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Re: OCCUPIED ISRAEL.
« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2008, 10:53:50 AM »
Good point SM, BTW rems are still junk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just kidding, I'm a rem fan too.
 I don't have any negativity or arguing to do.  I come here for shooting and hunting information. As a rule most people on these sites are middle or right. Every now and then there are some leftists. Doesn't mean we can't be civil to one another. I do strongly back Israel, and will continue to whether my country does or not. Over the years I have spent 3 or 4 years there in short durations. They are a very kind and gentle people to those who are peaceful to them. To those who are not they are a fierce adversary.
I have spent many more years than that in muslim countries. Due to personal experiences and events witnessed I strongly dislike muslims. I speak both arabic and Hebrew and have studied the koran and Bible in these languages. As well as studied the people and their customs.
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« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2008, 11:49:57 AM »
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The Bush response to Saturday’s carnage, as anticipated, was to blame Hamas for causing it and urge Israelis to be careful about civilian casualties as they go about their reprisals.

An excellent response

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Whatever Israel decides, we support. For eight years that has been the most reliable guide to U.S. Middle East policy.

An excellent guide since we don't have the stones to declare total war on Terrorist ourselves.


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And Barack Obama? Forty-eight hours after the Israeli blitz began, he and his national security team remain silent.

He should speak up in support of Israels' actions and offer our assistance to the effort.
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« Reply #92 on: December 31, 2008, 11:51:26 AM »
The Godless ones fired another 60 rockets at Israeli civilians today, really sounds like they're serious about peace. Hey, lets have a truce, FIRE THAT ROCKET, truce, truce, we really mean it this time, we love everybody. I'm hoping that Israel will finally wipe these vermin out. You can't negotiate with muslims, their word is worthless. They will tell any lie to achieve their goal. They are taught from birth to hate and kill all who refuse to bow down to the devils cult. There are no innocents there, they all study from the same satans handbook, the koran. The kids will grow up just like them, the women will just breed more of them. Nope, no innocents there. They ELECTED hamas knowing what they are, I feel no pity for them. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #93 on: December 31, 2008, 12:49:22 PM »
The Godless ones got lucky, they hit a school in Israel. Before some of you get all excited and celebrate, I hate to disappoint you, but the school was empty, it let out early. I can feel your disappointment. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #94 on: December 31, 2008, 01:12:57 PM »
The Godless ones got lucky, they hit a school in Israel. Before some of you get all excited and celebrate, I hate to disappoint you, but the school was empty, it let out early. I can feel your disappointment. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
To bad they don't have one to reach your trailer in KY.

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« Reply #95 on: December 31, 2008, 01:15:39 PM »
The facts are Zionist Hasbara operatives have been claiming that the current Israeli genocidal onslaught in Gaza is a "war against Hamas" and that it was only necessitated by the firing of Palestinian rockets on Israel.

This is quite stretch....:::


It looks more like reality to anyone with common sense. And that
"genocidal onslaught" description was a real nice touch. Wow!  




"Hamas had repeatedly said it was willing and ready to stop "all" firing of projectiles from Gaza if only Israel would lift the deadly blockade. And Israel repeatedly said "No."

The chosen have been saying ad nauseam that it ended its occupation of Gaza. Not so, why does Israel then retain its control of Gaza skies, Gaza shores, Gaza sea, Gaza border crossings (even with Egypt). Why does Israel retain its control of Gaza life thru a brutal blockade?



Because if Israel didn't  keep these animals in check your boyfriend Ahmadinejad
would flood Gaza with even more weapons and explosives to be used against Israel's
citizens than they do now. Why doesn't your hero Ahmadinejad do something positive
for these people? Maybe start some legitimate business in Gaza that would employ
people there and give them some hope. No, he would rather use them to do his dirty
work instead. Him and the mullahs in Iran are  scumbags of the worst order.






Hence, the issue of firing "rockets" on Israel (they are homemade projectiles that make more noise than damage), should be viewed largely as a red herring.  Try to glimpse at some tel-a-version video of these rockets.



