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Offline flintman

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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2009, 01:01:23 AM »
 Neighbors here know that aggressive breeds are in danger of disappearing...
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2009, 03:50:02 AM »
Double row primary chain from a '66 Harley does a wonderful job of changing a dog with a bad atitude, into one that  Found that out about 30 years ago. gypsyman
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2009, 03:53:05 AM »
into one that has a little nicer disposition.(sorry, hit the post icon before finishing that last sentence)  gypsyman
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2009, 06:00:10 AM »
Billy-
I live in a northern suburb of Minneapolis.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2009, 06:50:36 AM »
Dee did the right thing in letting his neighbors know what would happen in the event that their dog did get out.  A responsible owner (s) shouldn't need to be told the consequences of what happens when if a dog gets onto someone else's property.

My dad had a 1/2 yellow lab 1/2 chow mix once.  It ran off of our farm one day, and a short time later our neighbor called saying the dog growled at her.  My dad told me to go and get our dog.  When I got down to our neighbors, i found out that the stray dogs that had been coming down to our house were my neighbors, they were female and in heat.  Our dog had followed them back.  I told the neighbor lady we were sorry and it wouldn't happen again.  When I got the dog back home, my dad promptly took it into the woods and shot the dog on the grounds that it growled at our neighbor.

When I was a small boy, our druggy neighbors owned a pit bull that delighted in chasing me and my friend.  I was scared to death of that dog.  Came home one day and the dog was tied up on a short leash on their back porch.  It saw me and jumped to chase me.  Hung itself.  I watched and told nobody.  Never felt sorry for letting that animal suffer...

I have in turned killed my fair share of pit bulls and other "feral" dogs.  I hate to shoot a dog, but sometimes you haven't a choice...
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2009, 09:04:28 AM »
Dee , don't make much difference the breed . A bad dog is a bad dog !
You did better than most ( giving a warning ), where i live if the dog caused a problem or looked like it might cause one it would disappear . In Va. its a felony to kill a dog or cat . Unless its self defense and then it better have powder burns if you shoot it and tell someone .
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2009, 11:28:40 AM »
my favorite breed is a rott.   but as said, it is the owner plays is a huge role and has alot of responsibilty.   

   neighbors had dogs that used to chase my brother as a kid, one day afterwards dad called and they laughed at him.  he jumped on the bicycle and pedaled by. when the dogs came out, so did the 44-40.  5 for 5.  the old man was good.   
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2009, 05:12:32 AM »
Just read where a pit bull attacked a man and his wife walking there Husky. Trouble is, the man was ex Marine. Went into a neighbors house and grabbed a knife and stabbed the pit bull to death. Wasn't as tough as he thought he was. Teach him to screw around with a Marine.  gypsyman
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2009, 07:12:57 AM »
Quote from: gypsyman on January 08, 2009, 05:12:32 AM
Trouble is, the man was ex Marine [and]...stabbed the pit bull to death...Teach him to screw around with a Marine.

YA!! HELL YA!!! That bonehead dog was lucky that Marine didn't eat him breakfast before he stabbed him to death. :D
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2009, 09:09:26 AM »
I feel bad for the pit bull as breed. Its not their fault they are the way they are. These are dogs that are bred to have a pre-disposition to aggressive behavior.  Because of this, they do not make good family pets.  I cannot understand why they are so popular in recent years.
But even feeling bad for them won't cause me to hesitate to draw a bead on one if it is around me being aggressive.

In regards to the original post...
If your neighbors were offended then tough.  It doesn't sound like you were rude about it.
I would appreciate some being foward about their view of my dog getting loose and roaming their land.
I guess where I grew up it was just understood that my dog should stay on my place, and your's should stay on your place.
Dogs would usually be warned with a 12 gauge shell loaded up with rock salt.  if they kept coming by, the next one would NOT be rock salt.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2009, 09:17:02 AM »
   It seems to me they are an accident waiting to happen.    Pit bulls that is.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2009, 12:48:42 PM »
Quote from: Savage .250 on January 08, 2009, 09:17:02 AM
   It seems to me they are an accident waiting to happen.    Pit bulls that is.

