Author Topic: OCCUPIED ISRAEL. (Read 10249 times)

billy_56081 · « **Reply #150 on:** January 04, 2009, 12:14:45 PM »

I hope Israel goes for complete and utter devastation of the animals this time. Israel has been more than fair and patient with these animals, it is time to take offthe gloves and end it for good.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #151 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:31:10 PM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on January 04, 2009, 06:24:13 AM

Matt,

What good is your "ignore" feature doing if nobody actually ignores the people they don't like...?

What gets me is that you guys really tend to gang up on people, and when you do the intelligence rating plummets through the basement... use your brains people...

That being said, IMHO I think Israel should have started their ground war a LOT earlier.

maybe we just LIKE a good mindless fight where no one can ACTUALLY hurt each other

any one i have had hard words with here i hope to shake their hand at the shot show

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,159296.0.html

meet me there at high noon saturday

powderman · « **Reply #152 on:** January 04, 2009, 02:30:09 PM »

Several of us talked about this at church today. We all agreed that Israel should not stop til their enemies are gone and that Gaza is part of Israel and should NEVER be given back to the Godless ones. Israel should cleanse and purify their land as their forefathers did. Rid their land, all of it, of those devils disciples, either kill them, or drive them out, and KEEP them out. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #153 on:** January 04, 2009, 02:59:52 PM »

Well said PM, I hope all of the cancer of islam is cleansed from the world. The evil cult of islam has no place in a civilised world.

powderman · « **Reply #154 on:** January 04, 2009, 03:54:46 PM »

Had the Israel of old done Gods will thousands of years ago there would be no palestinian problem or probably none with the cancer islam. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #155 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:15:10 AM »

PM; ..Started with old Abraham and his doubt and disobeyal..producing an illegitimate in Ishmael.
Actually; we should put this whole thing in proper context. Three and a half years ago Israel had Gaza, but pressure from the "enlightened" nations of the world caused Israel to pull out, leaving the people with a whole country, buildings and infrastructure..but apparently not enough common sense to run it. Israel warned the "enlightened nations" that the mobs in Gaza would go ahead and commit cultural suicide by electing Hamas into power...and so they did! They chose war instead of peace, strife instead of contentment.
Whatever they chose, they would not be under attack now if they had just kept their hate on their side of the fence and left their neighbor alone.
I reject any sophomoric argument that mentions "disproportionate response"..that is totally stupid! As an old man, I wouldn't jab a thumb in the eye of the world's heavyweight kickboxing champ..assuming he may just give me a tap in the ribs in return. Instead, he may completely disable me,
giving rise to the thought "don't bite off more than you can chew".

Wake up leftists, war between nations is not run by "Marquess of Queensbury" rules!

powderman · « **Reply #156 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:48:15 AM »

IRONGLOW. Agreed Sir. Before ishmael was even born God sent an angel to Hagar to tell her what he thought about her son. God had his own plans for Abraham having a son, an heir, and it did NOT include ishmael. When Abraham was about to plunge the knife in his son God told him to stop, not to kill his ONLY son. God never did recognize ishmael as anything but a product of sin. POWDERMAN.

beerbelly · « **Reply #157 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:48:55 AM »

If the Israelis are gods chosen people then I want nothing to do with your god.
Beerbelly

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #158 on:** January 05, 2009, 05:19:07 AM »

In keeping w/ IG's statement, Israel did what they thought might bring some peace to their area and gave up Gaza, I remember the Israeli military forcefully removing their citizens from gaza some years back, w/ people carrying what they could gather up quickly and crying their eyes out.

Lets put this into a context, If Mexico began violent acts against Texas, saying that Texas was part of their original empire, The UN and other nations began pressuring US leadership. The US caves, and gives up TX from San Antonio south. Mexican nationals inhabit what we gave them. 3 years later they start sending rockets into Austin... What course of action would you want to take?

Israel messed up when they gave up Gaza in the first place.

powderman · « **Reply #159 on:** January 05, 2009, 05:51:12 AM »

Quote from: beerbelly on January 05, 2009, 02:48:55 AM

If the Israelis are gods chosen people then I want nothing to do with your god.
Beerbelly

Your choice, your loss. God gave us all free will. We can choose right or wrong, Heaven or hell. Choose wisely.
SSS. You're right, Israel should NEVER have given it up. Hope and pray they keep it this time. The Godless ones have no right to be there. POWDERMAN.