"Hence, the issue of firing "rockets" on Israel (they are homemade projectiles that make more noise than damage), should be viewed largely as a red herring." How would you like it if one
of these "red herrings" as you refer them, landed in your backyard while your daughter
was playing and it blew her to pieces? People are killed and maimed almost every day by these
"red herrings". Every day in Israel  people who are only guilty of being in the wrong
place at the wrong time are killed by these indiscriminate rockets. "Red herrings?" Tell that to
the families of the people who have been killed and maimed by these "red herrings." And don't
even bother trying to say, "Oh yea. What  about those poor Palestinians? Those punks made
their own bed and they can lie in it! They have had chance after chance to make something
of themselves and all they end up doing is reverting back to their old ways.





Effectively, Israel has been giving Palestinians in Gaza either of two choices, to die of starvation and disease as a result of the blockade or be exterminated by the Israeli war machine.
Indeed, these so-called "rockets" are nothing more than a desperate outcry for justice, for lifting the deadly blockade. Gaza has simply been reduced to a modern-day Auschwitz. The only difference is that Jews are now playing the role of the SS.



No. They have 1 choice. They can stop indiscriminately murdering Israel's
citizens and join the human race and make an attempt at being productive members
of society.  





Such a dreadful situation. It is too bad there are no Christian nations left on the planet, especially at this time of year, that could mediate and instruct a peace in this region.



Hey I know! Maybe you could get your main squeeze Ahmadinejad to step in and
save the day. Never mind. He's too busy throwing gasoline on this fire with his retoric
about wiping Israel off the map.


..TM7



TM7,
You sound like a fairly bright educated guy, but somewhere along the line you lost the
ball in the weeds. There is a difference in disagreeing with Israel's policies and being
anti Semitic. By the way you speak and who you put in with it hard to think that you
are not the latter of these. You need to check yourself my friend.

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« Reply #96 on: December 31, 2008, 02:11:21 PM »
SM BOB. You have pretty well got tm7 pegged. No matter what the Godless ones do, no matter how many innocents they murder, tm ALWAYS backs them, and makes excuses for them. It's ALWAYS that mean ol Israels fault. Israel provides their electricity, heating oil, food, + millions of $ in aid and the Godless ones repay Israel with treachery and death. Israel has given them gaza for peace, has there been any peace??? No, only more treachery and death. They've fired over 6,000 rockets into Israel this past year, yep, real peaceful folks. If Israel opens her borders there will be more suicide bombings, both sides know this. You're right too in that the Godless ones could thrive too and be decent members of society, but they won't. They are too full of hatred and spend their money on weapons to murder innocents with, instead of food, clothing, heating oil, and industry. Israel has been too patient and lenient, I'm glad to see them playing hardball, bout time. The palestinians need to leave Israel, they are trespassers. If the world would leave Israel alone there would be no palestinian problem, Israel would cleanse her land once again. Happy new year, almost bedtime. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #97 on: December 31, 2008, 10:58:57 PM »
  TM;
  C'mon now; your statement that Bush "did as expected" in blaming Hamas for the current flare up is really an interesting statement.
  Who else should he (or any logical thinker) have blamed? It wasn't Israel raining down 6,000 rockets on the Muslims for the last 3 years
..in spite of a "truce". If the Islamofacists had not fired rockets, committed car bombings and other aggressive acts..I doubt there would have been any conflict at all! Israel is not an expansionist state and they clearly would like to pursue a "you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone" policy.
   Obviously, the sons of Ishmael (the "wild" man) can't handle the idea of peaceful co-existence...with other nations, or even among themselves!

   I was shocked when you even implied that Danny Pearl and Nick Berg (just 2 of thousands of  victims) deserved to get their heads sawed off with a dull machete! You went on to say "don't expect me to explain the muzzie mindset"...well, I don't expect you to explain it;
 just condemn it for the obvious evil it is.
    I have looked at the situation from every reasonable angle, and can only come to one conclusion; much, if not all of Islam, is the most pure focus of evil in the world today. The plain facts demand just such a conclusion.

