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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2009, 09:29:49 AM »
Thunder,

  The .260 is a great round, but:

    1.  Shoot both a .260 and a 7mm-08  from the bench, and from a standing position.  You won't be able to tell any difference in recoil.   Thus, go for the 7mm-08 based on ammo availability.  (In a few more years, you may not even be able to buy .260 factory ammo.  Or if so, very limited loads.)

    2.  If you are keeping your .243, then definitely go for the 7mm-08, for more versatility. 

Just my thoughts.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2009, 08:34:38 AM »
If you have the .243, I would probably opt for the 7mm-08. That's not to say the .260 Rem is a slouch though as it's not. I met my first person that actually owned  a .260 last month. We have been deployed together here in Iraq. He showed me the pictures of the deer his daughter has taken with it since he bought it for her. I have a .243, and have owned a 7mm-08 in the past. If you handload, the .260 has plenty of bullets available for it. If not, there is limited .260 factory ammo compared to the 7mm-08.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2009, 03:36:17 PM »
     You guys are starting to bend my mind twards the 7mm08! I do reload, so that's no problem as far as 260 ammo goes, it would be very easy to form cases.
     After squirrel hunting this evening I have decided once again that if you wan't it to stay put, you had better hit it in the head or neck! I had 3 run aways, out of 11 hits, all from lung shots! Well, got to a hole before dying! >:(

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2009, 04:11:08 PM »
Since you reload & looking at the max. yardage & the biggest animals, they are tit for tat.
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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2009, 11:10:02 AM »
Try Winchester PowerPoint 40gr HPs, fast, BIG cavity, DEADLY.   ;)

260 or 708?  Both work well.  243 w/good bullets/shot placement, no problem.   260 would eliminate a need for a 243.  708 in my opinion offers more factory choices, but doubt 1/2mm will change any measurable/meaningful degree of killing power.  6.5 bullets have plenty.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2009, 01:02:46 PM »
What rifle were you thinking about obtaining in 260 Remington?  There is the the Model Seven with 20" barell, a Kimber then a reported Tikka that is not imported to the US. Ruger and Savage have dropped it.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2009, 05:02:17 AM »
Are there any factory loads for the 260 other then Rem? If not, I like the idea of having brass available from more then one source ie 7mm-08
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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2009, 12:53:11 PM »

  I don't reload, but I'm pretty sure you could make .260 brass pretty easily from regular .308 Winchester brass, as well as 7mm-08.

   The .260 is dying fast.  It shouldn't be, but it is.  I think what killed it is that shortly after it was released, the short-magnums were invented, and everyone (including the gun rags) went stampeding off in that direction, leaving the .260 starved for customers.

   Thankfully, the 7mm-08 has none of these problems. (And, it is only 24/100ths of an inch bigger than the .260),  i.e., .260 vs. .284?

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2009, 01:04:48 PM »
I had a Savage 11G in 260 Remington but sold it.  What is preventing Remington from cambering it in their SPS or BDL lines?

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2009, 03:10:45 PM »
   Thanks for all the replies! :D

    The two long range losses where with the RP 100gr PP bullet. The strangest one was a very long range hit that I felt was very good. I waited about 30 mins before going over to see what kind of sighn was at the impact sight. There was a good blood trail into the woods so I figured he was dead, WRONG-O, he had gone to the bottom of the hill and bedded down. He ran over the hill and I saw he had bleed out a huge puddle of blood. So about the time I was thinking "I'll wait about an hour and track him down" BOOM over the hill. I followed the blood trail to the where he lay with a .280 Rem slugg an inch from where I had hit him! I'm glad the young man on the next farm over got him. :D I congradulated him, and inspected the hits. Of course the second shot was from about 50 yards!
    I also remember the processor showing me a huge carcas that had a perfectly mushroomed 30 cal slugg under the skin from a hit years before! Maby I just have the feaver, but my line of thinking is to try and break down the front running gear with full penetration. With the 85 gr game king I avoid the big bones like the pleague, hince always going for the lung shots. The big buck I shot this year was slight quartering away and I took the shot just behind the shoulder into the body cavity. He didn't even flench! No blood trail, but walked about 25 feet and fell down! I wish I had a picture of the dammage to his heart and lungs! The heart was compleatly destroyed and the lungs where mush. I agree with some other posters that maby the only sure DRT shots are the ones that take out the CNS some how. Heck the .223 I shot a 6 pt last year with was to the neck at 50 yards and he never took a step!
   I'm looking at the 700 CDL SF Limited edition with the 24 inch barell!