BBF · « **Reply #160 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:52:03 AM »

TM7
Please do not equate the Wehrmacht with the IDF really a misnomer IMNHO
The Wehrmacht didn't have a big uncle overseas to buy them their stuff, just as a start. :-))

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #161 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:30:31 AM »

I usually try not to get too involved w/ your arguments TM7, but you are overlooking a few items in this argument...

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1). Think about the puny rocket attacks...possiblely a last resort tactic of the Palestinians pending their slow genocide due to the Israeli breaking the peace accords and BLOCKADING the Gaza...no fuel, practically no food, no medicine, no power, even no shoes, not allowed to come i or leave, and so on. Yet they claim 10s of thousands of rockets have been launched into Israeli occupied territory. How is this possible?

The primary purpose in the Israeli air attack was to destroy numerous tunnel's that have been used to ferry in these components. Secondary missions have been targeted successfully at terrorist leaders and followers.

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2.) Thousands of rockets would require truck load after truck load of solid chemical rocket fuel ( a rather rare commodity), steel tubing, nozzle assemblies and so forth. Then these rockets don't even carry guidance and payloads and reportly no Israelis have been killed. This does not add up logically; in fact seems patently false and contrived according to intell agencies around the world....

TM7 really makes this fuel issue seem like rocket science doesn't he?

Petroleum fuels are those refined from crude oil and are a mixture of complex hydrocarbons, i.e. organic compounds containing only carbon and hydrogen. The petroleum used as rocket fuel is a type of highly refined kerosene, called RP-1 in the United States. Petroleum fuels are usually used in combination with liquid oxygen as the oxidizer. Kerosene delivers a specific impulse considerably less than cryogenic fuels, but it is generally better than hypergolic propellants.

Crude oil from the Middle East?!? NO WAY! By now I would have thought that an intelligent individual such as yourself TM7 would have realized that when any terrorist society, or nation decides she's going to wage war, it's the civilians in said society that suffer... just look at history...

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3.) If the Palestinians were dead set to kill their captors they would likely resort to bombs and suicide bombs where their enemy can actually be touched.

you mean like they have been doing for the past several years?

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4.) Then these rockets don't even carry guidance and payloads and reportly no Israelis have been killed.

Wow, whats funny is that if there were a group of Mexican nationals or Canadian nationals firing rockets 20-30 miles into the US border, you would be coming apart at the seams... an attack on sovereign soil is just that...

ironglow · « **Reply #162 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:38:33 AM »

Quote from: beerbelly on January 05, 2009, 02:48:55 AM

If the Israelis are gods chosen people then I want nothing to do with your god.
Beerbelly

Beerbelly;
You do that by your own choice; and at your own risk...

I'll waste no pearls...Ironglow

billy_56081 · « **Reply #163 on:** January 05, 2009, 12:38:49 PM »

TeleMagick7 sure makes the rocket attacks seem like they are just 4th of July fireworks, unguided, yes, no payload, no. These babies are loaded with semtex and ball bearings. Unguided fits the terrorist animal way of thinking perfectly. They would love to get lucky and hit a daycare or nursery. There has been Israeli casualties, but that number has been kept to a minimum because of a great incoming fire warning system and defensive weapons that knocks some of them down. Once again we are hearing propaganda from the true muslims and the muslim sympathisers. But if we look into that propaganda we see it is laced with lies.

powderman · « **Reply #164 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:04:47 PM »

News just said that the Israeli city of Sederodt, not sure about spelling, has been hit with over 5,000 rockets in 8 years. They showed Israeli citizens running for cover as more rockets from the Godless ones came down. Yep, the Godless ones sure want peace. Wonder how much heating oil one of those rockets could have bought, how many loaves of bread??? I reckon those are not priorities for them. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #165 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:28:38 PM »

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dgaza%2520rockets%2520hamas%26y%3DSearch%26fr2%3Dtab-web%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501-s&w=500&h=334&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F1077%2F1037981263_8ead39caf2.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F10509284%40N08%2F1037981263%2F&size=114.3kB&name=Qassam+rockets&p=gaza+rockets+hamas&type=JPG&oid=d7beea34d5476332&fusr=jeff_emanuel&tit=Qassam+rockets&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F10509284%40N08%2F&no=18&tt=512&sigr=11lbdc5ta&sigi=11gglm20n&sigb=13i622mn5&sigh=11atmr94c