  NOTE: "And the angel of the Lord said unto her (Hagar), behold, thou art with child, and shall bear a son, and shall call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
   "And he will be a wild man: his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren."
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      God does not lie..he also warns of the future...

   BELOW: See a picture of Daniel Pearl and the piece of vulture manure that boasted of killing him..also see some brave sons of Islam as they murder a helpless captive with his hands tied behind him..
      BTW: Can anyone here grasp the idea that some boneheads believe that waterboarding was too rough on "vulture manure"?
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« Reply #98 on: December 31, 2008, 11:16:43 PM »
IG. Well said and true. Your Bible quote was wasted though, I don't believe it is in tms koran. If his muslim brothers loved their children as much as they hate the world, there would be peace. Islam is a rapidly growing cancer and should be dealt with accordingly. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #99 on: December 31, 2008, 11:33:59 PM »
  Powderman;
   Their women & children are what they hide behind and place their rockets and mortars among..
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« Reply #100 on: January 01, 2009, 02:31:50 AM »
Like I said, people that don't understand the scripture will try to explain it away or rationalize what's going on.  Human logic cannot be applied to this subject.  Israel has this problem because they didn't follow God's instructions in the first place.
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« Reply #101 on: January 01, 2009, 03:20:27 AM »
ahmadinejad if asking for Iranian students to volunteer as suicide bombers. It is rumored the Israelis have a 5 step plan for their current defense. Step 5 is unofficially to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities. It will be interesting to see Obongo's stand on this issue when he takes office.
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« Reply #102 on: January 01, 2009, 04:44:52 AM »
Good post IG, just a tiny few of the murders committed by our anti semetic friends heros the muslims. Hopefully the muslims will push enough buttons one of these days that the decent peoples in this world will be givin the green light to exterminate. Israel has shown extreme caution with dealing with these animals, where in history many other nations would have wiped them out.

I'm sure the anti semites will try to rationalise the murders you posted picture of as that is the nature of the beast. Himmler would have been proud to call some of the Jew haters here his brothers.
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« Reply #103 on: January 01, 2009, 05:28:11 AM »
If the Israeli lobby is anywhere near as overpowering in the UK as in the US, you know who is getting the "goodies" ;)
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« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2009, 11:32:20 AM »
IG, BILLY, good posts. News said they got one of the big shot Godless ones today with a 2,000 lb bomb, 18 supporters too. Money well spent. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2009, 11:59:46 AM »
IG, BILLY, good posts. News said they got one of the big shot Godless ones today with a 2,000 lb bomb, 18 supporters too. Money well spent. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Nice shooting guys!
Powderman,
Be careful with posts like this one. You might upset that antisemitic fly in the ointment guy! ;) ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2009, 01:24:48 PM »
IG, BILLY, good posts. News said they got one of the big shot Godless ones today with a 2,000 lb bomb, 18 supporters too. Money well spent. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Nice shooting guys!
Powderman,
Be careful with posts like this one. You might upset that antisemitic fly in the ointment guy! ;) ;D ;D ;D

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Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2009, 01:43:13 PM »
Aint it sad to see how some sick people actually support these muslim terrorists. Israel shows a ton of restraint and still some hate mongers claim the Israelis are the aggressors.

And they think the Nazi's were defeated in 1945.
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« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2009, 02:50:09 PM »
The idiots are protesting in Washington for the unfair treatment of Hamas. What a country we live in. Let's all rally together for the unfair treatment of terrorists. After all they are a civil bunch. They tie peoples hands behind their back before the decapitate. That must be in the part of the Geneva convention I skipped over. Only a very thoughtful person would bind your hands so they don't get cut.  >:(
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« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2009, 03:10:08 PM »
HEH. jimmy carter said a week or so ago that the Godless ones didn't have any anti aircraft guns or rockets to fight the Israeli airforce. Think tm is Jimmy??? POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #111 on: January 01, 2009, 03:26:41 PM »
hama's stated position is the total distruction of Israel and its people. Should Israel wait until they are strong  enough to accomplish their task? I hear dopes talking about Israel should have had a measured response. A lot of my buddies got killed when I was in Nam since the US government insisted on measured responses in bombing the North..