Now that in a sense is a true statement, however, obtaining the pit is not an accident. As was said, the pit is it's own victim perpetrated by breeding. They cannot help being what they are, and any idiot that brings them into a neighborhood that has children and small pets is asking to get it killed.
I have a gentleman a block north of me that has a bullmastiff. He let the dog out EVERY NIGHT, until I went and visited him. I advised him and the police that his dog fell into the same category as pits and rotties. They all three are a dangerous breed, and will not be counseled on my property, but instead sentenced. I haven't seen the dog sense, and hope I don't.
About ten years ago shortly after I had retired and moved back home, my wife, and 11 year old son were riding bikes in the country (you don't have to ride far from my house to be in the country). My wife and son were ahead when we went past a dope dealer's house, I knew from high school. Out came his early warning system to the road, and they surrounded my wife and son, causing my son to fall. Six ChowChows. When I got there, the doper was standing at his fence yelling at his dogs whom were ignoring him.
I told him to come and get them or I would kill them. He stood there, and I introduced him and them to a Glock 23. He came and got his dogs, and I told him " first and last warning".
I have no problem with a dog guarding his property. My brother in laws Healer nipped me several years ago in his back yard. He was going to punish or kill the dog. I told him not to. I was the one trespassing.
If someone shoots my Jack Russell in their yard, I won't like it, but I won't blame them. He is a turd, and will not back down. That's why I have him. We are alike me, and Huff. ;)
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2009, 03:48:22 PM »
There was once a time when people assumed responsibility for their pets.....and their children.  I came from that time.  I miss it.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2009, 04:17:23 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on January 08, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
There was once a time when people assumed responsibility for their pets.....and their children.  I came from that time.  I miss it.

Yep.  I was thinking that very same thought today.  And I miss it too.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2009, 05:00:49 PM »
Quote from: Cement Man on January 08, 2009, 04:17:23 PM
Quote from: mechanic on January 08, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
There was once a time when people assumed responsibility for their pets.....and their children.  I came from that time.  I miss it.

Yep.  I was thinking that very same thought today.  And I miss it too.

Very true, when I was young the neighbor dog came over and killed a bunch of our chickens. When my dad in formed our neighbor that his dog had done this he stepped in the house grabbed the rifle, shotthe dog and asked my dad what he owed him. That is responsibility.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2009, 03:46:08 PM »
 When I was about 16 or 17,my coon dog killed a bunch of the neighbors poultry.After I parted ways with the dog I worked out the value of the poultry-had to shovel manure on the farm.I haven't owned another coon dog since,although I used to love to go coon hunting with my brothers.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #76 on: January 12, 2009, 02:36:32 AM »
come on guys , its not the dogs fault ! either it had a bad time as a puppy or was treated wrong as a dog .
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2009, 03:55:28 AM »
A few years ago I changed homeowners insurance carriers and was mildly surprised at how many questions were related to - if I owned a dog, and what breed it was.  I think that owning certain breeds would have made a difference on my eligibility for the insurance.

This morning's paper had another tragic story -
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/01/fire-officials-boy-dies-after-attacked-by-dogs.html

Years ago our neighbors had two small dogs - I believe one was a small beagle and the other was something else - about 20# or so like a mini-schnazer or something similar.  They went to Poland, adopted a baby, and about a year later when the kid was about 18 mos. old, the dogs horribly tore up that child's face.  Dogs were euthanized, kid had many surgeries afterward.  Dogs always seemed mild mannered prior to this incident. 

Next door neighbors'  grandchild  (about 1 or 2 years old) got a piece of lip bit off by a seemingly friendly Lab - lying on the couch when the toddler climbed up and approached it.  Dog "snapped" at the child.  Child faces a "lifetime" of surgery because they cannot fix the lip completely until maturity.

Over 40 years ago a buddy of mine and I walked up to see a whole pack of feral/farm dogs tearing his 6 year old brother to pieces.  Lucky we did - and saved the kid.  An old widow lady owned that old remnant of a farm and just threw food out the door for them - never really took care of them otherwise.  Could have been a funeral that time.

As a former newspaper boy and firefighter/emt I have lots of stories about dogs "that won't bite".

I am a dog owner and a dog lover but I always watched my dogs like a hawk when the grandkids were around.  I never had a mean dog - never will, but I still watch what's going on.  Dogs are dogs.  I don't believe all pit bulls or rottweilers are bad - just too capable.
If you own a dog - any dog, you have to be responsible for it and be realistic about the potential harm it can do.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2009, 02:29:33 AM »
Just remembered something we used to do as kids. While riding our bicycles, if we were chased by a dog, we would shoot him with a squirtgun  -full of ammonia. Couldn't carry it in a pocket, though.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #79 on: January 14, 2009, 03:57:48 AM »
If my neighbor wants to own a pitbull, doby, rotty or whatever that is his or her right. If that animal steps onto my property then it is my right to do what I feel is necessary to protect my family and I don't care if the owner thinks it is a threat or not. With that said, I would not say anything to the neighbor about it because if anything happens to the dog I don't want the owner to know I had to take care of it. If I am asked about the poor lost dog my reply would be " I haven't seen it but I'll call you if I do". ;D ;D ;D
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2009, 06:02:35 AM »
I used to have a yellow lab that I took for evening walks in our town.   She couldn't move too fast because of increasing arthritis in her hips but she loved going out for the walk.   There was a smallish 35-40 pit that used to terrorize the neighborhood, usually chasing kids and killing cats, but this time this devil dog came charging for my lab.   I stepped in front of my lab and let go with a 2 second burst of BearSpray (magnum size pepper spray).    the pit balled up and started rubbing his face on the dirt then started running around blind.   

