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Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« on: January 02, 2009, 02:41:18 AM »
Just spent 4 months living mostly "wild". Have been from Key West, Florida to Seattle, Washington and back again. Camping. Tried living as wild as possible. Hunting and fishing for food. Have eaten lots of game and fish.
What I learned:
1. If you do this legally, hunting/fishing/trapping licenses will cost you a fortune as an out-of-state person. I did it legally.
2. Starting fires ain't as easy as it looks on TV. Still haven't been able to start a campfire just rubbing two sticks together, though I did get pretty good with a flint and steel. If you don't really need a fire, they seem to just majically start with little effort. If you really need a fire, it feels like you couldn't start one with a blow torch and a gallon of gas.
3. Hunger is a constant companion in some areas. In the Gila mountains of southern NM, there was dern little to kill and eat except for various rodents. Gets real tiring real quick eating ground squirrel three meals a day.
4. Where you are makes a world of difference. Along the Gulf Coast, I lived like a king. Fresh fish daily, warm days and cool nights. In Central Oregon, I would have frozen/starved to death if it weren't for the local WalMart.
5. If you think you will ever need to "live wild", PRACTICE. Get out, in the area you plan on living, and exist for days at a time on just what you kill/catch/forage. It can be an eye opener. I discovered I wasn't a fraction of the mountain man that I thought I was.

Most important thing, sitting on your couch and watching "Survivor Man" and "Man Against Wild" will only get you dead if you really have to survive wild. Only way to learn is to do. I have been hunting/fishing/camping for 45 years, and I found that I had not nearly enough skills to really live wild.

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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 04:36:54 AM »
So does this mean the planned year long venture got cut short to only the four months? I'm sure I'd have gotten tired of it long before that.


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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 04:40:15 AM »
So does this mean the planned year long venture got cut short to only the four months? I'm sure I'd have gotten tired of it long before that.

Trip was cut short by a heart attack and two different bouts of pneumonia, and the resulting $ spent on health care. I loved every minute of it, and would live as a vagabond camper if I had my druthers.

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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 05:03:59 AM »
Hope you are ok now.  I would like to hear detailed stories of how you lived in each area.  What you ate, how you camped.  How you trapped and foraged.  What vegetation you might have eaten.  You could write a book, get it published, and make a little money.

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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 05:51:17 AM »
Sounds like a good experience.

I met a survival expert who showed me first hand how to make a fire with sticks. The key is the wood selection and it has to be seasoned. You will almost never be able to find on the spot wood that can do this. Indians used to carry this as part of their supplies the way a traper carried flint/steel, so that is why it was so proficient.

Try a square piece of cedar from your local hardware store (about 7 x 7 cut from a 1x8) and either a mullen plant stalk (native in north east) or a willow branch for the drill shaft. I have been able to get one going using this and a bow, but not by hand. You need serious calluses to do it by hand. The guy I met did i in abou 20 seconds bare handed.

I have toyed with this, but mainly rely on matches when out in the woods. I carry a flint/steel, lighter and bow drill as well.

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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 06:42:48 AM »
tn_junk, that was a very interesting post about a little of your experiences on living wild or living off the land. I sure wish that you tell us some more of your experiences that you encountered along the way. A little about each region that you traveled would be nice to read. I hope that you have recovered from the heart attack. Did you know what was happening when it occurred? And did you have a small bottle of aspirin with you for such happenings as that? I always keep a small bottle of baby aspirin in my hunting pack after my doctor recommended that I do so just in case. Tell us some more of your journey.  ;D
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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:48 AM »
Hope you are ok now.  I would like to hear detailed stories of how you lived in each area.  What you ate, how you camped.  How you trapped and foraged.  What vegetation you might have eaten.  You could write a book, get it published, and make a little money.

I am thinking about writing a little bit about it. Problem is nothing really exciting, unless you call heart attack and pneumonia exciting, happened.
I'll put something together in the next few weeks.
Appreciate the interest.

