Author Topic: 1911 vs DA (Read 2082 times)

jamaldog87 · « **on:** December 19, 2008, 10:52:44 AM »

what are some of the good points of the 1911 vs a new DA 45acp? If i had to choose i would take the new DA 45 because i can carry more ammo(15 rounds of 45acp) and i like to carry cock and locked.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #1 on:** December 19, 2008, 11:43:34 AM »

The 1911 is very durable hard to stop one and if you need more than 8 rounds your probably in alot more trouble than you need to be in. I'd be looking for a way out. Mag changes are easy anyway. As for carrying cocked a 1911 is the safest pistol there is to do so, I carry mine with the hammer cocked It cannot fire unless you are holding pressure on the grip saftey. Its one of the fastest first shots there is.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2008, 05:36:21 AM »

nothiing in a handgun is easier to point and shoot accurately to me then a 1911. Precision shooting is about out of the question with a da. there fine for self defense but thats about it. You can also buy a 1911 for 600 bucks that will probably shoot into close to an inch at 25 yards and i dont know of any other guns in that price range that will. As to safety. Any gun is only as safe as its operator and the only way to be safe is to practice and get used to your gun and a 1911 is no harder to learn then any other gun.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2008, 08:22:19 AM »

Good response Loyd, I would like to add, I bought new a Rock Island Arm Mil spec 1911, It will shoot about one inch groups, I did have to polish the feed ramp some. It shoots very well $349.00 List price from center Fire System. You can get one fixed up some for $399.00, Good buts IMHO.

teddy12b · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2008, 09:25:17 AM »

If you don't like single stacked (8 round) 1911's there is another option our there made by Para Ordnance called the P-14. I used to have one and it shot great! I've also owned a springfield xd 45acp and it also shot amazingly well especially for being a 4" gun. I've thought about buying another 1911 just because. There's also an abundance of good magazines & accessories out there for those guns.

Go with whatever fits your hand the best and what you feel you can control. Like it was already said, if 8 rounds of 45ACP won't do what you need, you better be able to run like the wind. You couldn't go wrong with either, you just have less rounds to make count with the 1911.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2008, 09:34:54 AM »

"As to safety. Any gun is only as safe as its operator."

Lloyd did sum it up perfectly.

Cheese

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2008, 09:56:22 AM »

LS +
better than a flame thrower for carry also !

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2008, 11:37:58 AM »

I still like having more ammo if need be and i like the glocks and springfield-armory XD compact because there 4'' or less. also i like the safety of DA because weird things sometimes happen. I just asking what are some of the pros and cons of the 1911 handguns.

teddy12b · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2008, 04:24:45 PM »

Pro's: Everyone likes them and for good reason. They shoot straight and are powerful.

Con: Only 8 rounds.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #9 on:** December 23, 2008, 07:52:30 AM »

not a con. a reason to have 2

teddy12b · « **Reply #10 on:** December 23, 2008, 10:32:07 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on December 23, 2008, 07:52:30 AM

not a con. a reason to have 2

Fair enough, 8 rounds isn't really a con. At the time it was made it was high capacity, but by today's standards there are higher capacities to be had.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #11 on:** December 26, 2008, 01:30:43 PM »

I bought a 15 round mag for my 1911 just for fun, If you shoot slow it works fine but the thing is longer than the pistol is, I also have a rhineland arms kit on a mauser the 15 rounder works great on the bolt action, Maybe I need one of those 25 round drums.

Smilin' Jack · « **Reply #12 on:** December 28, 2008, 02:26:02 PM »

I have two 1911's, a Colt and a Springfield. I also have a .40 Hi-Power. All three of course being single-action. I love single-action pistols.

I also have several great double-action pistols which I love ... but I can't say I love the double action.

I find however my companion pistol is always a DA pistol. The reason I suppose is that it's smaller and I'm just more comfortable with it.

If I was making the choice that you are specifying in .45 Caliber ACP only ... I would purchase the 1911. I don't think I want to handle a smaller, lighter, polymer, DA pistol chambered in .45 ACP.