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« Reply #112 on: January 01, 2009, 03:32:00 PM »
Think tm is Jimmy??? POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o

You guys have called TM7 many bad names like Muslim Lover and Godless One. But no one, and I mean no one deserves to be called Jimmy Carter.  :D
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« Reply #113 on: January 01, 2009, 03:42:07 PM »
SKUNK. HEH. You're right, that was too low even for tm, but ya gotta admit, they do think alike. Israel bad, Godless ones good. POWDERMAN.  :D ;) ;) ;)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2009, 05:18:11 PM »
hama's stated position is the total distruction of Israel and its people. Should Israel wait until they are strong  enough to accomplish their task? I hear dopes talking about Israel should have had a measured response. A lot of my buddies got killed when I was in Nam since the US government insisted on measured responses in bombing the North..
Indeed my friend. Soldiers suffer when the bureaucrats and diplomats try to apply "civil logic" to warfare. Many good men were not as fortunate as yourself, a humble thank you to your service and those who stood with you.
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« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2009, 05:29:33 PM »
HEH. jimmy carter said a week or so ago that the Godless ones didn't have any anti aircraft guns or rockets to fight the Israeli airforce. Think tm is Jimmy??? POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o

Hey, wait a minute! You don't think Jimmy Carter would be a bald face liar that is in the tank for
Hamas do you? ;) :)   No. Him, Hamas, and Ahmadinejad are all as pure as the driven snow. ::)

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« Reply #116 on: January 01, 2009, 06:51:33 PM »
On eve of his death, Hamas leader Nizar Rayan predicted victory


       
THE day before a powerful blast sent his headless body flying out of his Gaza home, senior Hamas leader Nizar Rayan predicted that the Islamist movement would defeat Israel.


I think old Nizar was a little too over confident for his own good.

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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24864540-1702,00.html?from=public_rss


                         

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« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2009, 07:52:25 PM »


 They targeted a Spokesman yesterday who came out in favor of more suicide bombers. I guess they took that as a threat. Looks like they're not playing around this time.
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« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2009, 12:45:49 AM »

BILLY YOUR RIGHT. AND THEY THINK THE NAZI WERE DEFEATED 1945.
 
 
 
  Ringworm and Radiation
By Barry Chamish   August 19, 2004


On August 14, at 9 PM, Israel's Channel Ten television screened a documentary film which exposes the ugliest secret of Israel's Labor party founders: the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly all Sephardi youths of a generation.

"The Ringworm Children" (translated in Hebrew as "100,000 Rays"), directed by David Belhassen and Asher Hemias, recently won the prize for "best documentary" at the Haifa International film festival, and in the past year has made the rounds of Jewish and Israeli film festivals around the world. But it had yet to come to Israeli television screens. The subject is the mass irradiation of hundreds of thousands of young Israeli immigrants from Middle Eastern countries -- Sephardim, as they are called today. The story goes like this:

In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba, flew to America and returned with seven x-ray machines, supplied to him by the American army.

They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300 million Israeli liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today.

To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, while many of the rest developed cancers that killed thousands over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis.

That is the subject of the documentary in cold terms. It is another matter to see the victims on the screen.

To watch the Moroccan lady describe what getting 35,000 times the dose of allowable x-rays in her head feels like. "I screamed make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. But it never went away."

To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street. "I'm in my fifties and everyone thinks I'm in my seventies. I have to stoop when I walk so I won't fall over. They took my youth away with those x-rays."

