.308 Win Reload data

[betterspine]

I have a sintetic Weatherby Vanguard 24" in .308 Winchester and I`ll use it for axis deer hunting

Anybody use this components for reload?

Sierra Gameking 165g HPBT / Alliant Reloder15

Can tell me about load data and results?

Thanks a lot.

[BBF]

I don't have an answer for you but I do have one to ask. What made you decide on that specific bullet?

[Kurt L]

I tried to shoot the Sierra 140hpbt in my 270 and I don't like it.I myself think the bullet is too tough for deer.
 I gave the bullet a fair chance I think,I shoot 3 deer with this gun and bullet.

1st deer about 100 yds double lung shot bullet went out the other side fine and good blood but it went
a good 40 yds in the woods

2nd deer I shot went though the lung and out the shoulder i looked and looked and found no blood
and it went 25 yards in the woods this also had a small exit hole.

3rd deer was about 200yds  double lung and lots of blood in the snow but it went 50-60 yds in the woods.

the bullet you list is the same bullet justa 308 version instead of 277.
I am not going to use it any more they just run to far for me with it and thats a good way to loose a good
deer and run onto some one elses land. some others may have better luck with these bullets but I did not.

[longwinters]

When I 1st started reloading I called Sierra and talked to one of their guys about their bullets.  He said the HPBT was very accurate, of course I have experienced all the Sierra bullets to be very accurate, and to be their toughest bullet for bigger game. 

I loaded it up with 44 gns of Reloader 15 and it was very accurate.  I shot a buck with it that fall and it only went about 40-50 yds but was still alive when I walked up to him.  The shot was right behind the shoulder, but did not open up much from the entrance and exit holes.  So I guess it was exactly what he told me " for bigger game".

Long

[Kurt L]

longwinters.
That is what I have come up with,that it is just too tough for deer and don't open up.
far as accurate it shoots great.

[cwlongshot]

A quick search thru altavista found lots of hits for data using your components. You should invest in a manual, I recommend the LYMAN Manuel.

http://uk.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=308+win+loading+data&kgs=1&kls=0


http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=308+Winchester&Weight=All&type=Rifle

http://www.6mmbr.com/308Win.html

http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=427

[gendoc]

i have used sierra in the past and noticed simular after affects.
so i started hunting a new projectile.
after trying 8 different ones, out of them the nosler 165gr ballistic tip
proved to be a more opening round.

using 39 grains of imr-4895 with the nosler, it proved to be the best opener of all.
on whitetail and hawgs

and its accuracy is better than the others, in my shooter!!!

not exactly a lightning bolt, but it gets the job done just fine.

now i'm working on my 45/70 loads before my hawg hunt sunday.

will be going tomorrow morning with my .308 survivor with the above load
its taken 2 whitetail and 1 bore since its discovery.

[betterspine]

Dear friends, really thanks for your answers.
In this moment here in Argentine there are poor choices about bullets, powders and primers. The listed components are the best I can find by the moment.
I used the Sierra Prohunter 150g but after impact in both lungs and came out. The deer run around 80 yds.
Here the axis deer weights around 220 - 300 lbs and have friends who use the GK 165 with excellent results.

Thanks a lot again.

B.-

[Kurt L]

If you have no other choice and others have good luck with them on the same game
then go for it they may be great on your bigger deer.
my #12 speer manual shows r15 the top powder 43-47 max

[Mckie Hollow]

The sierra 165HPBT Game King is recommended by many elk hunters. I use this bullet for My 308 custom Mauser and the Rem. core lokts in My model 7 308.

[Mckie Hollow]

Betterspine - Where do You Hunt in Argentina? I've hunted Red Stag in the Lakes Region of Neuquen,Patagonia.

[wncchester]

" ...it went 50-60 yds in the woods."

Have you considered how quickly a deer can cover 50 yds?  Maybe 3-4 seconds?  That's real close to instant death to me, sounds like pretty good performance.