Just little fireworks. Cmon now your propaganda is getting weak.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #166 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:36:01 PM »

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dgaza%2Brockets%2Bhamas%26ni%3D21%26ei%3DUTF-8%26y%3DSearch%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501-s%26fr2%3Dtab-web%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26b%3D106&w=400&h=550&imgurl=www.aerospaceweb.org%2Fquestion%2Fweapons%2Fpalestine%2Fisrael-rocket-ranges.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerospaceweb.org%2Fquestion%2Fweapons%2Fq0279.shtml&size=45.1kB&name=israel-rocket-ranges.jpg&p=gaza+rockets+hamas&type=JPG&oid=976a3f98ae14c54e&no=125&tt=512&sigr=11oc6q3kl&sigi=128s4a60t&sigb=14bkda09v

Here's some more, I'm sure old TeleMagick will just tell us they are just getting ready for a fireworks show. Remember its this big ol world wide conspiracy that the pali's are the bad guys.

GO ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are gonna have such a great BBQ, heck I can taste the pork shoulder and Bud light right now. MMMMMMM MMMMMMMMM.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #167 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:00:51 PM »

Here you go. Dale

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=783_1231107444

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=312_1231071363

billy_56081 · « **Reply #168 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:02:05 PM »

Both of these weapons are types of rockets frequently used by terrorist groups to attack Israel. They are typically referred to as artillery rockets and are designed for barrage attacks over a distance of a few miles or tens of miles. Most of these rockets are not that much different from large model rockets sold in stores in the west except they are packed with explosives. The weapons are fired randomly into Israeli areas and typically do little damage. Their value lies more in spreading fear and chaos among civilians rather than attacking specific buildings or military targets.

I guess because they are bad shots that makes them less evil, old TeleMagick really must have his propaganda glasses on tonight.

The danger posed by Qassam attacks began to grow as improved versions were developed. The 150-mm Qassam 2 carries a warhead between 11 and 15 pounds (5 to 7 kg) over a distance of about 5 miles (8 km). The most advanced version seen so far is the Qassam 3 with a 170-mm body containing a 22-lb (10-kg) warhead and traveling as much as 6 miles (10 km). The farthest Israeli town attacked by late 2005 has been Ashkelon about 5 miles (8 km) from its launch point. Attacks using the improved Qassam 3 had succeeded in reaching the central part of Ashkelon by July 2006. The Qassam attacks have generally done very little damage and killed or injured just a handful of people since most of the rockets fall harmlessly in open areas.

Only 11 to 15 lbs of explosives, Bottle rocket right? Again being a poor shot does not make these animals any nicer.

Although crude and inaccurate with a small payload and short range, the Qassam rockets have still caused significant concern in Israel because they are so difficult to protect against. Israel has acquired a defense system called Red Dawn that features a radar to detect the rockets at launch and sets off loudspeakers advising people in nearby towns to take cover. The system gives about 20 seconds of warning before the rocket strikes. It has also been reported that Israel will purchase a system from Switzerland called Skyshield to help prevent Qassam strikes. Skyshield is a rapid-fire anti-aircraft defense system designed to shoot down the rockets before they can reach civilian populations.

How dare the Israelis warn their citizens and shoot down some of these "peaceful Pail's" rockets.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #169 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:12:21 PM »

Those rockets are carrying some type of pay load for sure. Watch the video. Dale

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=748_1231058146

billy_56081 · « **Reply #170 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:22:40 PM »

Garsh Dale how dare them Israelis go into those bunkers so they rockets don't harm them. I spose now the propagandists will say that house fell apart because the Jews that built it were too cheep to use quality materials.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #171 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:24:10 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 05, 2009, 03:22:40 PM

Garsh Dale how dare them Israelis go into those bunkers so they rockets don't harm them. I spose now the propagandists will say that house fell apart because the Jews that built it were too cheep to use quality materials.

Dale

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #172 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:34:59 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on January 05, 2009, 03:32:01 PM

Quote from: DALESCARPENTRY on January 05, 2009, 03:12:21 PM
Those rockets are carrying some type of pay load for sure. Watch the video. Dale

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=748_1231058146
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Most of the rockets do not carry payload as per Israeli authorities. Shorter range rockets do. As Billie said in his report (good job Billie!) the damage is minimal and more psychological.