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2009, 04:01:42 PM »
  I haven't found the limited edition, except on auction sites. I'm looking into the 7mm-08 or .260 in a mod 7. I guess time will tell. I may decide to just stay with my tried and true .243 and limit my shots to 3-350 yards max.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2009, 03:43:41 AM »
I have a Remington .260 in the Model 7 and it has become my favorite rifle.You can get bullets rangeing from 85 grn for varmints to 160 grn for the heavier stuff. Brass can be easily formed from .243, 7mm-08 or .308,all of which I often find discarded at the range  at my gunclub.The only drawback,of doing so, is it would be possible to mix the ammunition if you shoot any of the afore mentioned calibers.
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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2009, 11:48:59 AM »
I think TXS, TTXS, & Swift A-Frames are not needed for penetration on deer. Accubonds and Partitions are about all the premium that's needed for deer sized game, or the equviliant. I haven't had much luck getting those Barnes bullets to shoot in MY rifle, although my buddy's rifle shoots them great.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2009, 03:47:08 PM »
You've gotten plenty of good advise already but I'll throw in my 2 cents because I own all 3 calibers mentioned in the original post.  Although I'm primarily a bowhunter, my rifle hunting for whitetails was done exclusively with a .243 for nearly 40 years. I only take high percentage shots and I never lost a deer with it.  I started my son with a .243 and he, too, was successful for several years.  About 6 years ago, I got the single-shot TC Encore bug. I decided to try a different caliber...still one with mild recoil but a little harder hitting in case I decided to go after bigger game after retiring.  I did quite a bit of research on ballistics and recoil on various calibers and read a great deal on forums like this one where most guys generally know very well what they are talking about.  I bought a .260 standard taper barrel and, shortly after, I got a good deal on a 7mm-08 standard taper barrel.  With a SIMS recoil pad on my Encore, the .260 has the same felt recoil as my son's .243 Winchester Model 70 carbine and only a tad more than my old .243 Savage 110.  It is one helluva a shooter that dropped a 220 lb. bruiser buck in its tracks two years ago at 100 yds.  Most of my shots are under 100 yds. but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot 300 yds. if a needed to with this barrel.  The 7mm-08 barrel on the same Encore produces a little more felt recoil than my .260 on the same Encore with 140 gr. factory loads.  My .260 barrel shoots flatter and produces tighter groups at 250 yds. than the 7mm-08.  For me, that might be because it feels like my .243 when it goes off or it could just be the accuracy of the barrels.  My son liked my .260 so well that he switched to a Savage .260 and it, too, is a shooter (1/2" @ 100 yds.)  So while both the .260 and 7mm-08 are great calibers, the ballistic coefficient of the .260 is a little better and it typically offers a little less recoil. Of course the recoil depends a lot on the gun.  As others have pointed out, .260 factory ammo is less available and expensive.  That's its only downside.  Remington, Federal, Black Hills, HSM, and Cor-Bon produce factory loads.  You handload so you that shouldn't be a concern since I don't see the .260 going away soon and the loading components will be available for a life time.  Remington even began offering .260 ammo in its managed recoil ammunition this year and, while I have tried it, it's supposed to produce better knockdown power out to 200 yds. with .243 or less recoil. Whichever caliber you choose, keep the .243 and take it, and the memories that go with it, out in the field with you once in a while.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2009, 06:02:36 PM »
   I have mulled and mulled over this! Thanks for all the replies and advice.
   
   I have decided I HAVE to have a .260! It's gonna be either the 700cld or a model 7cdl.

   Is it better to form brass from .243, or 7mm08? It seems that either should yeald formed cases in one pass?

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2009, 02:52:01 AM »
   I have mulled and mulled over this! Thanks for all the replies and advice.
   
   I have decided I HAVE to have a .260! It's gonna be either the 700cld or a model 7cdl.