His owner came out and started yelling at me for "hurting" his dog.   I told him that if the dog ever charged me or my dog again it would get much worse.   I told him I know that animal control had been called several times already and they did nothing.  I assured him that I would.   

Never saw the pit again. 
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2009, 08:16:31 AM »
Dee, I think you done it right. Forewarned is forearmed. It is totally about responsibility, a commodity in short supply I've noticed as I've gotten older. Seems I've nearly always been delivering something door-to-door. Got my paper route at 8 and my first dog lesson the next day. My Dad handled a dog that I couldn't get past to deliver the paper and though I never forgot it, I never quite got the method down pat. Though I cuold handle that dog, I was always a might timid when the next dog came along. None ever drew blood, just scared the devil out of me. The one that gets you is the little dog that 'never bites'. This happened to be a Shelty, about 20 lbs. Pretty little thing and I had known her for several years. Her owner was an AVON rep and I was delivering for UPS then. I waved at "mom" in the garden as I stepped onto the porch to deliver her order. As I left, the Shelty came out from under the porch and grabbed my ankle, but didn't get through my Wellington boots. The Shelty caught the corner of my clipboard in an automatic reaction and ki-yied off back under the porch. "mom" was very apologetic and so was I; but that dog never got or took a second chance at me. It stayed away when I made my delivery every two weeks. I've owned dogs most of my life, mostly hunting breeds, but a few mongrels. Their nature shows before they are very old, and if their nature is not compatible with our lifestyle, we take steps to correct their nature or we find them a home more suitable for their nature; or we put them down.
Life is too precious to be controlled by an animal or threatened by the presence of an animal. When my oldest girl was still in diapers, we would put her in a swing in the backyard. My retreiver/setter mix at 110 lbs would stand guard by her. So would my two English Springer Spaniels at about 35 lbs each. "Until" another dog roamed into the yard. Those two Spaniels would take off after that intruder and chase it completly out of the neighborhood. On the other hand, that retreiver would simply position himself between the intruder and our daughter right at the swingset; never upsetting our daughter, never leaving her, and never letting any harm come to her. (That retreiver was there long after those Spaniels had found new homes.)
He was the same way with people that he didn't know. He would maintain the barrier until we arrived on the scene. The one acre yard wasn't fenced, and I never found out that he ever left it. He was big and quiet and got it done. Kinda reminded me of John Wayne! To own a dog is a priviledge, not a right. It takes responsibility to maintain that priviledge.

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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2009, 09:16:05 AM »
When I was in college, I would go bicycling to get some exercise and to enjoy the area where I went to school.  There was one long hill, and by the time I got to the top, I did not have a lot left.  At the crest of the hill there was a house with a large dog.  He would come to the edge of the property and walk alongside as I rode past, never stepping out of the yard.  At the corner, he would turn and go back to the house.  I always respected the ability of whoever lived there.  They knew how to train a dog. Sadly, and after being the subject of many dog chases (and one pony). it was an all too rare talent.
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #83 on: January 14, 2009, 09:52:19 AM »
Unfortunately, the law here in Virginia has swung to the rediculous, and the increased number of people "releasing" their dogs on our rural roads, has come at the same time.  I agree with the "shoot, shovel and shut-up" philosophy, but instead of a shovel I use a compact tractor with a backhoe and front end loader.  I sure wish that the price of diesel fuel would go down!
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #84 on: January 14, 2009, 11:05:53 AM »
My father in law retired from his regular job and ran a paper route for spending money.  At one house, he had not rec'd payment, and they were behind.  Unfortunately the yard was guarded by a very large dog, and the dogs barking brought no one to the door.  I went with him one Sat., and when we got to this house, he reached under the seat and pulled out a large can of bear spray that the local gun shop had ordered for him. The folks at the house could not understand why their dog ran under the house yelping and let this man in.   I don't know if the dog defended the house against anyone else after that, but when my father in law would pull up, the dog would go into his house and stay.  Not even a whimper from him. 
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #85 on: January 14, 2009, 11:34:54 AM »
Quote from: mechanic on January 08, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
There was once a time when people assumed responsibility for their pets.....and their children.  I came from that time.  I miss it.

Very well said.  When it comes to bad dogs on my place , endangering my family or livestock Its S.S.S nuff said!
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2009, 02:07:53 PM »
Ya know, out of 85 replies, I don't think any of us disagree on the issue. Is this some sort of record, or just common sense and common ground? ;)
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #87 on: January 15, 2009, 02:10:31 PM »
Gotta be a new record-
What breed of hound is that in your picture?-LOL
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #88 on: January 15, 2009, 02:15:32 PM »
Well. I'm a half breed, or perhaps a mutt, depend on whom is speaking. That which I am sitting on is a pure bred feral hog. And what do you consider yourself to be, may I ask?
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Re: I think I offended my new neighbor?
« Reply #89 on: January 15, 2009, 02:33:49 PM »
Im 75% Finn/25% Swede/100% American. I was askin about the critter you were kneeling over.
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