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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2009, 03:45:11 AM »
Put me in line for a copy
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2009, 09:38:49 AM »
I would also like to read of your experiences. Maybe you could type it up in Word format and then upload it, that way we could all get it. Sounds very interesting.....

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2009, 11:52:48 AM »
I would surely take time to read your memoirs

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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2009, 08:28:58 PM »
Your right about the Gila wilderness , if all you are doing is trapping food.
Ive lived here for years and have hunted most all of it.
A back Pack Bow or a 22lr makes a real big difference.
But you were traveling across State lines so we all know how in some places a rifle could get you in trouble.
Ive eaten Rattle Snake ,Mule Deer , Quail , Rabbits ,and Stock Tanks are full of Fish as well as the Pecos River.
The Apachie lived off this land just fine , they make a bread out of Mesquite Beans ,Big fat juicy grubs are to found under rocks.
But it is one of the most inhospitable Climates in the world.
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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2009, 12:37:25 PM »
I wish I could talk my younger brother into posting his exploits on here but can't interest him in the internet.

He lived in the swamps of Florida hiding out for either 12 or 14 years. The first two years he lived in a pup tent and then the rest of the time in a small travel trailer. He tended a garden and hunted and fished for food. He trapped turtles and trotlined for catfish and sold what he could for the little cash he made during those years. It was some pretty tough living to say the least. At least tho he didn't have cold weather to worry about.


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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2009, 01:26:45 PM »
If ever push becomes to SHOVE, there wil be a lot of folks( myself included) that will not go far or last long in living off the land. I would do better in living off the sea, but only slightly better if it was on a warm ocean.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 05:22:12 PM »
Even though I am a former soldier, hunter, fisherman, mechanic, jack of all trades master of a few. college grad and reasonably fit and just a great guy.. I could probaly do well or at least comfortable/maybe. even in the extremes of the state of Maine> There is one big problem. If by myself or just a few would probaly work. But.I would give shelter to all with a good heart(faith has its burdens). This burden might be impossible to bear. how do you teach the civilized how to hunt and fish etc/ when there just isn't time. I would say about 80% of the country would have no clue what to do if the supermarket was closed or they suddenly had no money and no food stamps. the next 15 percent. Has been camping, fished some and maybe been deer hunting with uncle Ben! They are somewhat  useful. I would say only 5 percent, have a chance to surive and lead others to. About 10 years ago. I went to south Carlonia to my sisters Graduation from Guilford College, A Quaker College(Boy are we diffrent) Any ways. I met a guy on the Greyhound( I would recomend hitch hiking) it is probaly safer! Any ways. He had a back pack, New boots and all the gear for a hiking trip. I know as I have hiked much of the Appalacian trail. Well some anyways. We spoke for a while. Soon we got around to food. I asked him what he was bringing. he stated he was going to live off the land."You will die my friend!" he had no idea how much food is required to hike a day. The reality of surival with out the support of industralized farming etc, is difficuilt to imagine.















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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 01:22:12 PM »
Daryl,

   With no offense intended, I must say that I am a little surprised by a few of your comments.  You mention that survival or life without industrial farming is hard to imagine.  My question is, why?   Industrial farming only began about 120 years ago.  For the 6,000 years of agriculture before that, small-scale subsistence farming was the absolute norm.  Indeed, if you go into the most rural areas of the deep south today (Mississippi, West Tennessee, Arkansas), and talk to folks in their 70s and 80s, the vast majority of them will tell you that they grew up on very small farms, where they grew virtually all of their own food.  In fact, Thomas Jefferson's vision for the entire country was that it would be a nation of small yeomen farmers.