To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of children: "They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared in burning gel. Then a ball was put between their legs and the children were ordered not to drop it, so they wouldn't move. The children weren't protected over the rest of their bodies. There were no lead vests for them. I was told I was doing good by helping to remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the children were facing, I would never have cooperated. Never!"

Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of the children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We watch the woman with the distorted face explain, "All three of my children have the same cancers my family suffered. Are you going to tell me that's a coincidence?"

The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned became the country's perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn't make sense. The Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly educated. The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus smart ones. The real explanation is that every French Moroccan child didn't have his brain cells fried with gamma rays.

The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident. The dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the official guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952. The maximum dose to be given a child in Israel was .5 rad. There was no mistake made. The children were deliberately poisoned.

David Deri makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-rays: "I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our names. The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their seats. The dark children were put on the bus."

The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the eugenics movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the ringworm operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out the perceived weak strains of society. The Moroccan lady is back on the screen. "It was a Holocaust, a Sephardi Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to stop it."

David Deri, on film and then as a panel member, relates the frustration he encountered when trying to find his childhood medical records. "All I wanted to know was what they did to me. I wanted to know who authorized it. I wanted to trace the chain of command. But the Health Ministry told me my records were missing." Boaz Lev, the Health Ministry's spokesman chimes in: "Almost all the records were burned in a fire."

We are told that a US law in the late '40s put a stop to the human radiation experiments conducted on prisoners, the mentally feeble and the like. The American atomic program needed a new source of human lab rats and the Israeli government supplied it. Here was the government cabinet at the time of the ringworm atrocities:

Prime Minister - David Ben Gurion; Finance Minister - Eliezer Kaplan; Settlement Minister - Levi Eshkol; Foreign Minister - Moshe Sharrett; Health Minister - Yosef Burg;
Labor Minister - Golda Meir; Police Minister - Amos Ben Gurion.

The highest ranking non-cabinet post belonged to the Director General of the Defence Ministry, Shimon Peres.

That a program involving the equivalent of billions of dollars of American government funds should be unknown to the Prime Minister of cash-strapped Israel is ridiculous. Ben Gurion had to have been in on the horrors and undoubtedly chose his son to be Police Minister in case anyone interfered with them.

Finance Minister Eliezer Kaplan was rewarded for eternity with a hospital named after him near Rehovot. But he's not alone in this honor. Chaim Sheba, who ran Ringworm Incorporated, had a whole medical complex named after him. Needless to say, if there is an ounce of decency in the local medical profession, those hospital names will have to change.

After the film ended, there was a panel discussion which included a Moroccan singer, David Edri, head of the Compensation Committee for Ringworm X-Ray Victims, and Boaz Lev, a spokesman for the Ministry Of Health.

TV host Dan Margalit tried to put a better face on what he'd witnessed. He explained meekly that "the state was poor. It was a matter of day to day survival." Then he stopped. He knew there was no excusing the atrocities which the Sephardi children endured.

But it was the Moroccan singer who summed up the experience best. "It's going to hurt, but the truth has to be told. If not, the wounds will never heal."

There is one person alive who knows the truth: Shimon Peres. The only way to get to the truth and start the healing is to investigate him for his role in the mass poisoning of over 100,000 Sephardi children and youth.

But here is why that won't happen. The film was aired at the same time as the highest-rated TV show of the year, the finale of Israel's talent-hunt show: "A Star Is Born." The next day, the newly-born star's photo took up half the front pages. There was not a word about "The Ringworm Children" in any paper, nor on the Internet. Until now.
 
 
 

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« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2009, 01:38:08 AM »
Great link bob. he death was a little to quick and painless for the animal but dead is dead. His funeral procession would be a nice spot for a cluster bomb. I'm sure the anti semites here will try to spin this to make him sound like a good guy, but as I have said many times before these guys would have fit right in in nazi germany.

I just hope Israel doesn't stop until the animals are wiped out. It is getting sickening how Israel treat these rabid cancer with kid gloves.

I don't know about TM being Jimmy Carter though, I have a feeling that TM is more of an agent with ulterior motives.
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