[Larry Gibson]

Your problem is shot placement, not the bullet.  A "new and improved" bullet will not change anything.  A "behind the shoulder shot" is only a lung shot deer.  As you've found they will many times go some distance and not die to quickly. I quit using that shot many years ago for the same reasons you are complaining about. I switched to a heart/lung shot and have not had a deer go much over 25-30 paces with most not moving more than a step or two.  Picture a soccer ball that sits low between the deers front legs against the brisket.  Put the bullet through that soccer ball regardless of the angle.  The bullet will hit the solid part of the lungs low, probably the heart orat least the major arteries and veins that come from the heart, break one or both front legs and with the bullet holes low will bleed out quicker.  Death comes very quick with that shot.  Yes you will damage a little more meat but you won't lose any deer with that shot.  I have shot deer with the Sierra 165 HPBT out of the .308W from 25 to 600 yards with complete satisfaction using that shot.

Larry Gibson

[Kurt L]

Yes I understand this and shoot to save meat.
Example 6 deer all shot the same double lung shots.
3 with 270 and 140 bthp and all ran 25-50 yards.
3 with 243 and 58 v-max and all hit the dirt like they was stuck by lightning.

I have  said this over and over and I just had to prove it to myself one more time becouse people keep saying you can't kill deer with a 243.
Rather it's a 243 or 270 or ?? I have always had better results with a lite bullet
and a double lung shot and the bullet never comes out the other side and the deer took everthing that bullet energy had to give the heavy pass on through bullets
do not stop and the deer only takes part of the energy.

[blackhawk45]

" ...it went 50-60 yds in the woods."

Have you considered how quickly a deer can cover 50 yds?  Maybe 3-4 seconds?  That's real close to instant death to me, sounds like pretty good performance.


Yeah, thats what i wuz thinkin !

[betterspine]

Betterspine - Where do You Hunt in Argentina? I've hunted Red Stag in the Lakes Region of Neuquen,Patagonia.

Nice places to hunt red stag, from La Pampa going to the south of the Argentina (Patagonia zone) there are many beautifull places for the big red.
I´m hunting in Corrientes and Entre Rios, we have good axis deer (or Chital from India). It´s very dificult deer to hunt but I love walk and walk to find thems.

About Larry said: that is the real truth. The SHOOT PLACEMENT is the best bullet...

Salutations for all.

B.-

[harrys]

165 sierras with imr4064 i'm usin 44.5 grs in rem 700 vls works great to 800 with my shepherd scope haven't tried farther yet grps awesome at 100 too.i shoot hornady 168 bthp but those 3 grains won't be a powder problem as i'm no where near max load.Happy shootin

[cwlongshot]

Yes I understand this and shoot to save meat.
Example 6 deer all shot the same double lung shots.
3 with 270 and 140 bthp and all ran 25-50 yards.
3 with 243 and 58 v-max and all hit the dirt like they was stuck by lightning.

I have said this over and over and I just had to prove it to myself one more time because people keep saying you can't kill deer with a 243.
Rather it's a 243 or 270 or ?? I have always had better results with a lite bullet
and a double lung shot and the bullet never comes out the other side and the deer took everthing that bullet energy had to give the heavy pass on through bullets
do not stop and the deer only takes part of the energy.

Its not the energy that is doing the "killing" for you there. Its the bullet fragments your sending several FEET thru that deer!!  Talk about loosing meat, you must have horrific holes and blood shot meat from that varmint bullet!!

 Ultra lite varmint bullets can produce this kind of ''THORS HAMMER" effect. Trouble is if that animal moves or your aim is off and you hit that shoulder or need to penetrate thru a couple more inches of hide and mussel. Your soon see the south end of a north bound animal!! Oh you will likely kill the critter, but I doubt you will get to enjoy the spoils as you will be feeding the carnivores in the area!! Using the 58Gr bullet for big game is not a responsible thing to do. Heck the standard Varmint weight for the 243 is 70 Gr's for Pete's sake!!

 At 300 lbs your at about as big as I feel comfortable with the 243. But the 270 is just fine. Even that 243 with good bullets and a carefully aimed shot from a patient hunter will not have a problem. An animal traveling 50 yards after a lung shot is PERFECTLY Norman performance. Try hitting bones, like high shoulder or if close enough, the base of the neck, with that 270 load. Do that right and you will see the same Bang Flop you experienced with those varmint 243 bullets!

CW