   The other interesting point is the emphasis on hunting.  I hear this from lots of folks.  But, people seem to forget that with 300 million hungry people in the country, and more than half of all homes having a rifle or shotgun, the large game is simply not going to last long.  It will be shot to the brink of extinction in a matter of months.  In fact, so many deer were shot in Tennessee between 1900 and 1950, that there were almost no deer left in the entire state.  The hunting season was closed down for years.  The deer herd was only revived by buying a few hundred deer from the state of Alabama, and releasing them in northwest Tennessee, and in Hardeman County, Tennessee, in the 1950s,  where they were protected for years and years.  After more than a decade, there was finally a huntable population of deer again in Tennessee.

   The same will sadly be true of small edible game.  Thousands of people will be wandering through your woods and fields with .22 rifles and shotguns, shooting anything that moves.

   So, it would appear to me that the concept that folks will live a simple rural life of hunting and fishing is somewhat doubtful.

   Growing food in small agricultural plots, even gardens, is much easier, and far more productive.  A small family with just a modest size garden can produce far more food than it can eat.  Having a sow hog in a pen, that produces 20 or 30 piglets a year, and having two dozen chickens and six goats, willl take care of the meat and eggs. This is how the majority of Americans lived up until the 1880s, and how large numbers of them lived well into the 1950s.

   You will not need more hunting and fishing equipment.  You will need chicken wire, small animal wire, barbed wire, nails, wire staples, a grain grinder, lots of salt, and lots of vegetable and grain seed.  And, oh yea, a good hand scythe, for use in cutting a grain crop.  :-)

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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 05:46:14 PM »
Manny, I got to agree 100% !!! The hardest thing about farming in such a situation would be keeping everything from being stolen. Lets cross our fingers and hope society never collapses, but in the mean time lets be ready and educate our children how to survive and stress to them that they need to teach their children, because its bound to happen.    Dave

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 06:14:20 PM »
"Along the Gulf Coast, I lived like a king. Fresh fish daily, warm days and cool nights."


The gulf coast! Let me tell you about the gulf coast,  :o  I have lived here all my life(Southeast Texas) my home town was just completely flooded by IKE.  >:(  I have the most respect for the folk that settled this part of the country. Yea there is plenty to eat but there is plenty that will eat you also. The temps in the summer are extreme and the deer flys and mosquitoes will eat you alive! I really do not understand why anyone stayed here before screens and A/C(my family did not get A/C until the mid 60's.

If i have to survive I'm headed to high country I can always dress warm! No wonder the Karankawas were canables they were driven mad by the mosquitoes and the heat!

Well now I'm glad i got that off my chest  ;D
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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2009, 03:45:00 AM »
The gulf coast! Let me tell you about the gulf coast,  :o  I have lived here all my life(Southeast Texas) my home town was just completely flooded by IKE.  >:(  I have the most respect for the folk that settled this part of the country. Yea there is plenty to eat but there is plenty that will eat you also. The temps in the summer are extreme and the deer flys and mosquitoes will eat you alive! I really do not understand why anyone stayed here before screens and A/C(my family did not get A/C until the mid 60's.

If i have to survive I'm headed to high country I can always dress warm! No wonder the Karankawas were canables they were driven mad by the mosquitoes and the heat!

Well now I'm glad i got that off my chest  ;D

I grew up on the coast also, Florida panhandle. Moved away as a teenager and just moved back. Never had A/C while living here.
You are right about everything. If it flies it stings and if it crawls it bites. Fire ants. Gators. Rattlers as big around as my arm. Skeeters that can stand flat footed and look a turkey in the eye.
But I can grow some kind of food year 'round, and the swamps are full of eatable plants. There are various and assorted critters running around everywhere that can be eaten.
Most important; I know the area. I understand what it takes to make it here. I found that up in the mountains, I didn't have a clue as to how to survive. Didn't understand the flora/fauna. Got really tired of eating various and assorted rodents.
I found that in my long term survival, a THOROUGH knowledge of the area is important. I know I could make it here, in my little swamp. Somewhere else, I probably wouldn't make it a month.

