Author Topic: pogo stakes, time for a change (Read 656 times)

mattjones298 · « **on:** August 17, 2003, 03:51:26 PM »

i`m a hard headed trapper, it`s hard to change my mind on anything i think i`m right about. i have been running desposable stakes for several seasons now in ground that i can. i run the berkshire`s and the bullet type on snares and paw catch traps alike. well the pogo guy was putting on a demo at the nta, and i almost walked away. well i`m glad that i stayed.

if you have ever tried to pull an inch and a 1/2 washer out of a foot of clay ground by hand, then you know what i`m talking about. this pogo anchor is something else now, it`s by far the best rig i have ever seen and i got to give credit where credit`s due.....take a look at it boys, it`s a fine rig....matt

cheap to, and i aint gettin paid to say it

Big B · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2003, 04:00:25 PM »

I watched His demo also Matt and bought a driver. You should have heard about the guy that whacked himself in the head with the driver at the western NTA one of the guys was telling us about it , so we asked Pogo. He proceeded to tell us about all the blood and the 4" gash in the guys forhead, then Pogo ran to his truck and got his surgical stapler and held the guy down and stapled him up!!!. I asked him if the guy bought the pogo system, he just laughed and said he gave him one. Then I asked him why he had a surgical stapler in his truck, he said well you never know when you might need one. It was the best laugh I'd had in a long time.....B.....

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2003, 06:57:48 PM »

I started using the washer anchors last season. Never saw one of Pogo's. Well they do hold! I had some problems in frozen ground... a couple pulled out real easy after the thaw. Well, if I'd had the imagination / insight of Pogo and would have used a "J" rivet to attach the cable to the washer (which causes the washer to turn every time) I would not have had those problems. I'd say ole Pogo done went and built a better mouse trap...good show!

mattjones298 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2003, 04:07:40 AM »

wackyquacker, i dont think a man will have much luck with any type desposable in frozen ground. the bullet type works well if you just keep pounding. unless i already have an established coyote line pounded in when the freeze comes, i just cant make much money chopping out frozen trap beds. i`m better off to go where it aint froze. i dont mind a 2 or 3 inch crust but deep frozen ground aint for me. i`m better off if it`s like that to snare coyotes over bait in the thickets. if you put up 10 or 15 5 gallon buckets full of deer meat or beaver, and just let it sit awile in the fall, then dump 1/2 a five gallon bucket to a thicket and smear it around. you`ll be so busy skinning you wont need foot traps. man i`m getting the feaver bad....matt

if someone is reading this that aint snared over bait, dont be a tightwad with your snares. hang 8 or 10 in there, i like mine from15 to 40 feet away, and not much farther. try it you`ll like it

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2003, 04:32:57 AM »

Matt, I agree with you but let me explain a bit further. Our ground, in most places doesn't hold water that long in the upper layers. Therefore, our freezing pattern is, when moisture is present

: deep froozen hangs around till the sprinig thaw, surface freezes every night and thaws by noon at the latest (except the north slopes). Many do not realize that here in the high deserts of NM we often have a 30 too 40 degree daily temperature swing...makes for great sleepin in the hot summers. :grin:

My problem came with the poor design of my washer anchors. :oops: I ran the gable through the center hole and knocked a ferrule on to hold the washer. When I drove them in and set them the washer did not always turn flat; there was no lever effect like you get from Pogos "J" rivet. Now they most often turned and held well. However, in soils that had a, how can I say it, semi deep frost line the froozen ground made it seem that the washer had turned and set the anchor. After the thaw if the washer hadn't turned they pulled. :eek: Talk about a pucker; go to pull traps and they come out with one hand

I was using them on walk in snare lines and even had a Grey fox pull a snare with a tensioned lock...I did get the fox.

If a fellow uses the Pogo system this problem is gone...the washer just has to turn since there is no bend made in the cable and the "J" rivet acts as a lever arm pulling the washer flat.

Horn · « **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2003, 09:25:42 AM »

Matt, Glad that you found the Pogo stakes and driver, I have been using one for a little over 10 years. I have been more that happy with it. If you want to use it in frozen ground or on Ice use a 1/2 in rebar stake to drive a pilot hole then drive your washer in the hole.
I use 2 inch washers for my water sets on the bottom of slide wires, on long chain beaver sets, snares, You name it.
If you like pulling on those 1 1/2 inch wahsers try a 2 incher. LOL

Mike

mattjones298 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2003, 05:08:00 PM »

good post, wackyquacker, interesting about your weather and freezing. here the freeze is from the top down, sometimes you can take an axe and chop on each side of where ya want a dirthole and pop out the hole chunk of frozen ground. if ya catch it just right its faster then digging the whole set out. just another cool thing about yote trapping

horn, if i`m stupid, and trap 10 dollar and 31 cent worked up coon again, i`m going to try the 2 inchers out. thanks for the tip.....matt

foxtail · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2003, 05:45:47 PM »

Matt, I see that you are only about an hour from Hoptown.
I assume that you have the same terrible red crap dirt/clay that ft. Campbell has?
I never saw the groung freeze more than a thin crust there.

mattjones298 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2003, 07:08:17 PM »

foxtail, from about dawson springs south you get into that red clay, and from hoptown west to murray it`s like that. now here in the ohio river valley, it`s the brown clay without the pee gravel in it. now across the river in ill. it`s alot darker more loamie richer ground, very nice to work with.

as for the weather, heck that`s anyones guess. i`ve seen the ponds freeze a foot thick and stay that way for 2 months, and i`ve seen it warm and rainy all winter long and not much more then an inch on them. it sure would be nice to know before hand. did you ever sell fur to bob deck in hoptown? he`s a good friend of mine....matt

foxtail · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2003, 08:31:26 PM »

Nope, couldn't trap there. Was at Ft Campbell and it would have been irresponsible to attempt to trap while in the unit that I was in. They would just up and volunteer you to go on some duty for 6 weeks. I guess that I was a little too reliable, kept getting babysitting duty. But stuff got done though. Never got to find any fur related anything while I was there. Except for Tom's Trapper's inn. This was out the back gate about 30 miles.