle seved under him in north Africa and half way up the Italioan penninsula. My uncle said that the troops didn't "like" him , but they greatly respected him and his tactical savvy.
  Perchance you were referring to Gen Petraeus, I know several who have served under him and they GREATLY respect his abilities. Not only the troops, but also much opf the military worldwide. He is considered the leading expert on counter-insurgency warfare..

  http://washingtonindependent.com/1433/king-david

[S.B.]

In my youth, I knew and worked with several who served under Patton and more than one told me they would have willingly shot the bastard, if given the chance. He was considered a waster of living men for personal glory.
Steve

[billy_56081]

  What can I say Ollie is a hate America first puke, who has done nothing in his life. He like some here will make up, say or do anything to make America look bad to the rest of the world. What a sad loser he is and what is so much sadder is that he has loser followers who take his b movies as truth.