Or, probably ANY of the Non-1911 .45 pistols I've seen out there.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #13 on:** December 29, 2008, 03:25:49 AM »

some of the most compact and light 45,40s ane even 9s are 1911 guns. I had a kimber cdp compact with an alloy frame and a 3 inch barrel that was easier to conseal then any of the black guns. Ran like a top too. Now springfield is making there reduced sized gun in 9 40 and i think they are or are going to make them in 45gap. This gun is about the size of an average 380. Thing about any 1911 is there flat. they have a narrower cross section then about any other gun. It makes it possible to even easily conseal a full sized 5 inch gun if you use an in the waist band holster. My favorite 1911 and one i foolishly sold was another cdp kimber. that one had a officers grip frame and a 4 inch barrel. the 4 inch gun was easier to shoot accurately then the 3 inch one and with the small grip frame it conseals as well as it doesnt really matter what barrel lenght you use if it stuck in your pants anyway.

Quote from: jamaldog87 on December 22, 2008, 11:37:58 AM

I still like having more ammo if need be and i like the glocks and springfield-armory XD compact because there 4'' or less. also i like the safety of DA because weird things sometimes happen. I just asking what are some of the pros and cons of the 1911 handguns.

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 29, 2008, 11:14:08 AM »

yes, i see

i still like a DA only for carry every day but that just me. I had a hawes federal marshal and a Beretta 1934 .380 i used to carry it for hunting. the Beretta i carry it with a round in the barrel and just cock the hammer back when i got ready to shoot. so, i guess i am used to cocked and locked. I just did not think about that gun as a single action.

thanks for the the ideas on the 1911.

S.B. · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2008, 02:09:17 AM »

Accuracy isn't the strong point of any defence gun, reliability is! Buy a gun that shoot every time you pull the trigger. Don't confuse them with match grade pistols. Can you imagine standing in front of an opponent with a jam in your double action .45 ACP? Gun fights are generally at 3-7 yards(9-21 feet), even I could accurately throw 3 lbs. of steel that far?
Steve

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2008, 02:21:16 AM »

Quote from: jamaldog87 on December 29, 2008, 11:14:08 AM

the Beretta i carry it with a round in the barrel and just cock the hammer back when i got ready to shoot. so, i guess i am used to cocked and locked.

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DA are no faster for the first shot,and usally have a bad trigger pull compared to a 1911. I carry my 1911 cock and locked as you put it, a round in the tube and the hammer cocked, You can do this with a 1911 because of the grip saftey. Always ready to shoot and with a better trigger than most DAs

v-man · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2008, 11:31:02 AM »

Like many of you I have or have had several of each and it seems like I get all giddy about whichever one is in my hand at the time. They're all just way too cool! Do I have a problem?

sweet45 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2009, 05:45:54 AM »

I will never buy another large caliber S&W revolver again, unless they make a better lockup on the crane.
I had two 629 classics which had worn out from shooting heavy loads.
I load my own ammunition, and for me, the Ruger redhawk fills the bill.
The 629 starts out sweet but quickly fades, while the Redhawk rocks steady. I don't have any experience
with the S&W 45acp revolvers, but I'd be willing to bet that the 1911 will take many more rds.

S.B. · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2009, 08:43:11 AM »

sweet45, I've got to be on my(at least) 15th one now and never have had the problems you talk about? What is your load?
Steve

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2009, 09:10:00 AM »

Sweet45 , had same problem with a mod 29 custom DX . Had 2 new S&W 45 acp revolvers and one 1937 copy of the 1917 revolver . No problems with new ones old one was worn out . I will admit i also shot 6 hot loads in the 29 that killed it . The same loads that i have shot 1000's of in redhawks and blackhawks . The S&W is a nice gun but the Ruger is stronger .

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2009, 09:13:25 AM »

my load was / is 25 gr. h-110 , 240 gr. hp/xtp

S.B. · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2009, 12:06:31 PM »

Problems have too much pressure for the N frames.
Steve

sweet45 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2009, 01:38:01 PM »

S.B. The loads for my 629's were 23 grns of H110 with a 240gr bullet. I love the old Smiths, but my heavy
loads bring me back to the Redhawk. Too bad S&W doesn't still use the tripple lock.

