stuck 223 case

[Dirty Tiger]

I was shooting some newly acquired barrels yesterday and had a 223 round stick. The barrel wouldn't open fully, so I removed the fore end  pushed out the pin and removed the barrel. When I got home I tried to tap it out with a cleaning rod, no luck. I know Wolf isn't high end stuff and won't be using it anymore, so please no scoldings. What would you advise me to do to remove that stinking case? One more quick one: 454 rounds will chamber in my 45/410 barrel, do I dare pull the trigger?

[yooper77]

I never tried Wolfe ammo in my Encore 223 Remington pistol or rifle barrels, but is it the steel lacquered cases or brass cases?  If its that stuck then have a gun smith remove it.

The 454 Casull answer is easy, if the barrel doesn't say 454 Casull on the side of the barrel then don't load it or pull the trigger.

yooper77

[Tommyt]

 I would try the same method as pulling one from a die
You take and Tap/tread the Primer hole and find something like a Socket that will touch the barrel and not the stuck round then stack washers and what ever to hold the Pulling Screw and thread out the Stuck Case
I am terrible at writing do a search on Stuck Case's reload and there is a Good written way to do it
Good luck
Tommyt

 oops
I also would not pull the trigger on the 454 till I asked around more

[bagdadjoe]

Ouch!  Don't pull the trigger unless you want to wear your TC.  That's why they chamber Encore's for 'em and not Contenders.  Of course, if you want to destroy your TC without destroying yourself, you could try getting behind a barrier and use the 100 foot long string trick.  But then, it can be tricky getting the string around the cocked TC trigger without accidently setting it off before you clear the area.
Hey, I know...get an Encore and be happy!!!!
As far as the stuck case, I believe I'd pour some good quality penetrating fluid down the muzzle and let it set for a couple of days then try tapping it out.  It can't hurt anything except the casing if you tap it firmly, yet gently.  You don't want to whale on it and cause the rod to bend inside the bore and drive it into the rifling.  If this doesn't succeed I'd try plan B as described in the other post.  I don't think I'd ever shoot a steel casing in any quality firearm.   Maybe the Russian's tolerances let 'em get away with it.
Good luck, hope you get it back soon.

[spinafish]

its the lacquer that the problem..melted upon firing, then cooled down to make a nice glued in case.  I would try a hair dryer or maybe an industrial type heat gun..heat the chamber area while putting pressure on the case with wood dowel.  In my mind's eye I see inserting the rod into the empty case, then putting the other end on the floor..while heating the chamber area you could be putting downward pressure on the barrel to see if the case would pop out.  and do not fire the .454 in your .45/.410 barrel..a 460 S&W will fit also..don't shoot that cartridge in that barrel either!

[DEACONLLB]

What I found on those steel cases that they will not auto eject on my mossberg ssi-1 but I was very lucky as the ejector pulled it a little while still warm and I was able to get hold of it with a set of pliers, no more of those for me. If it is not brass it does not go in any of my guns. As has been said warming it a little may do the trick,good luck
Deaconllb

[R.W.Dale]

its the lacquer that the problem..melted upon firing, then cooled down to make a nice glued in case. 

so a single shot from contender  gets the chamber hotter than a FA assault rifle or my ar15 after a rapid fire stage gimmie a break.

I'll bet if you dropped a section of steel cleaning rod through the bore with the bbl held upright the offending case will pop right out apoun impact

[Dirty Tiger]

Thanks for all the tips. I'll tell you how it played out. The easiest thing was to try the tap on the cleaning rod  trick, nothing happened, tapped a little harder to the point that the cleaning rod was starting to flex into the rifling a bit so i stopped that one. Tried the heat, industrial heat gun ,got it fairly warm still nothing. I've been in the autobody trade for the past 37 years and rembered that lacquer is always redisolved by its own solvent. So I poured some lacquer thinner down the tube and let it soak then tried the rod and mallet routine, still stuck. Just about ready to try the drilling and tapping of the primer pocket when I remembered my inductor. It's a device that uses magnetic frequency to heat metal. i just put the attachment on for heating frozen nuts, warmed it up to the point that it was a little too hot to touch tapped it with the cleaning rod and came right out.

[Tommyt]

BINGO 

Necessity the mother of Invention 

[Ladobe]

... One more quick one: 454 rounds will chamber in my 45/410 barrel, do I dare pull the trigger?

I'm sure glad you asked first.   But really, since you had to ask you might ought to look into a different hobby.   

[Dirty Tiger]

Nice comment, seems the biggest error I made was not confirming weather or not contenders were chambered for 454. You might wan't to limit the sarcasm especially since you know nothing about me or my background in this "hobby" Good health to you ladobe.

[Keith L]

I guess I didn't read it as sarcasm, but concern.  He doesn't want you to blow yourself up.  I would hope that there are those here who would make sure you got the right advice, but it is always better on things like this to do some research on your own.

Another reason not to like the 45/410 barrels.

[Ladobe]

Nice comment, seems the biggest error I made was not confirming weather or not contenders were chambered for 454. You might wan't to limit the sarcasm especially since you know nothing about me or my background in this "hobby" Good health to you ladobe.

So much for using ("smileys") to indicate a tongue in cheek comment.   

No I don't know you.   And you don't know me.   Keith does.

The intent of my post was to applaud you for asking first, and to tease you a little for having to ask.   IOW, if it doesn't have 454 Casull stamped on the barrel along with 45/410...   

You have my apology, and silence.

[Dirty Tiger]

My bad ladobe,maybe i took seriously something you said in jest. Does any body restamp a reamed out  chamber to indicate the new improved chamber? The handy rifle guys are all over reaming 45/70 to 45/90 and on it goes. Some body was using 11 milimeter  european brass to create a longer round to fire in the 45/ 410  barrel. Alot of what gets done in this sport requires a certain amount of judgement. My 460 s& w barrel says nothing about 45lc, but it's ok to pull that trigger. I know going down in power is always going to safer than the opposite. Anyway thanks again.

[mcwoodduck]

There is a difference between 223 and 5.56 in chambr pressure.  I asked one of the T/C guys at the club why the Fed stuff was having problems and he explained that the contender was rated for 223 but not 556 even though in the AR and most rifles thay are the same outside. 
In shooting my 223 I can see pressure signs in the 5.56 ammo by federal that I use in my AR and none in the Remington varmint ammo I use in the M700.  It is not a Federal thing as I tried some of their non military stuff and it worked great.
Best thing I can tell you is; if it has a FMJ bullet in it it is loaded to 5.56 specs and if it has a Hollow point or soft point it is loaded to 223 specs and is safe to shoot in your T/C.
Getting the case out.  I would use some penitrating oil and an old soda bottle. 
Cut the top off the soda bottle, prop the barrel up in it with the breach in the bottle and pour penitrating oil down the barrel and some more around the breach to cover the round.
The idea is to allow the oil to get inbetween the case and the chamber and also to get into the case and foul the powder so you can use a cleaning rod and dowel to tap out the case.  I would let the case sit for a couple days.  A week would be better.
With the 454 Casull.  NO. 

[Curtis]

Does any body restamp a reamed out  chamber to indicate the new improved chamber?

I have a 14 inch Contender barrel that was rechambered to 7-30 Waters from 7mm TCU.  The new designation is very professionally etched just under the original with a straight line strike through the original.  I don't know who did the rechamber, I bought the barrel at a gun show.

Curtis