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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2009, 05:41:17 AM »
ALAN, you are absolutely right! I can start feeding my family today if I need to. We live on the Neches river and keep chickens and grow our own vegetables.
My concern is that I'm not sure that i can stand the heat and mosquitoes in my old age. It sometimes stays over 75 here all night with 90 % humidity. After Rita I used the generator to make us a cool place to sleep and after Ike I had more gasoline so i could keep the  refrigerators cold longer. I guess we will do what we have to but the moutains sound good right now!  ;)
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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2009, 11:34:18 AM »
Manny, I got to agree 100% !!! The hardest thing about farming in such a situation would be keeping everything from being stolen. Lets cross our fingers and hope society never collapses, but in the mean time lets be ready and educate our children how to survive and stress to them that they need to teach their children, because its bound to happen.    Dave

Dave, if you have a place that is sort of secluded, you can fix it very easy to keep your things from being stolen. Pile brush, logs and debris of that sort around the perimeter and let briers and overgrowth take that over. It makes for a cheap way of putting your place fenced in the natural way. Most people are not gonna go to a lot of trouble getting through it.The only area you would have to watch is the driveway that is open. My place has only one way in and that's the only way out. I like it that way and nobody knows when I'm home or gone as my driveway is long enough that my house can't be seen from the road. I have a couple of dogs to warn me when anyone drives down the driveway. It's very secluded and we feel safe and secure.

BTW, I have really enjoyed all the tips that everyone has been contributing to this topic....keep them coming.
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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2009, 01:33:12 PM »
 

   A few good books on subsistence farming/living are the original Foxfire 1 and Foxfire 2 books (wildly popular in the 1960s during the back to earth movement), and a small book called "How to Make a Living on 5 Acres."  All of these are still around in paperback, but you've go to look for them.

   As these books will show, living a subsistence life is pretty gross and filthy, compared to modern clean living.


  Again, practically half the things you've got to do involve having lots and lots of salt!

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2009, 02:19:09 PM »
Without industrialised farming if there is a societal collapse starvation will be on a massive scale. There are 300 million people in the Country at this time. Once the stored amount of food is gone, game and anything that wiggles will be eaten up in a few weeks. I would predict cannibalism in a month or two. Hopefully if our society does colapse completely, about 99.9% of the population goes at the same time.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2009, 03:23:11 PM »
yep living wild and free will give you a whole new respect for your ancestors.Wife gets on a kick to make one of them wagon train trips they put on in the summers and i have to remind her that she cant go to the bathroom behind a bush. Billy is right on this one they wont be a critter left in 2 weeks except homo sapeins
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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2009, 03:28:30 PM »
I used to go out for 2 - 4 weeks at a time as a teenager.  What I missed most?  Toilet paper and salt.  Anytime now I go into the bush I have plenty of both.
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2009, 01:08:19 AM »
I think the further away from cities you can get, the better chance of survival you have.  If there is a complete collapse of either the economic system, or a limited nuclear war.  People in cities, once they run out of food will begin to steal from each other, then start drifting into the country side.  Gas will probably start running out, food, fresh water, people will begin to kill each other for things, total breakdown.  If you are way out in the country with a homestead or something, you have a better chance of survival.  Disease and murder will probably kill about half of them within 3 months.  Within 6 months, probably only 90% of the people will be left.  If you can hold off for 6 months or a year, you may can survive if you know your neighbors, and can form groups to protect each other.  I think most people in cities will hunker down for a while until they need food or water.  Marshal law will prevail, they may try to get trucking going, etc.  If people were trained to prepare, have food in storage, and could defend themselves, there might be more civility to improve things, but the way people are now, they will panic, form gangs or mobs to get what they want. 

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2009, 02:40:45 AM »
I used to think that going it alone was the best survival tactic. I now believe that one's best hope is in a very small community made up of a few like minded individuals, in a very secluded location. Society formed into communities for a reason. We were able to support each other and combine our skills and talents in a much more productive way.
Honestly, if there is a SHTF moment that eliminates 90% of the world population and destroys all infrastructure, I think that we (humans) would eventually rebound and prosper. Sometimes it takes a very hot fire to temper the steel.

