Why another 30 Remington ?

[jedman]

Remington has a new cartridge out for there R-15 rifle they are calling the .30 Remington.
It is the .450 Bushmaster necked down to 30 cal. and is reported to launch a 125 gr. bullet @ 2800 FPS.  Remington already has a cartridge with the name 30 Remington ( A rimless 30-30 ) that's been around for nearly 100 years, it makes little sense to me for a company to have 2 cartridges with the same name but completely different from each other ?
Similar but different to idea Remington had for having 2 names for 1 cartridge,  280 Remington and the Remington 7 MM Express.                  Jedman

[billy_56081]

That is stupid.

[Syncerus]

I wonder what "problem" they were trying to solve? Why would I want to pay $40/box for ammo, when I can buy surplus 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 ammo anywhere? AH HA! That's the problem they were trying to solve ...

[bilmac]

Don't forget the 244 and 6mm Rem.

[Siskiyou]

Billy_56081
 
I will add to you remark, stupid + stupid.  Hopefully that does not = the new Remington?

There are still a lot of old Remington rifles around in the real .30 Remington cartridge.  They may not sell a lot of cartridges, but they exist. 

I can see somebody inheriting great-grandpa’s old Model 141 in .30 Remington.  It was the same rifle Pappy use to hunt whitetail with.  He looks on the net and finds he can buy ammunition for it from Remington.  After UPS deliveries it at a cost of $40 a box he finds it will not fit his old rifle.  Another satisfied customer?

You sure this is not a blonde joke?

[island66]

Actually, guys, the new caliber designation is 30 Remington AR...so while it may sound similar to the old 30 Remington, it is different. 

[sachel.45]

the ammo is supposed to be about 18 bucks a box to about 34 according to midway. also the the .30 remington(not the ar) ammo i did find on the internet was about 37 bucks a box

[Don Gordon]

They should just call it the .30AR Remington rather than .30 Remington AR.  Would eliminate alot of confusion and it sounds "cooler".   

Not that there is a need for the .30AR in the first place, but whatever.

[island66]

I disagree... I think it's a great new caliber.  Think about it, 125 gr 30 cal bullets @ 2800 fps out of an AR15 platform!  No more having to lug a heavy AR10 around...and much better firepower than you can get out of the 223 or even the 6.8 SPC.  Now the AR15 is a legitimate hog/deer rifle.  I like it.

[R.W.Dale]

I disagree... I think it's a great new caliber.  Think about it, 125 gr 30 cal bullets @ 2800 fps out of an AR15 platform!  No more having to lug a heavy AR10 around...and much better firepower than you can get out of the 223 or even the 6.8 SPC.  Now the AR15 is a legitimate hog/deer rifle.  I like it.

I agree the 30RAR (what you'll see the round called)  offers another 400fps over my top notch 7.62x39 hunting load and still fits in the same lower

I'm hoping for a 150grn load at 2500 fps as well

[Swampman]

Maybe it would actually work in the Handi Rifle.

[island66]

Maybe it would actually work in the Handi Rifle.

      

Why won't it work in an AR?

[mcwoodduck]

I like the idea of a true deer hunting round for the AR15 platform.  It will stop people from trying to use 223 as a deer round, like the 410 it is a professionals gun, and will give a good selection of hunting bullets.  Would the 30 Remington fit in an AR action?  I do not have a Ctg of the World with me to see what the over all length is.  I know it is the base case for the 6.8 but I am not sure if they cut it back.  Heck 30-30 kills deer and pigs so it would be perfect out of a little AR carbine.  I still feel strange taking mine hunting but the more I do it the less I feel bad.

[JimP.]

I like this new cartridge, I have a DPMS Panther AR-15 in 7.62X39 and from day one have had ammo probs with it, the rifle will not shoot the Wolf ammo at all, out of a 10 round mag, at least 5 or more will not fire. When i changed to Privi Partizan FMJ ammo, no probs at all, also all my hand loaded ammo will fire perfectly. The fastest ammo in my rifle is the Privi Partizan and it runs almost 2400 fps. but cant hunt with FMJ's...so when this cartridge is available in upper receivers, i will get one for sure.

In the mean time, i have a Rock River Arms AR-15 chambered in 458 Socom, it is an awesome shooter and really puts deer down fast. The bullet i load is the Barnes 300 gr Semi Spitzer for 2006 fps. It is a solid 200 yd gun, but the trajectory drops fast after that, but here in the woods of NC it works nicely.

I have loaded the 62 gr Barnes TSX bullet for my 5.56 AR-15 and i have shot it into wet newspaper at around 2800 fps impact velocity. Let me tell you that it smacks the newsprint hard, makes a nice hole going in and a nice cavity inside the newsprint, if it does that to a deer, it will be a dead deer, penetration was a solid 19 inches and the bullet was mushroomed into the classic X bullet shape...awesome damage from something so small, i would definitely use it on deer.

This new calibre for Remington is definitely a winner, cant wait to get one and hunt with it

JimP.

[R.W.Dale]

Jim to correct your misfire problem you need to extend your firing pin protrusion by .007"

The reason for this is Wolf primers are recessed. After doing this mod my rifle sets off wolf black box just fine, however it still won't shoot "military classic"

[JimP.]

Tks for the info, JimP.

[Swampman]

Could this round work in the Remington 799?

[R.W.Dale]

Could this round work in the Remington 799?

Mabye, the hangup will be the case diameter and if the little Zastava mini action can accommodate WSSM sized case heads. To work in an AR15 this round uses a much larger diameter bolt and receiver extension.