S.B. · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2009, 02:24:43 PM »

Most of the loads that are for Redhawks only are excessive according to SAMMI standards? Probably not doing your Redhawk any good either. I don't think it's a problem with the cylinder but, the design of the N frame Smiths, it's over one hundred years old now? A lot of very small parts in there. Bill Ruger's design isn't without it faults also, one spring runs the whole gun, hence, no way to get the trigger pulls down in weight.
Steve

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** February 03, 2009, 02:56:26 AM »

The S&W's are old that's why Ruger built a new gun instead of a copy . That said the 1911 is also pushing 100 years and now the 460 rowland and other powerful rounds are being added . This shows how ahead of its time the 1911 really was . As for 7-8 rounds ( there are 14 round aval. ) . Its not that the high caps are better , the 1911 came along when marksmanship was the hallmark of someone who depended on the handgun for self defense . Today there are still such people but with hollywood and such the spray and pray crowd has gained acceptace .
The bottom line is if after a shot or two you have either ended the battle or you had better be behind good cover . To stand in the open and unload a mega. round mag. could get you killed .
For most the 1911 points good , the trigger is conductive to good shooting ( yes in a combat gun accy. is not as important as in a target gun but to start with a accurate gun does not hurt ). All 1911's i have owned were dependable until someone %#@$#@ with it or tried to use ammo that it was not designed to function with ( lets be honest you should pick a system , you use the correct oil and gas for your truck or you pay a price why is your gun different ? ), others have stated they are thin ( it matters ) The grips are well grips they don't hold in/on important parts ( the gun will work with out them ) .

THEY LOOK GOOD ! THEY FEEL GOOD IN THE HAND ! AND THEY ARE GOOD !

And last when time matters which gun can be fired faster ?
Don't waste time bringing up S&W's guru of speed with a revolver , saw him work a 1911 , well kind of it was tooooo fast to take it all in !

Hank08 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2009, 05:33:09 AM »

Most all "gun people" would pick the 1911 yet for the "average person" the double is better
(safer), having taught in a police academy I know it takes more experience (training) to safely
operate a 1911 than a double action. That's why most police forces use doubles, policemen are average people not "gun people". Having shot IPSC for 20 yrs. and NRA Bullseye for almost that long I can say for speed and accuracy nothing can keep up with the 1911.
Anyone who has to ask for the pros and cons is probably an average person and would be better served by a double action. Just my thoughts on the subject.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2009, 10:39:28 AM »

we hear that all the time about the revolver , said it myself . but what are we really saying ? you don't have to be as safe with a revolver ? you are to stupid to use an auto ? the military must only induct smart people that are gun nuts . One could counter that the extra effort needed to run a 1911 makes it safer .
What you posted may very well be true , but it is scary ain't it ?

teddy12b · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2009, 10:45:23 AM »

The simplicity of a revolver scares me. If it's loaded, all you do is pick it up and pull the trigger. At least a 1911 has some cocking, or safeties. Both are dangerous no matter how you look at it and there should be just as much training for either one now matter what.

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 06, 2009, 10:57:32 AM »

Quote from: Hank08 on February 05, 2009, 05:33:09 AM

Most all "gun people" would pick the 1911 yet for the "average person" the double is better
(safer), having taught in a police academy I know it takes more experience (training) to safely
operate a 1911 than a double action. That's why most police forces use doubles, policemen are average people not "gun people". Having shot IPSC for 20 yrs. and NRA Bullseye for almost that long I can say for speed and accuracy nothing can keep up with the 1911.
Anyone who has to ask for the pros and cons is probably an average person and would be better served by a double action. Just my thoughts on the subject.

they why i like double action over single action. But the 1911 is good but like all guns it could be made better.

i did read somewhere that the United States Marine Corps, MEU(SOC) and reconnaissance units used the 1911 but there were some problems and there keep there guns with a round in the tube with the hammer down. one thing i like about the DA guns is that you can ride cocked and lock in safety. also with a revolver you can see if it's loaded or not and you know just to open and dump with a revolver. When i first showed my girlfriend a gun it was a revolver and she even know(she never had used or like guns) how to check if loaded or not. at the store were i work somethere has both a S&W 44 and a 1911, well he was cleaning his guns and he thought the 1911 was unloaded(mag was out and he thorhigth he had clear it) we it was not and he has a scar form a 45JHP in his arm. I think a DA 1911 is the best of both worlds.