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Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« on: December 21, 2008, 03:59:27 AM »
Anyone have any experience with this combination?

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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2008, 06:44:05 AM »
No one here seem to have any answers to my question so I emailed Lyman and got a response from them.  I have copied that response below:

> Question: I have purchased a Lyman Mustang Breakaway. My question is: Can I
> safely use the new Blackhorn 209 powder put out by Western Powders?

> Answer: Hi, You should be fine with the new powder in the Mustang.

>Lyman customer service


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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2008, 10:29:03 AM »
I've been watching your post for a response Bluegunner, hoping someone would have a report.  I have a Mustang also and have been wondering how BH would perform in it.  I'll probably give it a try after the end of hunting season when I have more time to spend on the range.  But DANG, I hate to pay the price for that stuff.
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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008, 04:06:01 PM »
Semisane,

Would be interested in hearing your experiences with the Mustang.  What have you been using?  What's worked best for you?
I will be going to the range as soon as we get a half decent day (Minnesota has had subzero temperatures and extra cold wind chills) and will report back on my results with Blackhorn 209.

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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 06:13:31 PM »
OK Bluegunner, you asked for it.  So here goes.  :D

First off, let me say I really like the gun and will never get rid of it.  The Mustang is a well built rock solid gun with good fit and finish, but it's no target rifle.  I love the top lever latch and sliding safety.  It fits me well and it's just one of those guns that "looks right" to me.  Its worst feature is its trigger.  Mine had a lot of take-up with a long crunchy creep, but broke clean at the end.  I had to work it over to get it to my satisfaction, but it's still heavier than what I would like.

My gun will shoot many load combination with acceptable hunting accuracy - around three inch groups at 100 yards - but I've not been able to get those famous "one hole groups".  My best load will stay within an inch and a half or so at 100 yards.  That load is a 300 grain Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point (#3974) over 120 grains of FFG Triple Seven (or 105 grains FFFG).  That's my hunting load.  I'm sighted in one inch high at 100 yards and it hits six inches low at 175 yards, which is the farthest I can shoot in my hunting area.   I like heavy bullets for hunting.

I bought my Mustang in Feb. `07, and have shot close to a thousand rounds out of it.  I like to experiment, and have shot .451 and .452 bullets in 250 and 300 grain weights in a number of different sabots,  several jacketed and lead .458 bullets in MMP orange sabots,  Lee REAL bullets, heavy Bullshop and No Excused conicals, Great Plains bullets in 385 and 410 grains, and probably a few others that I don't recall at the moment.  I've shot loads with GOEX, Pyrodex, Triple Seven, and Jim Shockey's Gold powder.  I would not hesitate to hunt with about 1/3 of the loads I've tried.  I converted my ignition from 209s to .25 ACP, and find the ACPs cleaner.  I also use Teflon tape on my breech plug, rather than grease.  I've never had any difficulty removing the plug with the tape and it sure is cleaner than grease.

One thing I will caution you on.  Be sure to clean and oil the internals of the action (trigger group, firing pin, etc.) after any extensive shooting.  I use a spray can of carburetor cleaner from O'Rileys Auto Parts.  Put the plastic tube in all of the nooks and crannies and blast away to get the crud out from any blow back.  Then spray some oil in there.

      Have you had enough yet???  :D :D :D

If you want to do a little reading on some of my load experiments, here are some links to my posts on the HNI Black Powder forum.  Most have target pictures in them.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2154935&mpage=1&key=Mustang&#2154935

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2849380&mpage=1&key=Mustang&#2849380

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2878971&mpage=1&key=Mustang&#2878971

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2692410&mpage=1&key=Mustang&#2692410

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2153706&mpage=1&key=Mustang&#2153706

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2531391&mpage=1&key=Mustang&#2531391




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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2008, 02:32:43 AM »
Semisane,

Wow! That great!  I really appreciate the information and will be following the links you left to gather as much info as possible.
As you are probably aware, this is my first experience with a black powder gun and as yet I have not fired it.  Although I have hand loaded for my rifles and shotguns for years I am a nimrod when it comes to a smoke pole.
I have learned after 60+ years that there is much to be learned from those who have experience and by listening I can save myself a lot of mistakes, so any info that you wish to share with me would be appreciated.  Thanks again! 
One last bit of infomation & a question:  I have scoped the Mustang with a 2X8 40mm Leupold and plan to take a hog or two in Texas late January.  Please explain converting inginition from 209 to .25ACP?

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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2008, 03:46:41 AM »
I've been watching your post for a response Bluegunner, hoping someone would have a report.  I have a Mustang also and have been wondering how BH would perform in it.  I'll probably give it a try after the end of hunting season when I have more time to spend on the range.  But DANG, I hate to pay the price for that stuff.


Oh,  I am SO telling on YOU ;D ;D :D ;)


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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2008, 07:13:36 AM »
Now, now Lane:D  I guess everyone on HNI knew I was gonna try Blackhorn sooner or later.  My greatest fear is that it will shoot great out of the Mustang, and I'll have to put up with Cayugad's snickering.
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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2008, 07:26:58 AM »
Semisane, I wasnt gonna let the cat out of the bag
I dont care what gun Im using as long as Im hunting

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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2008, 07:43:15 AM »
I knew you were a geltlemen Burntmuch.

Hey Bluegunner, there's info on .25 ACP breech plugs in two stickies at the top of this forum page.  I had a post out there somewhere with "before and after" pictures of the breech plug conversion, but can't find it right now.  I did find the following posts related to the topic.

http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7000&highlight=acp+breech+plub

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3181796&mpage=1&key=acp%2cbreech%2cplug&#3182515
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Re: Lyman Mustang Breakaway & Blackhorn 209
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2008, 12:17:24 PM »
Found it! Thanks!