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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2009, 02:44:38 AM »
I used to go out for 2 - 4 weeks at a time as a teenager.  What I missed most?  Toilet paper and salt.  Anytime now I go into the bush I have plenty of both.

Yep.
I did a 4 day "aboriginal" stint in the Gila mountains. Just me, my knife, and a poncho. Danged near starved to death and froze to death. And my back side was near raw from using grass to take care of essential issues.

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2009, 01:06:11 PM »
I used to go out for 2 - 4 weeks at a time as a teenager.  What I missed most?  Toilet paper and salt.  Anytime now I go into the bush I have plenty of both.

Yep.
I did a 4 day "aboriginal" stint in the Gila mountains. Just me, my knife, and a poncho. Danged near starved to death and froze to death. And my back side was near raw from using grass to take care of essential issues.

alan

Alan are you sure you didn't use what I pointed out was great toilet paper to an acquaintance in my youth? We referred to it by the slang name of itch weed, I think the proper term is stinging nettles. That boy chased me half way up Saltado mesa in Colorado, I'm really glad I was pretty slim used to the altitude and in great shape then, I think he would have killed me if he could have caught me before we got back to camp. That old boy was madder than the proverbial wet hornet. :D :D :D
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2009, 06:35:26 AM »


   If you live in a semi-rural area, and any rational thinking stills exists after a collapse, then the best thing for folks to do would be to go immediately (under a white flag), and visit the larger farmers (100 acres or more), and rationally convince them that going it alone, the farmers will have no chance whatsoever to defend and hang onto all of their land, livestock and crops.  They would be much better off marking their land off into 5 to 10 acre tracts, and renting them out to single families, who could engage in subsistence farming upon them.  Since money would be worthless, the rent to be paid to the owner would not be cash, but would instead be a set of duties and obligations.  These would include (i) an annual percentage of the food and livestock raised on the rented land, (ii) working one day per month for free on the farmer's personal land, and (iii) mustering out on demand all males in the family over age 17 to provide for the common defense of the whole farm.   

   Once 20 or 30 of these small subsistence tracts got going, side by side, it would naturally follow very quickly that someone with rudimentary blacksmith skills will open a small shop on the site, as will a "doctor", a butcher, a tanner, and a woodcutter. And, in a small open area, a common market and barter center will spring into existence for weekly trading.  And, of course, there would be a large pasture set aside for common grazing of everyone's livestock, in other words a "Common." 

    Sound silly?  Its not.  This system worked quite well throughout Europe and England for a thousand years, from the time of the Fall of the Roman Empire until the late Renaissance. 


   And yes, sooner or later, some bigshot warlord, through hook or crook, would probably conquer 4 or five of these large farms, call them a Barony, and appoint himself as a Baron.  Then, everyone on all of the tracts, including the original farmers, would all owe him  a percentage of food, and duties, as well.  But, this would create a large economic unit, and a substantial military force.   And, he could then lay down some laws, for the common good, and hear disputes, and soon we would have a Western Civilization again.

   Historically, this form of feudalsim has worked a whole lot better than a Commune system.  Communes always fail because nobody really owns anything, and everything that is produced is turned in and then divided up according to people's "needs" and not their production.  No thanks.

  The trick would be to visit big farmers and organize this at the very outset of the problem, instead of waiting until everyone is starving and murdering.

  Just my thoughts.

Mannyrock



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Re: Tried Wild Living- Tougher than you think
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2009, 07:15:07 AM »
Interesting post Mannyrock!

  The trick would be to visit big farmers and organize this at the very outset of the problem, instead of waiting until everyone is starving and murdering

It would make sense to try finding like minded individuals now, rather than waiting for a SHTF situation and attempting to negotiate under those conditions. Then you could at least have a rough plan in place rather than attempting to work things out under duress.
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