This all adds up to very pale compared to the IDF's sophicticated weapons used in Gaza. Further the rockets were not employed until the truce was broken by Israeli undertaking there new "equation" for the region and blockade; meaning hegemony. Finally, many intell experts are suspect about the origins and launches of the rockets as to who is actually doing it..

BTW Dale,,,earlier in this thread you mentioned you were going to review the Children radiation Ringworm video and report back to us your findings.....so what did you find out? Care to share that ..?

..TM7

No one was seeding the video so I was not able to download it. Dale

billy_56081 · « **Reply #173 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:54:30 PM »

The propaganda is getting weak. Old TeleMagick sure can talk around a subjects, and then try to change it when information starts showing up that shows the lies in the propaganda. The third Reich woulda had a job for you TeleMagick.

Them mean old Jews, they run and hide in bunkers when the nice peaceful Pali's shoot rockets at them. It sure is mean of them darn Jews to not stand there and make an easy target for them.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #174 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:58:57 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on January 05, 2009, 03:54:07 PM

Oh..OK...I see,,, guess maybe its been 'expunged' from the net for some reason.............

Maybe I can find the feed for you...

..TM7

If you could I would download it and watch it. I normally download bittorents. If it is out there that is where it would be and there was no one seeding it. If you find it let me know. Dale

beerbelly · « **Reply #175 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:18:14 PM »

Let us see? The Israelis Are only defending them self’s from those bad old terrorist Arabs. Well the Israelis taught the Arabs how to be terrorist, because they were the first terrorist there. The man that would become Israel’s first leader ( Mencken Began) The spelling is likely wrong , Blew up the King David hotel, killing scores of Englishmen. Why? Because the English were shooting rockets or anything else at them? NO! because they were in the way of the Zionist from taking over the region! This was not the only case, they bombed many, many, of the English. Who were at that time in charge of what was the area of Palestine. The English were there to enforce the law. So that the Jews could not just take the land by force. So they killed them!!
I am sure that some of you will find an excuse for the bombing of the English, as well as the assault on the USS Liberty and murder of 118 U S Navy men. I can not!!
The Question is what do we do now? There is only one thing we can now do. We wipe out Islam or Islam will wipe us out! There is no compromise. But while we are at it we should wipe out Israel along with the Islamist for they started this mess in this century.
Beerbelly

powderman · « **Reply #176 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:23:32 PM »

I reckon the brits were kicked out for the same reason that we did, they didn't belong there, wasn't their country. POWDERMAN.

beerbelly · « **Reply #177 on:** January 06, 2009, 01:53:56 AM »

It did not belong to the Israelis eather. At that time it was called Palestine.
Beerbelly

ironglow · « **Reply #178 on:** January 06, 2009, 04:38:57 AM »

So, Gaza can't manufacture the sophisticated components for rockets! That helps to prove Israel's contention that they nutcases in Gaza are being encouraged, supplied and supported by Iran.

So some of the rockets were without a warhead and some were armed with a shrapnel loaded warhead! A 10' piece of sewer pipe falling from 5,000 ft can do much damage, say nothing about a semtec/ball bearing loaded one.
I can visualize some kind of terrorists based in Niagara Falls, Canada firing various missles over the falls to Niagara Falls, NY..Do you think the US would mind such an activity? Suppose Canadian authorities explained that such missles were "only old, WW1 stuff and even a few old cannon balls left over from the Revolutionary war"..would that make any difference? The ordnance, no matter how old or ineffective, still kills people and destroys property. Likely we would give the govt there a certain amount of time to stop the missle launching terrorists, or suffer the consequences..and I bet we wouldn't wait 6 years to do so!
Fortunately, our neighbor Canada is a CIVILIZED country and would never allow such terrorist activities from their soil.

eod20 · « **Reply #179 on:** January 06, 2009, 06:57:44 AM »

i give 2 craps at this point who started anything TODAY Israel is a sovereign nation and the towel heads are attacking it wipe them out PERIOD. all this pissing about for who started what 2000 years ago is pointless

from my point of view i do not care if it is bottle rockets with or without warheads or if they have nukes on them as a police officer if a criminal shots at me i can not shot back if he does not actually hit me first with a fatal shot that seems to be the logic from some here i say we butt out it is not our country or our problem yet Israel is our ally and a sovereign nation with the right to defend it self we should let her defend herself and get her back while she does it