   Is it better to form brass from .243, or 7mm08? It seems that either should yeald formed cases in one pass?

  I'd just buy 260 brass!  If you don't load it to max all the time, the brass will last a long time.

  If i was makeing it i'd make it out of 7-08 so as to set the headspace as i was forming it.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2009, 05:33:35 AM »
ThunderStick,

Even then 260 and 7-08 are, in my opinion,  on the small side for long range deer shooting.  Everyone at least shoots a 270 for kripes sake and most shoot magnums.

Not that I even want or need to shoot deer over 300 yards but I do use one of my magnums for that.   The last one shot was with the 7mm WSM.

Even your choice of rifles says a lot to me as many experienced hunters look at the design of the M70 CRF versions for their feeding and that three position safety.

As for anchoring the animal right there, which we all want, an effort at an exact shot placement should be made.

I will look for some diagrams on shot placement for you and hopefully post them soon.

Good luck.

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2009, 04:57:54 PM »
    Rem. 700 CDL SF .260 Rem. is on the way! Now the fun will begin when I start to search for a load it likes. Next hunting season, if I'm lucky, I'll get to see if my money has been well spent! ;)

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2009, 05:22:14 PM »
Congrats, great choice!!!
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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2009, 05:25:32 PM »
Rem. 700 CDL SF .260 Rem. is on the way!

Excellent Choice. Congrats.
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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2009, 02:56:24 PM »
    Found and bought a Rem. 700 CDL SF in .260 Rem. It is a beautiful gun, well balanced, has a good triger, but the pull is a little heavy for my liking. I took it to a reputable smith to have it free floated, bedded and the pull reduced. I probably could have done this myself, but getting time is my problem at the present. Got some brass, bullets and dies on the way. Maby by the time I have it ready to shoot the weather will have let up some (terrible ice storm)!

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2009, 12:50:17 PM »
Having used a 6.5x55 swede for many years,I think the advantage of a .260 over a 243  is if you're deer hunting   and happen to have a black bear or elk tag in your you'll be packing meat instead of looking -not sure I'd want to tackle an elk or bear with a 243

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2009, 06:54:32 AM »
The .243 was never designed to be a elk or bear cartridge.  Elk attacks are somewhat rare compared to a bear taken a distinct dislike to you. That scenario is a good reason to have premium bullets in that cartridge. Would a charging bear be stopped more reliable with a 260 vs a 243.   Dunno!  :-\
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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2009, 07:37:25 AM »
the 6.5X55 SWEDE  needs no proof about its ability to put down anything-and the 260 is just its modern counterpart .The long slim bullet has one of the highest sectional densities of any bullet-and is very efficient at doing its job even at moderate velocities .I've shot two black bears with mine-regulary factory ammunition,no special bullets and both bears put their nose into the dirt when hit on the point of the shoulder,down and immobalized.I don't like tracking wounded black bears in christmas trees so thick you can't see your feet.....great adrenaline rush maybe -but hard on the cleaning bill for your jeans...

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Re: Looking at going from .243 Win to .260 Rem
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2009, 05:07:34 PM »
Now you talking!! Don't go from your 243, but with your 243.
 Had the same thoughts back in 98 when I was hunting in west texas. My 243 always came through,
but if one did run after the shot, never over 40 yards. Not much blood trail. I wanted a little bigger bullet, without adding much recoil. The 260 seemed to fill the bill so I bought a Remington 700 Mn Rifle. Have not shot my 243 since then. I don't know why I would need a wide selection of bullets when I don't reload and there are two good loads available. I've been using the 120 g accutip boattail loads. A broadside shoulder shot will obliviate the lungs, heart and anything else in the chest cavity.. He ain't going many steps if any!
 The heaviest kill I have made was an Axis buck that weighed 220 lbs. Neck shot at 90 yds. Dropped straight down, dead instantly. They have a thick neck and a hide that is at least 1/4 " on their neck. The bullet fragmented, broke all the bones and only one small brass piece was found under the hide on the opposit side.
 In short, I love the 260 and it will serve you well. But as was posted above, nothing is more important than
a well placed shot regardless of the caliber..
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